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post #211 of 243
Not possible. The Onkyo cannot pass HDMI 1.4, only 1.3. The 3DC-100S effectively converts the signal coming out of the PS3 to a 1.3 signal which works fine with the receiver. Hence the reason to 'unlock' the 100S. While unlocked it does not care if it is plugged into something other than a Samsung TV. As I said before, everything was working fine for months using this setup, and then one day *poof* PS3 goes dumb. But thanks anyway.
post #212 of 243
Re-do your HDMI setup in the PS3 menus. Often when a software update has happened on the PS3, you simply must go through the HDMI setup menus again.

Also, I hope you are aware that the audio output of the adatper is PCM Stereo and not 5.1 or any of the higher end audio codex. This is the default audio of the adapter unless it is directly connected to a matching TV that supports 5.1. - it is also the default audio for HDMI in general.
post #213 of 243
Yeah, the audio downgrade is a bummer, but that's the price I have to pay to enjoy 3D gaming. At least until I get around to upgrading my receiver to one that can pass 3D. I find most games default to DD or DTS when 5.1 and 7.1 PCM are not available. And that's good enough for now.

Amazingly enough, I tried the HDMI setup again (for the twentieth time) this weekend and it decided to work! I didn't make any changes at all, the only difference may be the order in which I powered everything on. I'll have to play around with that later. Right now I don't want to jinx it, I'm having too much fun playing Wipeout HD in 3D.
post #214 of 243
Holey Moley this thread is awesome. I just read through it all! Now I need to find a good used one, prior to Jan 2011. It's slim pickings on eBay and amazon. Thanks Justin!
post #215 of 243
Hi folks, got a question for anyone who might know. I found a 3DA-1 adapter being sold locally but it's Feb 2011. I know March 2011 (and beyond) won't work but how about feb 2011? Thanks in advanced.
post #216 of 243
My little used unlocked 3DA-1 is FS. PM me.
post #217 of 243
I have a 3DA-1 as well, anybody interested can PM me, it is Nov 2010 build I believe.
post #218 of 243
My Denon 2312CI AVR is 1.4 compatible and claims to pass a full 1080p 3D signal. As a result, I should be able to use an unlocked 3DA-1 between the AVR and the TV, but will HD audio still be transferred from my PS3 as well? I like the whole 3D thing but if I can't get HD audio through the same HDMI connection, I may not move forward with this. Regular 2D and HD audio can still be passed through the adapter to the TV right? I don't need a separate HDMI input for 2D do I?
post #219 of 243
You question is a little incorrect.
1. Your Samsung DLP TV will accept only PCM Stereo audio via HDMI regardless of the source device. PCM Stereo is the only audio required by HDMI specifications. All other audio formats are optional. The Samsung DLP TVs do not support the optional autios.

2. The unlocked adatper will only pass PCM Stereo audio and none of the optional audio formats. A locked adapter used with a "supported" Mitsubsihi TV will pass the types of audio that the TV supports because Mitsubishi knows this in advance. But the unlocked adapter does not quiery the TV for the types of audio and limits the audio only to the "required" formats. Remember the "unlocked" mode is not the offical mode of the adapter.

3. None of the above makes any difference for HD audio (advanced audio formats) if you are using an AV Receiver and your source device (PS3, Blueray player, etc.) is connected to the inputs of the AV Reciever. If the AV Receiver supports the HD audio and the source device supports the same HD audio format, that is what is sent to the AV receiver. That audio never gets forwarded to the TV becasue there is no need to forward it to the TV (you aren't use the TV audio anyway).

In short when the AV Reciever is on and being used for audio, the audio is what is supported by the AV Receiver and PS3. If you turn off the AV Receiver and then pass the audio through to the TV, then the source device is forced to PCM Stereo automatically because that is all the TV and adapter can handle.

The statement of "3D Pass through" for the AV Receiver deals with the video passing through without being altered by the AV Receiver, not the audio.
post #220 of 243
Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the info!
post #221 of 243
Just to clarify, if I have my set up as follows:

PS3======> AVR (1.4 compliant) ======> 3DA-1 =======>SAMSUNG TV

this should all work just fine right? I read somewhere that the PS3 does not pass on HD Master audio with 3D content. Is that still the case or did firmware fix that? The way I understand it, if the 3DA-1 is before the AVR, it will not pass on HD audio or any 5.1 audio for that matter.
post #222 of 243
Hey guys, not sure where to put this but this thread seemed pretty appropriate.

I have a 3D-A1, and I am having serious issues with my HLT5676S Sammy. The Sammy detects that 3d mode is available off of hdmi3, however whenever I enable 3d mode the TV works for about 5 minutes, freezes, and then resets itself back to non-3d mode.

