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Any way for Mitsu 1080i RPTV to display 720p?

post #1 of 19
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Hi, I have a Mitsubishi WS-65411, which supports 480p and 1080i via component as it's best input options.

I'd really like to connect an AppleTV2 to this television, but the ATV2 only outputs 720p video via HDMI... no way to change this resolution.

I was initially thinking I'd go with an HDfury of some sort, but then realized that the HDfury only converts HDMI to Component... it doesn't change the source resolution, which is not compatible with my TV.

Is there some reasonably-priced tool that will do this for me?
post #2 of 19
Just wanted to reiterate your request as I have the same query.

Love the blacks and colors on the Mits CRT RPTVs.
post #3 of 19
A converter like that is going to be hard to come by. I believe I have seen them but it has been a while. Look to spend a min of $300-$500. It needs to have a built in scaler as well. Unfortunatly one the main purposes of HDMI is the HDCP (spelling?) protocol which prohibits HD to be output over component, so you have to upgrade. Any compliant converter device will not work with your Apple TV, Bluray, etc. Do a search for HDMI-component converters. They will come up. Beware of cheapy units as the scalers are not very good. Good luck.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by RDKing2 View Post

A converter like that is going to be hard to come by. I believe I have seen them but it has been a while. Look to spend a min of $300-$500. It needs to have a built in scaler as well. Unfortunatly one the main purposes of HDMI is the HDCP (spelling?) protocol which prohibits HD to be output over component, so you have to upgrade. Any compliant converter device will not work with your Apple TV, Bluray, etc. Do a search for HDMI-component converters. They will come up. Beware of cheapy units as the scalers are not very good. Good luck.

I've done lots of searching for HDMI component converters... there are zillions of them... they just convert in the wrong direction. Only a couple convert in the right direction (hd fury being one of them), but I haven't found a single one with an integrated scaler. Very difficult to separate relevant hits since there are so many converters that convert the wrong direction (component source to HDMI display instead of HDMI source to component display).

But the HDfury acts as an HDCP-compliant device without issue, so clearly it's possible. Plus, the primary video source for my AppleTV is files I've encoded myself, so there are no copyright issues that the ATV could detect (unless it's a blanket ban, such that even the menu and music is blocked... and again, the hdfury manages to get around this and offer HD over component so I don't think that's an absolute restriction).

Thanks for the thoughts, though... if you have any more, please post back! Maybe if this thread stays active someone will notice it and provide the perfect solution.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by RDKing2 View Post

A converter like that is going to be hard to come by. I believe I have seen them but it has been a while. Look to spend a min of $300-$500. It needs to have a built in scaler as well. Unfortunatly one the main purposes of HDMI is the HDCP (spelling?) protocol which prohibits HD to be output over component, so you have to upgrade. Any compliant converter device will not work with your Apple TV, Bluray, etc. Do a search for HDMI-component converters. They will come up. Beware of cheapy units as the scalers are not very good. Good luck.

My set does have DVI, and I'm running an HDMI output DVD player through the DVI port.

If you knew of any specific models that would allow 720P on my 65813, I would appreciate it.

Thanks
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

My set does have DVI, and I'm running an HDMI output DVD player through the DVI port.

If you knew of any specific models that would allow 720P on my 65813, I would appreciate it.

Thanks

Since your set has a DVI input, you're in a much better position than I am. You should be able to use a [relatively] inexpensive DVDO Edge scaler to scale the 720p to 1080i, which it will then output over HDMI which you can convert to DVI with a $2 part from Monoprice.

"EDGE has one HDMI 1.3 output that outputs both audio and video. The second HDMI output only carries audio, with blank 720p video, which is intended to carry audio to a connected Audio/Video Receiver. If your source has a DVI output (and no HDMI output), a DVI-to-HDMI adapter or cable will be needed to connect this source to the EDGE. The same is true, if your display does not have an HDMI input, but does have a DVI input. DVI does not carry audio, so for DVI sources/displays an alternative method of connecting audio must be used.

EDGE can automatically determine and output the ‘preferred’ format of the display by reading the EDID of the connected display. Some displays do not report the correct information in which case, the user can select one of the available output formats including 480p, 576p, 720p50/60, 1080i50/60, 1080p24/25/50/60,VGA,SVGA,XGA,SXGA@60Hz.
"

See: http://www.simplaylabs.com/support/DVDO_FAQs.aspx

The Edge is pretty much HDMI-only, but HDMI and DVI are practically the same thing so converting from one to the other is trivial.

