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post #2671 of 5256
1/2/12 at 3:58pm
Hey there all, I've been skimming this thread, and having trouble finding answers to a few questions.

I am considering the Onkyo 809 as a possible replacement for a very nice Yamaha RXV-1800 that has been acting a little weird lately.

I would be driving an SVS subwoofer and Boston reference speakers that are about 12+ years old. I have a second set of speakers on the patio that I currently run in a Zone 2 setup (just for audio, more on that in a bit).

TV is a 65VT30.

Sources are a Tivo HD, PS3, and an XBMC HTPC. I also use a Squeezebox for Pandora, personal music library, etc.

So, here's the questions.

1. Does the on screen display show things like volume changes on screen on the TV during playback? I've read several reviews of this AVR and not seen this mentioned anywhere.

2. Do the dual HDMI outs only display the same thing on both outputs, or could I have the XBMC PC displaying on one HDMI output and the TiVo on the other? In other words, could I have a completely different audio/video feed going to Zone 2 if there is an HDMI connected display and speakers in that room?

3. Is this 809 made in Japan, China, Taiwan?

4. No Airplay for this model? Has Onkyo announced any plans on introducing this in the 2012 models? I can do Airplay with XBMC now but it's pretty hit or miss. would really like this feature in the AVR but the Denons and Marantz units appear to be the only ones that have it right now and neither looks particularly impressive.

5. Power consumption. I'm confused about this... apparently some features result in very high power consumption? Am I likely to need these features? The idea of 55 watts when shut down does not sound like a good thing to me.

6. Boot time. How long does this AVR take to "boot". I saw one review mention it being the first AVR they've ever reviewed that has a "boot up" sequence, but they don't say how long it is.

7. Sub bump. I saw a note that there is a loud subwoofer bump every time the AVR is powered up. Does this still happen with the latest firmware?

Thanks in advance.
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post #2672 of 5256
1/2/12 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Hey there all, I've been skimming this thread, and having trouble finding answers to a few questions.

I am considering the Onkyo 809 as a possible replacement for a very nice Yamaha RXV-1800 that has been acting a little weird lately.

I would be driving an SVS subwoofer and Boston reference speakers that are about 12+ years old. I have a second set of speakers on the patio that I currently run in a Zone 2 setup (just for audio, more on that in a bit).

TV is a 65VT30.

Sources are a Tivo HD, PS3, and an XBMC HTPC. I also use a Squeezebox for Pandora, personal music library, etc.

So, here's the questions.

1. Does the on screen display show things like volume changes on screen on the TV during playback? I've read several reviews of this AVR and not seen this mentioned anywhere.

2. Do the dual HDMI outs only display the same thing on both outputs, or could I have the XBMC PC displaying on one HDMI output and the TiVo on the other? In other words, could I have a completely different audio/video feed going to Zone 2 if there is an HDMI connected display and speakers in that room?

3. Is this 809 made in Japan, China, Taiwan?

4. No Airplay for this model? Has Onkyo announced any plans on introducing this in the 2012 models? I can do Airplay with XBMC now but it's pretty hit or miss. would really like this feature in the AVR but the Denons and Marantz units appear to be the only ones that have it right now and neither looks particularly impressive.

5. Power consumption. I'm confused about this... apparently some features result in very high power consumption? Am I likely to need these features? The idea of 55 watts when shut down does not sound like a good thing to me.

6. Boot time. How long does this AVR take to "boot". I saw one review mention it being the first AVR they've ever reviewed that has a "boot up" sequence, but they don't say how long it is.

7. Sub bump. I saw a note that there is a loud subwoofer bump every time the AVR is powered up. Does this still happen with the latest firmware?

Thanks in advance.

1. Yes, it shows up from HDMI Output 1 only - but can be switched off.
2. Z2 is Audio only.
3. No idea.
4. AirMusic App allows streaming, but a simple USB dock (eBay $4) is better, battery wise, but can only go in front, flap down, USB. Can be controlled via iPad then though.....
5. Off is off, Standby is 0.2w, but if you have HDMI Through switched on, or Net Control, 34w is typical. Net Control is used for ORemote App etc - but I use a power adaptor controlled by Harmony when bedtime comes, so no issue.
6. Never noticed any boot time, same as other AVR
7. Sub bump noise, never heard anything. This may be individual setup, and "noisy" cable runs at fault.
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post #2673 of 5256
1/2/12 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by bairdmj View Post

Is there a way on the 809 to separate video and audio between different HDMI inputs? For example, I'd like to see the VIDEO from my Dish Network receiver on one HDMI input, and hear audio from my Apple TV on another HDMI input. I know you can do this with HDMI and Analog inputs, but haven't figured out a way to do it with HDMI inputs only. Also, I'd like to separate video and audio between HDMI and the USB/NET inputs as well. Possible?

