2011 Mitsubishi 3D DLP Owners Thread (740/840 series) - Page 92

Originally Posted by IrishLord82

I just got my 92840 and am in the process of setting it up (am looking for calibration settings). I have the 92840 hooked-up to my Onkyo 5008 via HDMI and my DirecTv DVR (HR200) connected to the receiver via HDMI. The specs on the Onkyo say it has HDMI 1.4a connectors. When I go to view any of the DirecTV 3D channels I get a message that says my equipment is not compatible. I spoke to "tech" support at DirecTV and they told me I had to connect the DVR directly to the 92840 to see 3D. Does anyone know about this? It doesn't seem logical to me that the DVR signal wouldn't just be passed through the Onkyo to the TV. Does anyone have a similar experience with DirecTV? Thanks.

Originally Posted by jromankvcc

Hi Guys,

I've been reading some posts, and I've been checking several parts of the forums.

I am in the process of upgrading my living room, and the area where the TV is to be positioned is opposite to a wall of windows. I have some blinds and drapes on it, but I'm not sure this suffices.

Let me explain.

Right now, I have a 55LM8600 that is going back to the retailer on Saturday. It has lots of issues such as the remote getting out of sync with the TV, not responding to A/V signals properly, and the worst, the most insane case of light bleeding/clouding I've ever seen. To make things worse, the screen is quite glossy, and not matte like most would assume out of an LED LCD. During the day, I can only watch colorful kids shows. Any regular series or movies are hit with the glare from the lighting and makes watching TV bothersome. After 8PM, when the sun is gone, I still have to turn the lights off in order to have a good picture.

So with a replacement due on Saturday, I'm contemplating returning the replacement and instead going with some other TV. I've had CRT, LCD, LED LCD, and Plasma, but never DLP. My uncle had a monster 65" Mits DLP, the old school square type with the speakers underneath, you know, "gigantic", though with talks of 92" over here, 65" is like a dwarf lol.

So, from my understanding, an LCD/LED with Matte screen would be best in my case, due to the natural and artificial lighting in this room. I recently purchased a 55ST30 which is downstairs, where there is no lighting concern, and TV looks great. I have another 50V10 in the basement, and that looks great too. However, I hear plasmas suffer from glare in lighted conditions.

So with all this crap I just wrote, I've been trying to lure my wife into veering away from the LED LCD path, and move into either a 65ST50 or a Mits DLP. Looking right now at possibly the WD-73840 or WD-82840/WD-82740.

I noticed the 842/742 line is out, too, and I know many people have been inquiring on "what's the difference between the two"? I guess add me to that bunch, too.

But my concern is still the glare. I'm afraid of getting rid of this TV and grabbing a heavier one that will not help with my situation.

There's also very little I know about DLP. Again, all I've heard is "they're bulky and very heavy, they come in bigger sizes for cheaper prices, bulb lasts about 5 years tops and you have to buy a new one (no problem, though, easy peasy), video quality not the best, with washed out image". This may very well be information for much lower and older products.

But I wanted to see if anybody had a take on this. 55LM8600 VS 55ST50 VS 82740/82840. (What's the difference between 740 and 840?) The 82" May be pushing way too much the envelope, but 73" are much cheaper and well within range, so I know my wife has agreed that'd be OK.

So in a bright environment, the 55LM8600 doesn't do well, because of the glossy screen. I hear the 65ST50 has an anti-glare screen that makes the glare almost disappear, but that makes colors not look right. And then, I read here that the 740/840 series have a "glossy instead of the matte screen from last year", which makes me think "uh oh, glare!".

Do you guys have any suggestions, pointers, advice regarding my situation besides "move the Theater to the basement" or "buy better drapes"?

Also, as a curiosity, I have 2 Panasonic Version 2 3D rechargeable glasses for my 55ST30. Would those work on the Mitsubishi DLPs that come with built-in emmitter?

My stand is 73" wide, I think (wife said fits a 80" per original description when we bought it). Wife is confirming measurements, specially the height. Are there issues with PoV? like too far off the center vertically or horizontally the image suffers?

**EDIT: Stand measurements: 72" wide, 20" deep, 24" tall - she also commented "I don't want anything bigger than 60 in here" LOL

Also, these DLPs are pretty massive. I saw the picture someone posted when carrying it in the trailer, and it looked huge. I'm wondering what size of room (or viewing distance) I should have for a 73" and for an 82". My wife was concerned that the TV would be so large that we'd not be able to look at the entire thing without moving our eyes side by side up and down lol. I was going to tell her "don't be silly" but...lol I'm not sure she's wrong! heh.