Is there anyway to tell whats going on? Reflash the firmware? The manufacture date on the 3d-a1 is from 2010. Perhaps it's dying?
post #223 of 243
Try unplugging the system for 10 minutes. Maybe something needs to reboot.
post #224 of 243
When the TV comes back to life is the 3DA-1 still sending the 3D signal? You should be able to tell if it is still working. If so, maybe it is the TV and not the device. Don't put the TV in 3D mode, change the 3D mode on the 3Da-1, and wait a few minutes to see if the signal changes or drops on your TV in 2D mode.
post #225 of 243
The 3da-1 is still sending the signal as I can immediately go back to the setup menu and 3dmode is still white, it's just off instead of on. Could it be my monster-visions RF adapter freaking out the TV? Worse comes to worse I will re-flash the firmware and see if that helps also. :\
post #226 of 243
Justin you are the man, you saved me from ripping my tv to shreds from frustration.

And to all who are having issues with setting up 3d video and 5.1 sound from the PS3 using a Samsung DLP, and an Onkyo 1200W receiver this is what I do:

-Run HDMI from PS3 to 3da converter,
-Run HDMI from 3da converter to HDMI port 3,
-Run Fibre Optic from PS3 to Onkyo 7.1 receiver.

The best you will get via fibre optic is 5.1 Dolby Digital(Can actually get DD-EX) or 6.1 DTS.
This is much better then 2 channel sound through your tv.


I also have a fibre optic cable from the TV to the Onkyo Receiver, this way I can have several options when playing and games an listening to music.
When I just use the HDMI audio passed through the TV then sent to the receiver it actually still sounds really good on my system.


I think the only time these tv's output 5.1 sound is via over the air television. But I could be wrong.

We have to accept that right now many of us will not get the HD audio while watching in 3D, once you realize HD audio is off the table you can organise your system around this.
Kinda how the PS3 mostly only outputs 720P, so if buying a tv just for gaming and 3d a 720p 3d tv is more then sufficient, and will perform better then a 1080p tv which has to upscale games and introduce all sorts of lag/artifacts, etc.
post #227 of 243
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Originally Posted by larrylwill View Post

Are you really saying if I buy a 3DA-1 and


1. Power off the adapter (leave everything plugged in and connected)

2. Press and hold the 3D Mode button then press and hold the Power button

3. Observe the 3D status light until it blinks. You want it to blink once, if it blinks twice (5 seconds apart) then restart at step 1.

4. After you get the unit to blink once, release the Power button then release the 3D Mode button.


I will be able to play any 3D DVD from any DVD player and tune my Direct TV to a 3D station and the TV recognizes it as 3D?

That is awesome. Nice easter egg! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #228 of 243
Just came across this thread and realized I purchased the 3DC-100S kit, which has the 3DA-1 adapter in it. (I beleive). Since I'm not using the adapter it is up for sale. If any one is interested PM me. I believe it is an early build, and I will update once I find the build date.
post #229 of 243
Ok you guys seem to like spending too much money, LOL.

In 3D via your PS3 the best audio you will likely get is 5.1 DD-EX. You can get 5.1 DD-EX via fibre optic!!



So forget the HD or HDMI 1.4 receivers, just run a fibre optic cable from the PS3 to the receiver.

Run HDMI from the PS3 to the 3ds, then run HDMI from the 3DS to the TV HDMI port 3 for our Samsung DLP's.


Also you do not need DLP link glasses. I bought some cheap $20 Sony active shutter glasses from Bestbuy and they work just as well or better then the DLP link glasses. (I also have the X102 DLP links so i know)

The 3DS I bought came with a 3D emitter and extension cable. So the emitter plugs into the 3DS, and the extension cable connects to the tv.



I would expect any universal 3D glasses to work via the emitter. Save some money and enjoy this stuff already!!!!


PS3 games do not support HD audio so I opted for the best Onkyo receiver I could afford that did not support these HD audio formats, allowed me to get a 1200W system and I love it.

The HD audio track is misleading, as you can have the correct receiver but if the speakers are not top notch you will not experience the full effect.

I will wait till the next thing comes along and games may actually support the HD audio by then, so I can buy an HD audio setup complete with the correct speakers to take full advantage.

My point being you might as well max out the formats currently used, instead of getting 25% of the next gen this or that. (Hope that makes sense, an analogy would be USB 3, no devices max that speed, but those same devices will max out the USB 2 spec until USB 4 comes out)
post #230 of 243
My 3da1 box went out. I sent it to Mitsu for warranty. They said "yup, its defective", sent me a box with a May 2011 date. Yup, doesn't work, got a "not compatible with tv" message. Think Mitsu could reflash it so it will work?
I'll be calling mitsu tomorrow and talking to them is painful.
post #231 of 243
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Originally Posted by dclark View Post

My 3da1 box went out. I sent it to Mitsu for warranty. They said "yup, its defective", sent me a box with a May 2011 date. Yup, doesn't work, got a "not compatible with tv" message. Think Mitsu could reflash it so it will work?
I'll be calling mitsu tomorrow and talking to them is painful.

