"Official" Onkyo TX-NR809 Thread - Page 7

Hooked up the 809 to my Pioneer speakers and elemental designs a2-300 sub. Sounds fantastic with one exception.....I can not get my subwoofer to stop bottoming out on bass heavy scenes. The one I am using to tweak the receiver settings is Battle Los Angeles where the team engages the control center in the sewer system. When the control center shoots back at the marines, those shots bottom my sub out every time. I have turned Dynamic EQ off, adjusted the the LFE LPF, lowered the sub level to the point where it does't bottom out, but then it is almost like I have no sub. I've switched the speakers to full range, and now they are currently set to 80. No difference. Any other ideas?

Now, this same scene playing through my Pioneer Elite 23 and these same Pioneer speakers sounds perfect. Sub DOES NOT bottom out at all. Now, I have had 4 Elite receivers in a row so I am a lot more familiar with them. I'm hoping I'm just missing something because I really like the features and sound of the 809. I am very satisfied with the sound quality. When the sub doesn't bottom out, it all blends perfectly.

Another scene where the sub bottoms out with the 809 is in GI Joe. When they are transporting the weapons and they engage the enemy in the beginning of the film. The laser guns that shout down the marine helicopters also cause it to bottom out. With the Pioneer in place, that is actually my favorite LFE in all the movie!! I'm getting stressed out but am willing to keep tweaking. Any suggestions are welcome.

Where did you read that? Just curious but at any rate that is far less than my VSX-23 which has no pass through at all that I can figure out or that works worth a crap. My wife hates that unit even though she admits it sounds good, she cannot and will not use it. While she is not happy I am replacing the unit after a year and a half, she gave me little grief about it when I explained how it was going to work. She saw that with the Yammy 867 I tried for a short while but returned for a lack of power in my opinion. (Not really an opinion because I could get it to shut down via protection way too early). I will not get in a rant about Pioneer because they made the bed they currently lie in, bought out by Sharp. I hope the Onkyo unit works out for me because it looks like an excellent value for performance. I will certainly post about any problems/dislikes I have as folks from the VSX-23 thread can testify to. I will not laud anything just because I bought it.

Audyssey and MCACC do very different thinks with LFE. Callibration is the difference my friend.

HDMI passthrough is the biggest farce of the home theater in the past five years. You end up spending cash on a receiver only to not use it to theoretically save a few pennies when watching the news. Most receivers end up running 3W to 30W at standby with passthrough, completely negating the alleged green factor. To boot, you're only going to shorten the lifespan of your receiver by keeping the hdmi board juiced all the time.

Idiotic in my opinion.

Have you calibrated the receiver?

Winston,
Well at the price point this receiver is at I don't think we get to bitch about price point for any feature it has. And I'm thinking farce wise the pointless 4k upscaling might give your passthrough a serious run for its money.

By the time we all have 4k displays, we all know our onkyo's will be dead from the next(yet unknown) onkyo bug.

Yes. I ran Audessy and chose 4 different spots to run it.

What are your settings on the sub itself for level, bandpass frequency, and phase? How do you have it connected to the receiver?

Found the 38W thing here: http://blog.hekkers.net/2011/06/15/k...on-acceptable/

When did Amazon match this? It is showing as $869 on my shopping car??

The 699 price was on amazon last night. they must have changed it today.

Sub is connected via subwoofer cable to the sub out on the receiver, phase is set to zero (on the receiver as well), and bandpass frequency is set to the highest on the sub, and LPF of LFE is set to 80 on the receiver. All speakers are crossed over at 80 as well.

Did you adjust the crossover of your sub and volume of your sub before/after the switch.

Definitely adjusted the volume on the sub AND the receiver. I didn't adjust the sub's crossover point. I did adjust the receiver's sub XO point from 80-120 and still the same results.

Maybe MCACC is superior in this setting - does seem strange that the lfe has roll-off though

Since the receiver will be managing the subwoofer you need to disable all the subs features except the volume. The receiver will select the x-over frequency, etc. prior to the subwoofer. Set the volume (on the sub) to the 9 o'clock position to start with. Once you have done this rerun the calibration and see if that helps.

Do you have a link to you sub's manual?

I have a Velodyne powered sub. I set the "Internal X-Over" switch to "Direct" to let the receiver handle everything.