Any input and and advice would be greatly appreciated.

My other question is if anybody knows where I can find a professional calibrator in the STL Metro area? And like somebody asked previously, what's an average price for the service?

Thank you again and apologies if this question would be best placed in a different location.

Best regards,

J


Edit: To be more precise, the TV would have to be under $2,200. From the looks of it, it'd have to be a 73842, an 82740, a 60ST50, a 65ST30, or the 55LM8600 already in place (in which case I'd just return it and bring the 55ST30 upstairs, and wait for prices to lower, most likely)

Originally Posted by shuddle

I have a 82740 and Direct TV receiver HR24. The Directv receiver is hooked to an Onkyo TX609 with HDMI 1.4 cables. Then out of the Onkyo to the TV with HDMI. I get the 3d channels from Directv with no problems at all

Originally Posted by GEP

So many questions - so little space.

1. Most LED LCD screens are glossy now-a-days. Some CFL LCDs have matte screens but most of the LED versions have glossy screens. The amount of gloss is different with different brands however.

2. DLP TVs really are not "massive". That old type you describe is not a DLP!!, it is a CRT Rear Projection - totally different beast. A 73" DLP weights about 75 lbs. Not much more than most Plasmas or LED LCDs in the size range.

3. DLP TVs are not "washed out". While they are not quite as bright LED LCDs, the DLP can far exceed the brightness specifications for reference monitors and can be seen easily in normally lighted rooms. However keep in mind, NO TV LOOKS IT BEST IN BRIGHT ROOMS. Many people feel DLP picture quality look more like movie theater picture quality than either LCD or Plasma.

4. Some of the Mitsubishi screens are glossy, they call them Clear Contrast and are only in 82 and 92 models.

5. The Mitsubishi web site lists extensive specs and that is the best place to compare units. Yes it is true that is it difficult to compare one mode year to another (740 vs. 742). But they do make it easy to compare steps within the same model year - they show different bullet point style for each category of steps. Dimension information is there and for last year they even have dimension drawings.

Originally Posted by jromankvcc

she also commented "I don't want anything bigger than 60 in here" LOL

Originally Posted by jromankvcc

Also, these DLPs are pretty massive. I saw the picture someone posted when carrying it in the trailer, and it looked huge. I'm wondering what size of room (or viewing distance) I should have for a 73" and for an 82". My wife was concerned that the TV would be so large that we'd not be able to look at the entire thing without moving our eyes side by side up and down lol. I was going to tell her "don't be silly" but...lol I'm not sure she's wrong! heh.

Originally Posted by IrishLord82

I have an HR20-700 DirecTV receiver. I wonder if that is the problem. I'll have to look at the HR24. So far, DirecTV doesn't seem to know the problem or how to fix it. I'm going to quote you in my response to their e-mail. Thanks for the feed back.

Originally Posted by Mounta1n

Is she fine with the couch being only 6.7 feet away from the screen? That's where you would be to have the "Recommended THX viewing distance" with a 60" TV. The "Maximum Viewing Distance for HDTV(Fully resolved 1080i; 1920 x 1080)" so you can even see all of the detail of 1080p is only 7.8 feet with a 60" TV. A lot of people's living rooms are bigger than that, and they like to have the couch all the way against the far wall. If that's the case and it's something like 12 or 15 feet you could save money and just get a 720p set.

I didn't even discuss it with my wife, because I knew she'd bring up all kinds of misinformed preconceptions that would sacrifice viewing performance on the altar of ignorance. (I didn't explain it to her that way ) I also knew I wouldn't be upgrading again for a while, so I wanted to do it right the first time. I went with a 67", which was pretty big for the time, bigger than the largest LCD or plasmas available in 2008. When my wife saw it, she said "OMG, it's so big!" But now she comments on how she doesn't even like to watch TV at other people's houses that just have little 42" or 55" screens (with couches 10' away...) because you can't really see anything.




When you're sitting in the middle of the row at the movie theater about 2/3 of the way back, do you feel like the screen is too big, and you have to move your head around to see everything? No? Then it won't be too big. Use this to match that kind of experience and decide on the optimal size for your desired seating position.

Originally Posted by jromankvcc

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Still hoping somebody has some input on the Picture Quality differences between the 740 and 840 series.