My set is a little lower-end than yours and has no DVI input, else I would be able to use this option as well. The Edge does not have any Component output options, so it won't work for me.
post #7 of 19
I just found this in an old link I had, it is a converter I was seriously looking at when we still had our old Mits 65" crt http://www.atlona.com/Atlona-HDMI-to...Converter.html I was thinking I may need to use a gefen spoofer in line between this device and the origin device, maybe not?

This may work with the Fury? http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=10048 1080P only I think

The Atlona hdmi scaler http://www.atlona.com/Atlona-HDMI-UP...Converter.html may work with the fury?

This is the spoofer http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=8005

Not real sure on this copy protection stuff.
post #8 of 19
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The converter doesn't actually change resolutions (720 to 1080) but the scaler may have potential by combining two devices... if I can convert the HDMI signal from 720p to 10801, I may then be able to use an hd fury (or similar) to then convert the HDMI to component. I'll have to look closer into these. Thanks!
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

The converter doesn't actually change resolutions (720 to 1080) but the scaler may have potential by combining two devices... if I can convert the HDMI signal from 720p to 10801, I may then be able to use an hd fury (or similar) to then convert the HDMI to component. I'll have to look closer into these. Thanks!

I guess I'm a bit in over my head when it comes to this aspect of AV science. My Mitsubishi outputs 480i, 480p, and 1080i. What I'm trying to do is see if I can output to 720p at 60 Hz.... The reason? On Curt Palme's site there is a 3-D adapter device that apparently can enable alternating shutter 3-D on a set that has that minimum capability.

I'm still unclear as to whether my set is capable of generating that kind of output, utilizing any device.
Anyway, an interesting discussion.
post #10 of 19
You could get an AVR with a scaler, and set it to 1080I.

That is the easiest solution, and you get 2.0 to 5.1 out of it as well.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by schan1269 View Post

You could get an AVR with a scaler, and set it to 1080I.

That is the easiest solution, and you get 2.0 to 5.1 out of it as well.

Do you know of any models that will definitely do this? Most AVR scalers I've seen pretty much only scale sources up to 1080p... and only output scaled content to HDMI.
post #12 of 19
Just because you buy this...
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR609...8280708&sr=1-1

Doesn't mean you have to set it for 4K resolution...

Any receiver that has a video scaler(which is what the Marvell Qdeo is) can be set for 720P/1080I/1080P...or even 480I/P.

So, if you set the receivers output to 1080I...then 1080P incoming signals will be interlaced into 1080I. 720P will be interlaced, and upconverted to 1080I.

Matter of fact, if your TV is DVI-D, the receiver should automatically know the TV is 1080I only and do what it needs to do.

(for the OP's TV, add in the HD Fury AFTER the HDMI out on the receiver...)
post #13 of 19
I'm still confused as to whether a Mitsubishi RPTV whose native resolutions are 480i, 480p, and 1080i can ever display 720p. From some of these replies it appears with converter/adapters such a set can accept a 720p source and convert/display it to 1080i.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post
I'm still confused as to whether a Mitsubishi RPTV whose native resolutions are 480i, 480p, and 1080i can ever display 720p. From some of these replies it appears with converter/adapters such a set can accept a 720p source and convert/display it to 1080i.
The set will never give you a picture from a 720p source.

An appropriate scaler will provide the set with a 1080i signal from your 720p source.
post #15 of 19
^^^^

+1

My cousin has the TX SR707 and an older Mitsubishi 1080I with DVI.

His laptop(cause he does netflix/pandora/slacker/itunes) only sends a P signal. The SR707 is set to take ALL incoming signals, regardless of what they are, and send them to the TV.

This ALL works with the TV, with the SR707 as the go-between...
Laptop
BD player
Directv
Wii
Flash drive reader
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
I have a brand new Denon 3312, which does offer some limited scaling, but I think it's just upconversion to 1080p. I'll have to investigate whether there is a way to force it to scale to 1080i or not... if so, then one of those simpler HDMI-Component converters might just do the trick. (like the HDfury)

Not in the cards to replace this Denon with an Onkyo, so I hope so.
post #17 of 19
^^^^

Page 93 of the Denon 3312 owners manual. 1080I is selectable.

Set Video Convert to "ON"
Set I/P scaler to "ON"
Set Resolution to "1080I"
Set Progressive mode to "auto"
Set Aspect to "Full"

After those settings, EVERYTHING incoming to the 3312 will be sliced/diced into a signal the 1080I TV will recognize.

For those with a non-DVI TV, after those settings...add in a HD Fury(or equivalent) after the HDMI out of the receiver.
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
Schan1269, you have just made me a VERY happy man! Thanks!!!
post #19 of 19
Many helpful people on the AVS forum!
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