If no direct.... set the sub crossover as above the AVRs selected point and then the sub's crossover is out of play.

sub only has phase (set to zero), crossover 50-150 (set at 150) and volume. When running Audessy, it said to set the sub's volume until the receiver read 75db. I did that and it was at around 3-4 o'clock position. Audessy ran without a problem. But at that volume on the sub side, it was almost non existent when listening to music or watching GI Joe and Battle Los Angeles. So I obviously had to tweak from there.

I'm going to rerun Audessy tomorrow afternoon when my new Jamo setup comes in. Frustrating part is that Pioneer's MCAC works flawlessly with the sub and it sounds fantastic. So I know it's not the sub. We'll see what happens tomorrow when I rerun Audessy on the new setup.

When you say TWEAK what exactly did you do? I wasn't totally satisfied with what I heard after watching a few movies. I went into speaker setup/level calibration and turned the sub up a few additional dbs and liked what I heard.

Hi joeyvaz, its probably non existent due to sub volume setting (3-4 o'clock). After running auto setup what was the subwoofer trim level calibration result? If the result is -15dB then you need to turn down the sub volume to about 9 o'clock position as ResonantEcho suggested, rerun auto setup again and recheck subwoofer trim level result.

By tweak I mean changing the sub level on the receiver so that I can actually hear it during music and movies. But on CERTAIN LFE it would cause the sub to overwork and make the actual driver make a popping sound. If I lower it at the sub, then the sub seems non existent.




Correction: I said 3-4 o'clock but I meant 9-10 o'clock. I tweak it from above because it is in a corner. If I lower it to 9 o'clock, then it's hard to tell it's even connected. At the receiver, Audessy set the sub level to -5.5db initially I believe. I will leave the sub at 9 o'clock tomorrow when I rerun Audessy with the new Jamo setup.

Thank you all for the help thus far. I will definitely keep the thread updated as I tweak further and get the new setup running tomorrow.

I guess with NewEgg, you can have NewEgg tell you when a product gets to a certain price. Hopefully NewEgg will be contacting me in a couple days telling me the receiver is $699

you might want to check daily. I think I read a poster that said by the time he got the alert, it was sold out.

Newegg has been running that deal every other week for the last 6 weeks...missed out the first 2 times, but picked one up this past weekend. I would suggest getting up early on Saturdays and check the price frequently.

[quote=joeyvaz;20710299]sub only has phase (set to zero), crossover 50-150 (set at 150) and volume. When running Audessy, it said to set the sub's volume until the receiver read 75db. I did that and it was at around 3-4 o'clock position. QUOTE]

Did you tell the 809 that you have a THX subwoofer in the THX Audio setup? (Say no to THX subwoofer and Boundary Gain Compensation if you did.)

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Tried with it off and on...same results.

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Did you run Audyssey calibration with it turned off? (It does make a difference in my system, but you have to re-calibrate after every change)

I cannot find much fault with this post except the part where I spend cash on a unit to not use it. I am buying this unit for 3d use, for more power, and yes the passthrough. All HDMI passthrough AVRs these days are basically switches that strip the sound when on and send that through when in standby or through. There is no way I am going to watch the news in the early hours even on low volume with my 3 subs and speakers.

Idiotic? I agree because instead of audio return they should make a trigger that turns passthrough on when you simply power on the TV or whatever display you have. I don't feel HDMI was ever my friend to help me. It was made for copyright purposes and is a total PITA with it's handshake picture fluctuating and sound drop out BS issues. Not to mention unintended HDMI units powering on when not wanted and unwanted switching. So I have elected to hitch my wagon to the 809 horse and we will see how things go. While my man cave is mine, I have to accomodate the wife and when she cannot simply turn on the TV and watch a program, I have grief. So if the equivalent of a 40W light bulb does the trick for me, well then we will just have to see how much it shortens the units life. This is the world we live in today. You are not going to find a non HDMI unit any more so like it or not you have to pick one.

Now if you are basically saying the same thing, then I agree with you. If you are saying something else I don't know what it is and perhaps you would share your solution with us here because I think I agree with what you are saying.

Ok, suggest visiting the eD thread and ask about adding polyfill to your A2-300 sub. As other has done so to help reduce the possibility of bottoming out.

A little off topic here but it is Onkyo TX-NR809 related.

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