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Originally Posted by shuddle

I think you need a newer model of receiver. If you use the HR20 to get locals, you will need an AM21 to get locals with an HR24.

Originally Posted by lujan


People that have the 840 are going to say that the Clear Contrast Screen is the best and people that have th 82740 (like me) will say that the screen on the 740 is the best. I have had the Diamond series before and never used the features of the Diamond series like the speakers, Perfect Tint, Perfect Color. I even had a TV calibrator to my house and he said he didn't use the Perfect Tint and Perfect Color settings to calibrate the TV. Therefore, the 740 series is perfect for me but that is not to say it's perfect for everyone else.

Originally Posted by jromankvcc


Thank you for your response.

The 82740 it is. It's the most affordable/bang for the buck.

That plus this story, which was a bit funny:

I told my wife we needed to bring one of the plasmas from downstairs back up since we'll be without a tv in the living room. I told her that it'd take a while until the "new" TV arrived. She said "ok, but how much?". "Cheaper than the price of the 55 we are returning" She believed I was looking at the 73". She says "show me the price. Has to be less than $1,800 or nothing". So I went into Amazon, and showed her the 82740, and hid behind the laptop screen. She looks at it, and after a few quiet seconds..."But this is 82 freaking inches!!"

She looks at me for a second, and I said "it fits, it'll look great." Then went on to explain to her that all the measurements I had been taking were for the 82", not for the 73".

She caved in.

So now, just waiting for Amazon to issue me a refund, and will be looking for the right opportunity. Right now it's not available as "Prime", though it's available from Paul's TV through Amazon. Wonder if they sold out and they're waiting to restock with 82742 instead.

In the meantime, we'll be using a 32" toshiba LCD that we previously had in the bedroom.

Anybody know who delivers the TVs when shopping PaulsTV through Amazon?

I have two Version 2 panasonic glasses. Do these work with the 82740? would the Version 3 panasonic glasses work too? What other glasses out there? I hear most people use the xpand on panasonic signal or some such, whatever that means.

Originally Posted by JewDaddy

Hey there. Pauls TV uses a trucking company called AIT Logistics. Ive had three different tv's ship this way before and never had a problem. Probably the best trucking company there is when it comes to shipping. Just to let you know, I will never go through Amazon to purchase a tv from Paul's. Here's why. Paul's will not charge you shipping or tax. They are willing to price match pretty much any price you find in a store or on the Internet. And, they're return policy is outstanding. If you decide in 30 days that you don't like the tv, doesn't matter what the reason is, they will have the trucking company pick it up and there is no charge for shipping to return and no restock fee. On the plus side, if you have a tv that is defective for whatever reason, they will also exchange. If you buy it off of amazon, they will only let you send it back for a refund and then you will have to purchase another one and wait even longer.

Sorry I rambled so much but I've truly been impressed by Paul's. Btw, if you're interested in getting the 82" in the 840 series for the same price as the 740, send me a pm and I'll let you know who to talk with at Paul's Later!

Originally Posted by jromankvcc

I forgot to ask, what does the PaulsTV free shipping include? I ask this because my wife is 7 months pregnant and she won't be able to help me lift the tv on top of the stand, and I don't have any friends around the area that could help me out. She helped me with the 49lbs 55lm8600, and with the 89lbs 55st30, but that was pushing it and I shouldn't have let her do it.

Originally Posted by American & Proud

Pioneer Elite VSX-82TSX and the 82840 and 3D?

Is the Pioneer AVR 3D capable/compatable? I never did get a firmware update for it years ago. (Best Buy Magnolia wanted about 3 weeks to do it at the time)

I noticed in my HD DVR H22-100 Directv that there was NO 3D channel listings, then the Same DVR in our bedroom on a NON 3D 42" LCD setup has them listed on that guide in the bedroom?

Directv Tech said he thinks it's my AVR's fault?

I'm not really into tv tech other than when im buying, so for me I dont know the ins and outs much at all here.

I have everything hooked up basically by HDMI cables running to the Pioneer Elite then 1 HDMI to the new 82840.

I sure as heck Hope I don't have to now replace that AVR it was Expensive 5 years ago, works fine, and had I known a Reciever would screw with 3D I just would have skipped the 3D stuff altogther.

And I do not wish to go with crappy AV cables from the 70's to get it working as the Dtv tech was suggesting.