Thanks!

JChin has a good answer for this first part.

If you are not using Z2 or Z3, you could use their pre-out and feed it back into Tv/Cd. If you then unassigned the Tv/CD video (make it -"----").

You then
Setup Z2 to listen to USB or Net
select the video source you want
then Tv/CD Source

This should get you the video you require, with Sound from Net or USB. Other inputs could be used, you get the idea.

I bit of a faf, but it should work.

Apologies for repeating this from earlier posts.....
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post #2674 of 5256
1/2/12 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by pottsy View Post

Anyone had any issues passing through 1080p/24?

BDP-83 -> Onkyo (Direct picture mode) -> Pio KRP-500M

Every few minutes the picture will freeze for a fraction of a second. Like a single "jerk". All f/w is up to date, and if you connect the BD player directly to the plasma then there is no issue.

All fancy HDMI functions are off, I have tried with Deep colour on and off, OSD on/off. Other resolutions and frequencies are fine.

Not sure what you mean by "Direct picture Mode" - is Resolution in I/O Assign set to Source and the BD Source input set to "Direct"?
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post #2675 of 5256
1/2/12 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by charles norwich View Post

My monitor Audio speakers can be bi-amped.Would this be worthwhile with the 809? or would I be trading off some performance when using home cinema modes since all 7 channells of amplification would be in use?
Charles

Yes.
No trade off in 7.1

But you knew that already. ;-)
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post #2676 of 5256
1/2/12 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by rblum View Post

Could a Harmony remote work if I have no idevice? I don't understand the USB hard drive comment?

Harmony will work if the sequence of keys to achieve the on/off does not exceed the Harmony. a bit messy though.

The direct remote codes were posted a while back here too - that might prove useful.

It's not a feature which I find needs turning on/off regularly though. Can you just not leave it on?
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post #2677 of 5256
1/2/12 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

1. Yes, it shows up from HDMI Output 1 only - but can be switched off.
2. Z2 is Audio only.
3. No idea.
4. AirMusic App allows streaming, but a simple USB dock (eBay $4) is better, battery wise, but can only go in front, flap down, USB. Can be controlled via iPad then though.....
5. Off is off, Standby is 0.2w, but if you have HDMI Through switched on, or Net Control, 34w is typical. Net Control is used for ORemote App etc - but I use a power adaptor controlled by Harmony when bedtime comes, so no issue.
6. Never noticed any boot time, same as other AVR
7. Sub bump noise, never heard anything. This may be individual setup, and "noisy" cable runs at fault.

Thanks much for the responses. It's too bad about Z2 being audio only, that was going to make me pull the trigger if it would do audio and video both.
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post #2678 of 5256
1/2/12 at 6:45pm
Hello - I am new to this forum and I just purchased a new 809. I am experiencing an audio delay when playing a blu ray. I connected my BR player directly to my tv and there is no delay, which tells me the issue is with the receiver. I checked and found the lip sync is ON. I am at a loss as to what to do. Does anyone have the same issue and does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this problem ? Thanks.
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post #2679 of 5256
1/2/12 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi razrsharp, when HDMI Control is set to On ... HDMI Through is set to Auto automatically. When HDMI Control is set to "Off" ... HDMI Through is set to "Off" automatically but also gives the option settings of: Auto, a Selected Input (BD/DVD, VCR/DVR, CBL/SAT, GAME, PC, AUX, TV/CD, PHONO, PORT) and Last.

Yes I noticed that with HDMI control the last thing that displays is what had been previously connected to the AVR. It's almost like the only option is "Last". But this is what i'm trying to fix - i would like it to always revert back to Cable/Sat. Is there any way to do this?

Reason being, a likely scenario is that I'll be watching BD/Game/HTPC b4 going to bed. Wife/kid will wake up and find the tv not working, or still connected to HTPC or whatever. It'd be a pain to have to switch on the cable receiver, have the amp switch before shutting down the system - in fact I think that would outweigh the benefits of using HDMI control.
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post #2680 of 5256
1/2/12 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by razrsharp View Post

Yes I noticed that with HDMI control the last thing that displays is what had been previously connected to the AVR. It's almost like the only option is "Last". But this is what i'm trying to fix - i would like it to always revert back to Cable/Sat. Is there any way to do this?

Try going into Hardware Setup under HDMI and set "HDMI Through" to CBL/SAT.
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post #2681 of 5256
1/2/12 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Try going into Hardware Setup under HDMI and set "HDMI Through" to CBL/SAT.