So did you try the little button pressing sequence to remove the EDID restrictions on the new box?
post #232 of 243
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Originally Posted by Mounta1n View Post

So did you try the little button pressing sequence to remove the EDID restrictions on the new box?

What sequence? I turned it off, held the 3d button then pushed the on button, light blinked once. Is there another type of magic hockey pockey to do that I am unaware of?
My first box was made in 2010 and fire up with no problems.
post #233 of 243
Called Mitsu today, as predictable, got someone who didn't speak legible english. Bottom line was the only thing I could make out from her was "We have no information on that..." and "you should contact the maker of your set".
This is where I lost it. I asked "Are you aware that mitsu made a 3d kit that works with Samsung tv?
"Yes"
My first box worked fine for 8 months. This one doesn't. Why should I call samsung? You know what the problem is- you sent me the wrong box!
Can you have someone call me who knows something about this product?

I'll try to call them later today if I have time.
post #234 of 243
dclark-sorry if you mentioned it earlier, but why not just save yourself the hassle and change the EDID on your Samsung set? The process is pretty easy and the parts needed are cheap.

This is how you remove the EDID restriction on some 3DA-1 devices as mentioned on page one:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin

Just talked to customer service and was given instructions on how to reset the unit:

1. Power off the adapter (leave everything plugged in and connected)
2. Press and hold the 3D Mode button then press and hold the Power button
3. Observe the 3D status light until it blinks. You want it to blink once, if it blinks twice (5 seconds apart) then restart at step 1.
4. After you get the unit to blink once, release the Power button then release the 3D Mode button.

That apparently should do it - I'm not at home but I'll report back after work.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlumB
That's hilarious, I just tried this on my original 3DA-1(no gefen) and it completely removed EDID restriction. It appears mode 1(1 blink) is the unrestricted mode and mode 2(2 blinks) is restricted.

It sounds like you tried this but it didn't work. That sucks. If you want the cables and software to flash your set's EDID to make it appear like a Mitsubishi let me know. I should have all the cords sitting around somewhere.
post #235 of 243
I have a Mits box, dated November 2010...it's labelled 3dc-1000, but it's the same thing, right? I tried the procedure and it did the single flash. Has the stand, wall wart, little remote, emitter patch cable...original box, even.I suppose I could part with the demo disc, too. But I need to keep the emitter, and the glasses.

I was using it until recently, because I thought it was necessary to enable ESPN3D->Comcast box->Mits DLP. But I found there is a way around that.

So this would be of value to someone? If so, PM me.
post #236 of 243
So, Mits mailed me a box that wouldn't work with my samsung. I said it was the wrong box, they said they'd test. They tested and said it worked fine.
I asked if they tested on a samsung and was told "Sir, we don't have samsung products here at mitsu". I kept telling them that it was a box part of the kit marketed to owners of samsung sets.
I'd get messages from my rep to call back, call back and always had someone who didn't speak english answer. They always said that they couldn't transfer, leave a message.
Finally, rep talked to supervisor, said that they sent me the wrong box! The supervisor called me and said he was sorry and could send box over night express,. I said I'd be happy with regular shipping but could you throw in a pair of 3d glasses? he said fine.
Got package today. There were two pair of 3d glasses (!) an extra 3d Disney sampler and the box. The date on the box said "January/2011"
The box worked! Yeah!
post #237 of 243
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Originally Posted by dclark View Post

So, Mits mailed me a box that wouldn't work with my samsung. I said it was the wrong box, they said they'd test. They tested and said it worked fine.
I asked if they tested on a samsung and was told "Sir, we don't have samsung products here at mitsu". I kept telling them that it was a box part of the kit marketed to owners of samsung sets.
I'd get messages from my rep to call back, call back and always had someone who didn't speak english answer. They always said that they couldn't transfer, leave a message.
Finally, rep talked to supervisor, said that they sent me the wrong box! The supervisor called me and said he was sorry and could send box over night express,. I said I'd be happy with regular shipping but could you throw in a pair of 3d glasses? he said fine.
Got package today. There were two pair of 3d glasses (!) an extra 3d Disney sampler and the box. The date on the box said "January/2011"
The box worked! Yeah!

Excellent!smile.gif

Ed
post #238 of 243
SO does the adapter pass all audio (dd,dd+, HD, MA) or does it filter some out as 2 Channel?
post #239 of 243
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Originally Posted by speedklz View Post

SO does the adapter pass all audio (dd,dd+, HD, MA) or does it filter some out as 2 Channel?

It only passes L & R Audio, so you need to switch your source to output only stereo if going through it, or you miss the dialog on the center channel. It doesn't convert the audio to 2-channel, it just only passes 2 channels, main L & R. You could use optical to send the audio to your receiver so your audio doesn't even go through it, unless your source has two HDMI outputs so you can send audio separately.
post #240 of 243
I just pluged this unit in and tried turning it on and the light on the front dosnt show.. Will this unit turn on if not hooked to a tv.. Just making sure it works, I bought it used and I am not home yet to test it.
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