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post #31 of 104
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Originally Posted by chriskekow View Post

As I go through countless threads Kuro seems to be the only tv that no one has anything bad to say about. No peeling screens, no floating blacks, no rising blacks, no screen pops, no screen cracking, no soap opera, no input lag, best blacks, best menus. I am sure this list can go on but damn you Pioneer for halting the line. Regardless if they were 50% more per inch then almost every other manufacturer, at least is was as close to perfect as possible. I think I have to start watching the movie and not the display going forward or I will never pick one.

Just to keep it realistic, do a search for "buzzing" and "dirty screen", and you will see Kuros had their issues as well.

That said, I bought an Elite 151 in Sept. 2008 (I about passed out when I paid for it!) and have no regrets or desire to replace it. It's sad Pioneer had to give up on their TV business. Not only were they the leaders in high quality sets, I think their existence also pushed other companies to improve as well.
post #32 of 104
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

Not only were they [Pioneer,] the leaders in high quality sets, I think their existence also pushed other companies to improve as well.

None of the current plasma manufacturers care about how good they can make their TVs. It's a corporate business, and businesses revolve around money; Pioneer failed as a plasma manufacturer because perfection became too important; they were too far ahead of the curve to justify the price of their technology to the average Joe. ...If they didn't know it before: all the other manufacturers now know that producing a cost effective and affordable product is the key to a successful business.
post #33 of 104
Snagged the last 5020 floor sample from Best buy...kept it under wraps for about 1 year because I knew I was going to need a tv after remodeling..got it for 1200.....plays wonderfully and in my heart i kinda knew that tis Tv,at the price i paid,could not be beat...My first TV is an 8th gen 60" elite that i purchased from tweeter's as a FS as well during their GOB sale...I am, admittedly,as PQ slut...and pio has more than filled my needs..
post #34 of 104
I could be wrong but last time I checked, Runco was still in business and still manufacturing their OPAL plasma's which if I remember correctly, are essentially Pioneer Kuros in disguise. I seem to remember reading that they match the 9G Elites and even surpass them in terms of processing and shadow detail. I just bring this up because people are saying there is nobody catering to the high-end market anymore, nobody cares about quality anymore... yet Runco is and does. Curious how they're able to do this, are they using Kuro tech or is this their own secret sauce? They've been around for years... bout as long as the 9G Kuros yet they are still in business.

That being said I have 2 141FD's and a 500M and I wouldn't trade them or sell them no matter what. Unless of course someone came out with a display to surpass them.
post #35 of 104
Love my 9G Kuro. Best there was, best there is, and best there ever will be.
post #36 of 104
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Originally Posted by AuralXTC View Post

I have 2 141FD's and a 500M and I wouldn't trade them or sell them no matter what.

Man I have the same problem! I was an LCD owner for 4 years, and then 9 months ago I bought a 500M (my first plasma) and was initially shocked at how much I disliked it, but then I realized I had never actually lived with a plasma before and once it sunk into my brain - how superior the plasma's image was - I've been buying up Pioneers everywhere I can
post #37 of 104
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Originally Posted by Dean The Machine View Post

Yesss, i love my KRP600!



Is your ninja protecting that Kuro
post #38 of 104
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Internet apps can be added with a $100 blu ray player. At times I forget I'm not watching 3D when viewing my Pro-111.

I would argue the bulky comment. In a dark room, I'm hard pressed to tell where the picture (letter box) ends and the bezel begins on my 111, and the styling is oh so clean.

But we're all free to enjoy what we have.

As an owner of a calibrated isf'ed 500m, I just wanted to chime in. I agree with you on the 3d like depth. I have never seen this type of depth on any display, except for an Sony Xbr 960 on a much smaller scale. While I love the isf modes, there is nothing like watching a nice hd feed or bluray with a calibrated pure mode. I really don't see how it gets any better. I've had upgrade fever the last couple of months to go bigger, but every time I fire the 500m up I think I must be crazy to try to replace this thing. I am a little sensitive to buzzing, so that is the only knock I can throw at this beauty.

I think if Pioneer was still in the game, they would have all but perfected plasma tech. It's sad to think of what an 11G 3d kuro would have been.
post #39 of 104
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Originally Posted by AuralXTC View Post

I could be wrong but last time I checked, Runco was still in business and still manufacturing their OPAL plasma's which if I remember correctly, are essentially Pioneer Kuros in disguise. I seem to remember reading that they match the 9G Elites and even surpass them in terms of processing and shadow detail. I just bring this up because people are saying there is nobody catering to the high-end market anymore, nobody cares about quality anymore... yet Runco is and does. Curious how they're able to do this, are they using Kuro tech or is this their own secret sauce? They've been around for years... bout as long as the 9G Kuros yet they are still in business.