Sorry perhaps I wasn't clear - I want to specify which "through" source is used when HDMI control is on, so that it's not automatic. Is there any way to do this?
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post #2682 of 5256
1/2/12 at 7:57pm
OK, so on the DUAL HDMI outs, if I want to dispaly the SAME input source on both HDMI outs at the same time, is that possible?

Reason, want to power to tv's at once for watching football. One at the bar, and another in the "main seating" area.

I hope this is possible...reading the manual just confused me. Although I did watch my first DTS via PS3 and I love how the 809 picked up the right setup, etc from the BlueRay.

Anyways, thanks in advance on the dual hdmi out!
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post #2683 of 5256
1/2/12 at 8:42pm
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

OK, so on the DUAL HDMI outs, if I want to dispaly the SAME input source on both HDMI outs at the same time, is that possible?

Reason, want to power to tv's at once for watching football. One at the bar, and another in the "main seating" area.

I hope this is possible...reading the manual just confused me. Although I did watch my first DTS via PS3 and I love how the 809 picked up the right setup, etc from the BlueRay.

Anyways, thanks in advance on the dual hdmi out!

You're in luck! I think that is the only way that it works.
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post #2684 of 5256
1/2/12 at 9:48pm
Are there discrete codes for the Harmony?
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post #2685 of 5256
1/2/12 at 10:56pm
I am setting up a Karaoke system and thinking about getting the Behringer XENYX 1202FX mixer.

I got a Bluray player, Onkyo 809, and soon the 1202FX.

For audio, I figure the Bluray player audio RCA goes to the 1202FX. The 1202FX RCA L/R goes to the Onkyo 809 AUX RCA L/R.

For video, if the Bluray HDMI goes to Onkyo 809. How would that work? I would need to Onkyo to use the Bluray HDMI for video input but the AUX RCA for audio?

If you think there is a better setup/mixer/etc, please share...

Thanks!
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post #2686 of 5256
1/3/12 at 2:04am
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

Not sure what you mean by "Direct picture Mode" - is Resolution in I/O Assign set to Source and the BD Source input set to "Direct"?

Yes, exactly that. So the 1080p/24 is being sent through unadulterated.
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post #2687 of 5256
1/3/12 at 3:56am
I think the problem is the auto lip-sync (HDMI 1.3).

The sound is going out of sync, then there is the jerk in the picture (new handshake?), and then the sound is in sync.

If I go to Setup - Hardware - HDMI - Lip Sync - Off

Then the sound is out of sync but the picture jerks stop.
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post #2688 of 5256
1/3/12 at 5:19am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

3. Is this 809 made in Japan, China, Taiwan?

Back of my unit says "Made in Malaysia"
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post #2689 of 5256
1/3/12 at 5:51am
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Originally Posted by charles norwich View Post

My monitor Audio speakers can be bi-amped.Would this be worthwhile with the 809? or would I be trading off some performance when using home cinema modes since all 7 channells of amplification would be in use?
Charles

No it would not. Using an AVR's "passive bi-amp" feature provides no real benefit. And yes, by utilizing all 7 CH you then reduce the available power to the other channels.
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post #2690 of 5256
1/3/12 at 7:32am
My Onkyo rebooted itself last night 3 times in a row - i mean serious reboots.

Some observations about this:
- I noticed that my HVAC system had just come on, and the lights dimmed HEAVILY every time the Onkyo rebooted (i mean much more than when you normally turn it on) - so I'm not sure if I was experiencing some kind of power surge/failure. All the other devices on the same power bar - HTPC, router, Cable Box, PS3 running Netflix were NOT affected at all however. In fact the PS3 did not even re-stream Netflix at all...
- As you may have read earlier I had been messing around with HDMI control settings between my TV, PS3 and AVR. While I recently decided to leave the control OFF - I noticed that I had it still left ON in the PS3 settings. After the resets i turned it off in the PS3, and did not experience any other issues. Don't know if this solved it, will report back.
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post #2691 of 5256
1/3/12 at 7:43am
Does anyone have info on how much the HQV Vida VHD1900 chip adds to input lag?

Does the chip pass though the signal if I input hdmi 1080p, and output is configured as 1080p as well? In that case I reckon the added lag shouldn't be that much, not in that case anyway.
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post #2692 of 5256
1/3/12 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


No it would not. Using an AVR's "passive bi-amp" feature provides no real benefit. And yes, by utilizing all 7 CH you then reduce the available power to the other channels.

No BiAmp
The tweeters are being driven by the Main L/R, along with the mid/low frequencies of the same Main L/R Channels - all from the same PSU.