Any other ideas or suggestions?
Thanks

Originally Posted by jromankvcc

Hey, just wanted to let you know that it looks like that AVR does not have HDMI 1.4a, and that it's not 3D ready.
Here is a reference to your AVR specs:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...vers/VSX-82TXS

However, there are options. For example, a typical is running 3D from the bluray player to the tv, and then using the optical out of the tv into the AVR. Another option is to pass the sound directly from the bluray to the receiver through optical, and send the hdmi directly to the tv. In your case, substitute bluray for directv dvr.

However, this may not be your problem; it all depends.

I have charter, and hbo has 3D movies. I don't have an AVR with HDMI 1.4a downstairs, but I can still pass through the image from the cable box through the AVR and into the tv. For the PS3, however, if I want to watch 3D movies, I have to go connect it directly to the tv through hdmi, and through optic to the AVR. I'm planning on purchasing a dual hdmi 3D bluray player to fix this (optical cable can't transmit Dolby digital hd plus nor dts hd-master, but the second hdmi can)

I don't know if directv has any other possibilities. Maybe a different dvr from directv?

Originally Posted by jromankvcc

Also, I'd suggest you switch the dvr boxes, though I suspect in this case the AVR may be to blame, but at least you can verify if you can see the list of 3D channels or not. In my case, Charter stated as long as it's an HD box, and hbo, it'll send 3D signal just fine.

Nothing wrong with your AVR, just older than 3D bluray. I'm in the same situation you are. Got a 3D tv, have ps3, but my pricey-in-2010 AVR doesn't have HDMI 1.4a ports. Works great for everything else! But has to buy some cheap Denon theater on a box, which was the worst decision ever. The receiver is crappy as hell, and the only good thing is the 3D passthrough (has HDMI 1.4a ports). The speakers suck, too.

I don't want to spend a pretty penny for a receiver when this one works just fine, so my choices are to purchase a new AVR, or a 3D bd player with dual hdmi as commented previously.

Sadly, don't think there are any dvrs with dual hdmi on directv (or any other provider)

Let me know if you need help with the optical cable + hdmi cable setup.

Originally Posted by jromankvcc

Hi, What I meant was temporarily to switch the dvr units so you can check if the list of 3D channels appears. If it appears, then blame the dvr. If not, then the dvr is detecting the non-3D AVR and blocking that somehow.

Regarding the cables, the optical cables have been around for many years, and have yet to be phased out.

Here's where it all depends on how you want to handle connections. The bd player you have has optical out. The cable is this, for example: http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-D...8694319&sr=8-1
It's not the cheapest, but connects well. You'll need to run this optical cable from your 3D bd player to the AVR. This only applies for when you're watching 3D movies, though you can leave it connected.

See, you can connect the bd player either directly to the tv, or through the receiver. For 2d movies, going through the AVR will give you best sound. For 3D movies, you'll have to plug the bd player directly to the tv, and either run a cable from the tv to the receiver or from the bd player to the receiver.

Personally, I have an optical cable from tv to receiver, so that I can have surround with regular antenna shows. Then I have the ps3 connected to tv, and xbox, and dvr connected to AVR. I don't know the specifics of your tv, if it has optical or coaxial out. Check your AVR, vut usually for input "tv" it allows for coaxial/optical. That's where you'd connect the optical/coaxial from the tv.

I'm wanting to have that 82840. Hopefully soon!

Check this for a coaxial cable: http://www.amazon.com/Dynex-Digital-...694961&sr=1-20

Originally Posted by jromankvcc

There are a few settings you'll have to know about: one of them is how to shut off the speakers on the tv and reroute all audio through optical/coaxial from the tv to the receiver. Since you connected the bluray player directly to the tv, the receiver was not playing any sound. You will need to use the optical/coaxial from the tv to the receiver (probably under "TV" input or "dvd")
Newer receivers have fewer coax /optical inputs; between 2 and 0.

If, instead, you connect the bd through optical to the receiver, you may need to change a setting in the bd player so that the sound goes out that way as opposed to through the tv first.

Otherwise, you won't need to change anything on the bluray settings. Bluray is sending audio and video through hdmi to tv. TV then will reroute the audio through the optical cable and into the receiver so you have surround sound.

Differences between 840 and 740 seems to be speakers, better, glossy screen finish (and some extra pq settings). Since I can't have too much glossiness in this room and the speakers sound to be quite crappy, I'll go for a 82740 instead and save some bucks for the 3D glasses, 3D bd player, better cables, banana plugs, runners to hide all cables, etc.