That being said I have 2 141FD's and a 500M and I wouldn't trade them or sell them no matter what. Unless of course someone came out with a display to surpass them.

Runco is outsourcing Panasonic and Samsung plasma modules since 2009
post #40 of 104
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

Love my 9G Kuro. Best there was, best there is, and best there ever will be.

Yes, it will never be exceeded in the future by any display ever. It's just that good.
post #41 of 104
I love my 500M but it's not 100% perfect. I do have buzzing, especially on bright screens. Compared to 2011 displays I think the Kuros still do come out on top though. Which is kind of sad if you think about it. The display market has really stagnated

Oh, and IMO 3D is a gimmick, and so are Internet apps. My new Samsung has Netflix and other stuff... which I never use because my PS3 already does all of that, plus plays Blu-rays.
post #42 of 104
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Yes, it will never be exceeded in the future by any display ever. It's just that good.

It WILL be exceeded..the question is WHEN. OLED probably has the best shot...but that is a few years off from mass production.
post #43 of 104
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

It WILL be exceeded..the question is WHEN. OLED probably has the best shot...but that is a few years off from mass production.

Pretty sure rogo is being sarcastic and TCing there. But in general yes. Even if OLED PQ only matches it or has some artifacts, energy consumption should be very low, which will be important in the future with populations that don't know how to have less than 10 kid families. I also don't think they're not actually that far away now and if Panasonic or Samsung take a serious shot at fixing their issues and pushing the MLL down there, we might see a plasma do it.

Heck, it's conceivable the VX300 could do it if it's not just a re-bundled 2011 Panny with diff electronics.
post #44 of 104
Love my Pro-150, 60" Elite display...but am going to relegate it to "serious" viewing only as daily tv watching is worrying me!...

-thts
post #45 of 104
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Originally Posted by Frank J Manrique View Post
Love my Pro-150, 60" Elite display...but am going to relegate it to "serious" viewing only as daily tv watching is worrying me!...

-thts
What're your dailty tv viewing habits? If you change channels a lot shouldn't be an issue.

Also, make sure to put on orbiter and if you know you're gonna be watching something with a static logo for a while (ie like a hockey/football game), think about tossing it in power save 2.

On the other hand if you watch the same 3 channels every day and they all have logo's then might not be as good an idea.
post #46 of 104
So glad I have my 151,nothing else comes close. I still enjoy it when friends say WOW LOOK AT THAT PICTURE.
post #47 of 104
We're very fortunate and lucky to have a Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD! I hope we get many many years of reliable use out of it and nothing happens to it!

Make sure you protect it with a high quality surge protector/power conditioner like a SurgeX.

http://surgex.com/
post #48 of 104
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Originally Posted by AuralXTC View Post
I could be wrong but last time I checked, Runco was still in business and still manufacturing their OPAL plasma's which if I remember correctly, are essentially Pioneer Kuros in disguise. I seem to remember reading that they match the 9G Elites and even surpass them in terms of processing and shadow detail. I just bring this up because people are saying there is nobody catering to the high-end market anymore, nobody cares about quality anymore... yet Runco is and does. Curious how they're able to do this, are they using Kuro tech or is this their own secret sauce? They've been around for years... bout as long as the 9G Kuros yet they are still in business.

That being said I have 2 141FD's and a 500M and I wouldn't trade them or sell them no matter what. Unless of course someone came out with a display to surpass them.
The Runco sets are beautiful and crazy expensive. They really don't look like a Kuro but their picture is gorgeous with superb shadow detail.
post #49 of 104
Its true - we are lucky. Its quite amazing when my 2008 model year KURO still makes most, if not all, newer TVs seem lacking. And, with the big push for obnoxious 3D sets and various other gadgety features, its just gonna get worse. Image quality seems to have taken a back seat.

As others have stated - its too bad that more people couldnt justify the KUROs when they were out. The high price scared them away, along with the stadium lighting in BB and Sears. Now, they are all stuck with some dodgy LCD or some low-end buzzbomb plasma with intense burn-in problems.