BiAmp
Separate Channels for the tweeters, Main L/R for Mid/Low frequencies - all loadings from the same PSU

I don't see how the PSU can be significantly more loaded by BiAmping. Certainly not to be a detriment to the benefits of BiAmping, as mentioned in the Manual, "improved bass and treble performance".

I think the "High Current Power Supply with Massive High Power Transformer" from the 18kg unit will have been designed with this in mind.

Are you referring to extreme volume levels or some other experience ? This issue keeps coming up, and we differ in approach. Do you have any more info to share?

Thanks,
LL
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post #2693 of 5256
1/3/12 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

Harmony will work if the sequence of keys to achieve the on/off does not exceed the Harmony. a bit messy though.

The direct remote codes were posted a while back here too - that might prove useful.

It's not a feature which I find needs turning on/off regularly though. Can you just not leave it on?

If left on, it is in play when sources that do not require it are used. Examples: If playing an mp3 through my TiVo, I would want it on. When playing recorded or live TV through the TiVo, I'd want it off.

When playing an mp3 through my NeoTV550, I'd want it on, when playing a ripped CD (flac encoded) I would want it off.

Unless there is something in proper setup of sources and/or modes that would make selection automatic that I'm missing completely - which is very possible
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post #2694 of 5256
1/3/12 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by rblum View Post


If left on, it is in play when sources that do not require it are used. Examples: If playing an mp3 through my TiVo, I would want it on. When playing recorded or live TV through the TiVo, I'd want it off.

When playing an mp3 through my NeoTV550, I'd want it on, when playing a ripped CD (flac encoded) I would want it off.

Unless there is something in proper setup of sources and/or modes that would make selection automatic that I'm missing completely - which is very possible

See attached. Do any of these options open up possibilities for you?
LL
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post #2695 of 5256
1/3/12 at 12:27pm
Nightfly gave the full ir files a while back - the first is a code you might directly be able to get into the H1(?). The Hex code is for prontos, which can be loaded into H1 yourself, or an email to Logitech support will get it in there too. Other threads will be better if you need more help.

D21E 50 8A Music Optimizer(Wrap-Around Up)

0000 006c 0022 0002 0156 00ac 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0020 066F 0156 0056 0020 0E54

EDIT:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/remot...ny-remote.html
Just tried this, and I can confirm the Optimiser now works in my Harmony 1.
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post #2696 of 5256
1/3/12 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by razrsharp View Post

My Onkyo rebooted itself last night 3 times in a row - i mean serious reboots.

Some observations about this:
- I noticed that my HVAC system had just come on, and the lights dimmed HEAVILY every time the Onkyo rebooted (i mean much more than when you normally turn it on) - so I'm not sure if I was experiencing some kind of power surge/failure. All the other devices on the same power bar - HTPC, router, Cable Box, PS3 running Netflix were NOT affected at all however. In fact the PS3 did not even re-stream Netflix at all...
- As you may have read earlier I had been messing around with HDMI control settings between my TV, PS3 and AVR. While I recently decided to leave the control OFF - I noticed that I had it still left ON in the PS3 settings. After the resets i turned it off in the PS3, and did not experience any other issues. Don't know if this solved it, will report back.

So anyone experience reboots as i've described? Do I need to get myself a better power bar for this AVR? Currently I'm using this:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F9A1033.../dp/B00155RGHO
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post #2697 of 5256
1/3/12 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

Are you referring to extreme volume levels or some other experience ? This issue keeps coming up, and we differ in approach. Do you have any more info to share?

Thanks,

There are dozens of posts in these various forum threads that note from personal experience and technically there is no benefit to using the passive bi-amp feature on an AVR. The "benefits" you read about in the Owner's manual is simply marketing speak.
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post #2698 of 5256
1/3/12 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


There are dozens of posts in these various forum threads that note from personal experience and technically there is no benefit to using the passive bi-amp feature on an AVR. The "benefits" you read about in the Owner's manual is simply marketing speak.

I'll take a look for the technical ones - any links you recommend to start with?
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post #2699 of 5256
1/3/12 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by razrsharp View Post

So anyone experience reboots as i've described? Do I need to get myself a better power bar for this AVR? Currently I'm using this:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F9A1033.../dp/B00155RGHO

It sounds like you're having power dropouts, not surges. The link you posted is for a surge suppressor, which only protects against transient spikes, not dips. You may need an Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS), something similar to this.
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1/3/12 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Speqtre View Post

It sounds like you're having power dropouts, not surges. The link you posted is for a surge suppressor, which only protects against transient spikes, not dips. You may need an Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS), something similar to this.

Interesting, and a possibility for sure. Wouldn't any of my other components described shut down/reboot in addition to the AVR? I mean, the PS3 didn't even skip playing netflix...
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