Equipping a Dinner Theater w/ Cinema Sound (Blueprints Included)

For a room that size, with your budget, I would consider PA/DJ speakers. JBL, Peavy ect. These speakers are relatively cheap. They play very loud, and don't use huge amounts of amplifier power.

A standard mixing board can accept connections from your Blu-ray and such. But you will also have the options on a microphone, plugging in a guitar ect.
This could be very helpful for wedding receptions ect.

I would consider 2 main speakers at your "stage" then smaller speakers along the walls. Point the towards the back of the room, away from the stage. You will be able to control their individual volumes with the mixing board.

I think you goal should be to fill the room with sound, not volume. People love to hear music but don't want to scream over it. You will still have plenty of potential to really crank it up if you want.

I'm not sure but I think there is a DJ/Professional sound forum here, isn't there?

Have fun!

Your scenario is so hard to determine .. but, I would go with the 3 speaker configuration for the fronts, based on the 45' length of the room .. add 2 on each side and two rears ..

As well, I would also suggest you look into the Klipsch pro line ..

I would consider Peavey, Carvin or the lower end Crown units for your raw aplification ..

Don't stack speakers with their tweeters/hf drivers so far apart. It causes lobing. Your options are line source (think a 10ft tall line of tweeters) or point source (single point from where the sound emanates, not multiple points.), not a mix of the two.

No one's mentioned the JTR triple 12's for the front stage? Too deep? Matched up with pair or quad DTS-10's would make for a nice theater foundation.

Behringer EP4000's are cheap, yet pretty reliable. If you were doing a lot of DJ'ing I would get better, but for theater use, they'll be fine.

BTW, there was a thread over in the DIY subforum where the JBL 8320's were being sold for around $100 (shipped) used or less. They might have sold out. Too bad I don't like the sound of them otherwise I would have bought some.

I would strongly recommend you find a reputable local audio production company to come take a look at your room, budget, etc. and make suitable recommendations and help with your install and setup. It's very easy to waste money on gear that might not be right for your application, and it's also easy to damage your new gear if you don't know how to use it properly. There's more involved in a full room multi-speaker setup than some speakers and a mixer. You also need one or more speaker controllers (which need professional setup due to EQ and delay requirements), appropriate wiring, etc. There are also major differences between DJ mixers and real audio mixers and you'll want pro advice on which would work better for you.

At the least, if you can't find a good local audio production company to help you, contact pro music stores like Guitar Center, Sam Ash etc., and ask for their help. I'd be happy to offer you my company's services except we're located in PA, not exactly convenient.

Good luck.

OP,

I know you just started this thread, but you should start a thread in the DIY section. The most knowledgeable and veteran members tend to stay over there. You'll get much more help in that subforum.

With that said, you're heading in the right direction. Also look into some horn subs in the DIY section. I don't know how much bass you want as it's a winery. You don't want to be knocking down bottles of wine.

You can go with the JBL AM7215 or AM5215 series of speakers horizontally mounted above the screen which you can angle down towards the listening area and you can also choose the dispersion pattern of the speaker to further reduce reflectivity in the room so everything will sound clean and clear.

Choosing the JBL AC2212 compact models for surrounds.

And using the JBL ASB6125 subwoofer for the bass duties. Maybe place an Auralex Gramma under the sub so you don't shake the winery apart.

Aye! Now that's a subwoofer. And those are good recommendations all 'round.

If you are going to do the L/C/R setup around a screen, don't use multiple speakers. Aside from the fact you don't need them, sound quality will suffer.

Before you get too far into all of this I would really do some serious thinking and planning, maybe here in this thread, about the various uses of the room. It seems that you may be doubling up on gear for the stage and video systems, and overly cluttering the space. I would recommend hiding/concealing speakers as best as possible with fabric or similar grills.

My first questions are what will you be watching/listening to on the screen, who will be watching/listening, and where will they be seated?

Looks like a very cool renovation and a fun little space.

Yes, as I also stated on one of your other threads, I also mentioned that you don't want to double up the speakers.

It is extremely hard to tell whether the JBL 3677 will give you what you need for LCRs as we, and most likely you, don't really know at what volumes will be sufficient for you or others.
JBL doesn't give a max spl range so this makes it harder.

If you look at my earlier suggestion, you can make a soffit to cover the speakers and the screen so it will look nice and stealthy. You can still use JBL 8320s for the surrounds as well.

Right - and he is here to help.

And just for fun
http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/The...eries/3677.pdf

These are high output speakers that produce large amounts of volume.

http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/genera...x?FId=25&MID=2

Are you willing to diy? You can build some impressive speakers, subs and a acoustic transparent screen for a nice price.

I don't want to type all this again so I just quoted myself from another thread.

You are getting some good advise here. I would like to re-state some from above. Especially if you are looking at PA/DJ type gear. Which you should be able to do well, well within your budget.

CALL A LOCAL DEALER. HAVE THEM COME AND LOOK AT YOUR ROOM. THEY SHOULD NOT CHARGE YOU EXTRA TO PROVIDE YOU ADVICE. BUY THE GEAR FROM THEM, LET THEM SET IT UP, AND SHOW YOU HOW TO USE IT!

You mentioned a $ 20K budget, you can easily get all this done for that.

Yes it'll cause issues as Mark (as in Mark Seaton http://seatonsoundinc.com/) and others have mentioned. I should have been more specific and mentioned that the tweeters needed to be as close as possible, within 1-2 inches at most.

As mrkazador pointed out, the QSC SC2150 clones would work. I don't know if the crossovers are available from QSC any more though. The information needed to rebuild that crossover could be had from pictures and reverse engineering it. The horns needed might not be available either. If you do decide to go that route and you can't get the horns, I have three available for a build I didn't finish.

Crossover and horn is available to purchase through the online QSC parts store. You can add them to your cart and checkout without problems. I have not actually purchased them so I can't say for certain if you can. The mid range is out of stock but I suggest purchasing the drivers through another store. QSC probably doesn't stock a huge amount of drivers and the price difference at other websites is not big. PM me if you want the bill of materials.

I would stick to a proven speaker design instead of creating your own. The QSC SC-2150 is very efficient, it can put out reference levels at <50 watts depending on seating distance. The 2150 uses 2 15" woofers and the waveguide is (HxWxD)17.3" x 16.3" x 6.8".

Another option is the 3pi speakers. You can buy a kit or ask to get the schematic for free so you can source the parts yourself for a cheaper price.
http://www.pispeakers.com/Prices.html
http://audioroundtable.com/forum/ind...read&frm_id=33