Ah well, Ill just hang loose with my KURO, soaking up the wicked blacks, excellent video processing, built-in TV Guide, and perfect reliability. Sucks to be me.
post #50 of 104
Really.....another one of these threads. The TV is one of the best, done deal. Must we all discuss why and how again?
post #51 of 104
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Originally Posted by redwolf4k View Post
Really.....another one of these threads. The TV is one of the best, done deal. Must we all discuss why and how again?


Merely venting my frustration over the lack of progress in the last 4 years and the quality issues of today's "high-end" plasma's
post #52 of 104
Yes, the shock is that it has not been surpassed / equalled.

Makes one realize just how special and advanced they were...and the sadness that Pioneer quit making them.

But yes a thread to make KURO owners feel good and everyone else to feel like big losers and worse yet...no way to be a winner because chances are very slim you can find one today and nothing else measures up.
post #53 of 104
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Originally Posted by AuralXTC View Post

I could be wrong but last time I checked, Runco was still in business and still manufacturing their OPAL plasma's which if I remember correctly, are essentially Pioneer Kuros in disguise. I seem to remember reading that they match the 9G Elites and even surpass them in terms of processing and shadow detail. I just bring this up because people are saying there is nobody catering to the high-end market anymore, nobody cares about quality anymore... yet Runco is and does. Curious how they're able to do this, are they using Kuro tech or is this their own secret sauce? They've been around for years... bout as long as the 9G Kuros yet they are still in business.

That being said I have 2 141FD's and a 500M and I wouldn't trade them or sell them no matter what. Unless of course someone came out with a display to surpass them.

I just saw the new Runco Vistage Plasma.
Utterly jaw dropping. Beyond the Pioneer Elite, Bang and Olyfson... ANYTHING, I have ever seen. Not only were the Black levels amazing, but I have never seen such processing. It was the most clean, amazing colors. artifact free, smooth film like motion picture in a plasma ever.
It was like utterly looking through a window.

Now I just have to hit the lottery.
post #54 of 104
After going through a number of TVs in the past two years I'm really sad that I wasn't able to get my hands on a Kuro when they were released. Debating whether it would be worth it to try and get my hands on a used set.
post #55 of 104
I thought Runco used Panny panels and threw in better processing. If they use the pro VX series they should look amazing but black levels not quite as low as a Kuro.

I've actually been considering an external VP for my Kuro to take the processing to tge next level. Anyone have experience doing this?
post #56 of 104
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Originally Posted by Iorek View Post

After going through a number of TVs in the past two years I'm really sad that I wasn't able to get my hands on a Kuro when they were released. Debating whether it would be worth it to try and get my hands on a used set.

How big of a "tech-head" are you? (Right...I'm asking this to someone on AVS.) If you get a good deal I would say pick one up.

I have seen a Kuro next to a good Panasonic and could see differences.

But I can watch the Panasonic GT25 I have and be blown away and enjoy the heck out of it.

Sometimes it all becomes a "King of the Hill" game if you know what I mean.
post #57 of 104
The Runco's do not use Pio tech or panel. Its Panny panels combined with their own processing.
post #58 of 104
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Originally Posted by montanaman View Post

How big of a "tech-head" are you? (Right...I'm asking this to someone on AVS.) If you get a good deal I would say pick one up.

I have seen a Kuro next to a good Panasonic and could see differences.

But I can watch the Panasonic GT25 I have and be blown away and enjoy the heck out of it.

Sometimes it all becomes a "King of the Hill" game if you know what I mean.

It's not so much the PQ. I was satisfied with my VT25. It's the floating blacks, blooming, clouding, flashlighting, uneven lighting, etc, etc that plague recent TVs. DSE and buzzing I can deal with.
post #59 of 104
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Originally Posted by Iorek View Post

It's not so much the PQ. I was satisfied with my VT25. It's the floating blacks, blooming, clouding, flashlighting, uneven lighting, etc, etc that plague recent TVs. DSE and buzzing I can deal with.

OK I hear you (or maybe I "read" you).

I am just in a "don't worry be happy" mood today.

Somedays in the big picture scheme of life having a more perfect TV does not seem like a top priority. Did I just say that?? I will check out now.

Hope a Pioneer falls in your lap at a great price. Be patient, keep an eye out. They do show up on Craigslist
post #60 of 104
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Originally Posted by Iorek View Post

DSE and buzzing I can deal with.

Sorry I'm still around for a bit yet...

I don't think the 9g monitors had the DSE (dirty screen effect).

And Pioneer had an "energy save mode 2" which pretty much took care of the buzzing with minor effect on picture brightness.

Wish Panasonic had that would probably take care of most buzzing issues.
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