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post #2701 of 5259
1/3/12 at 2:24pm
Man I tried to get through many of these pages and use the search function but here goes:

- After all my research, I've come to the conclusion that my fat ps3 will not allow the onkyo 809 to show any form of DTS (DTS, DTS HD, or DTS HD MA) on its screen even though the ps3 "select" screen shows it (using the linear pcm setting). In other words, the PS3 is processing that signal and probably passing it to the onkyo, but the onkyo for whatever reason will never display it on its end. Only alternative to force a DTS signal to show on the onkyo screen is to switch the ps3's audio stream to bitstream which though will show DTS on the onkyo, but it's not pushing out a DTS HD or DTS HD MA signal

- Many sources tell me this limitation is not there for the skinny ps3. Can anyone confirm? I'm trying to get the DTS HD/MA to show on the onkyo and make most use of my 7.1 setup.

-Is all this craziness not worth the difference in sound quality? Please advise.
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1/3/12 at 2:30pm
I've been struggling with the same thing...interesting to see what folks say !
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post #2703 of 5259
1/3/12 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by netjack View Post

Man I tried to get through many of these pages and use the search function but here goes:

- After all my research, I've come to the conclusion that my fat ps3 will not allow the onkyo 809 to show any form of DTS (DTS, DTS HD, or DTS HD MA) on its screen even though the ps3 "select" screen shows it (using the linear pcm setting). In other words, the PS3 is processing that signal and probably passing it to the onkyo, but the onkyo for whatever reason will never display it on its end. Only alternative to force a DTS signal to show on the onkyo screen is to switch the ps3's audio stream to bitstream which though will show DTS on the onkyo, but it's not pushing out a DTS HD or DTS HD MA signal

- Many sources tell me this limitation is not there for the skinny ps3. Can anyone confirm? I'm trying to get the DTS HD/MA to show on the onkyo and make most use of my 7.1 setup.

-Is all this craziness not worth the difference in sound quality? Please advise.


The ps3 fat and slim have a few differences.

Outputting the raw bitstream HD audio for the Amp to decode (and show dts hd-MA) is one of them. Being able to control the ps3 over HDMI (via ORemote) is another. Slim can do both.

However, if you set up the ps3 fat to output 5/7.1 LPCM over HDMI, and you get Multichannel on the Onkyo display, the sound quality is identical. It's just that it was decoded in the ps3. Both ways extract the lossless signals.

From the Onkyo perspective, it doesn't know what the original soundtrack was, DTS HD MA or Dolby True HD, just that it has LPCM signals to deal with. Hence no other display than Multichannel.

The ps3 thread explains better (sorry if incoherent!)
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post #2704 of 5259
1/3/12 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

The ps3 fat and slim have a few differences.

Outputting the raw bitstream HD audio for the Amp to decode (and show dts hd-MA) is one of them. Being able to control the ps3 over HDMI (via ORemote) is another. Slim can do both.

However, if you set up the ps3 fat to output 5/7.1 LPCM over HDMI, and you get Multichannel on the Onkyo display, the sound quality is identical. It's just that it was decoded in the ps3. Both ways extract the lossless signals.

From the Onkyo perspective, it doesn't know what the original soundtrack was, DTS HD MA or Dolby True HD, just that it has LPCM signals to deal with. Hence no other display than Multichannel.

The ps3 thread explains better (sorry if incoherent!)

Ok, boils down to all we are losing is the sexiness of the on screen display on the Onkyo
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post #2705 of 5259
1/3/12 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by netjack View Post

- Many sources tell me this limitation is not there for the skinny ps3. Can anyone confirm? I'm trying to get the DTS HD/MA to show on the onkyo and make most use of my 7.1 setup.

-Is all this craziness not worth the difference in sound quality? Please advise.

I can definitely confirm that the PS3 Slim DOES output DTS-MA 7.1 over HDMI. This was one of the reasons I initially returned the fat ps3 over a year ago.

Now as to the actual difference in sound quality - you'll have to research that some more. I'd imagine a lot has to do with the psychology of having that DTS-MA light up. If it's any consolation, I find the 809 doesn't have such a fantastic display of DTS-MA - previous receivers had either LEDs or logos that lit up once you got DTS to work - it made it feel special somehow lol. This Onkyo simply displays DTS-MA in the main readout area.
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post #2706 of 5259
1/3/12 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post


Ok, boils down to all we are losing is the sexiness of the on screen display on the Onkyo

Yes. I thought of switching out my ps3 fat, more due to the noise, no HDMI control, once I realised I got HD Audio.

But haven't done it yet - Oppo or Pana 310 being investigated. Hard to justify though.
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post #2707 of 5259
1/3/12 at 4:45pm
Multi-channel it is! I can't justify dumping the fatty just for that
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post #2708 of 5259
1/3/12 at 5:08pm
Does anyone know if the second zone can play from digital and analog inputs? Also, can I play to two zones from same input?

I would like to hook up a Sonos connect to Zone 2 going to ceiling speakers. But would also like the option of playing from the sonos input to both Zones 1 & 2 if I wanted. Is this possible?
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post #2709 of 5259
1/3/12 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by Dealwitme View Post

I'm finally ready to make the plunge on a new receiver. ill be replacing a HK 630 that has never given me a lick of trouble but its time to move on. I was planning on going back with a HK but after reading several reviews, ive been mostly disappointed. After doing some research, it seems the 809 is a great bang for the buck but this thread has me wondering about its quality. Any input would be great helping me decide if this is the right receiver me.

I finally pulled the trigger by ordering the 809 online tonight. I never thought that I would own anything else besides a HK receiver but after doing my research, the 809 is hard to pass up.
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post #2710 of 5259
1/3/12 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by admbe View Post

Does anyone know if the second zone can play from digital and analog inputs? Also, can I play to two zones from same input?

I would like to hook up a Sonos connect to Zone 2 going to ceiling speakers. But would also like the option of playing from the sonos input to both Zones 1 & 2 if I wanted. Is this possible?

To answer my first question, the second zone cannot play from digital sources. Page 68 of the manual..

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Only analog input sources are output by the ZONE 2/3
PRE/LINE OUT and FRONT WIDE/ZONE 2 L/R terminals.
Digital input sources are not output. If no sound is heard when
an input source is selected, verify that the source is connected to
an analog input

I still don't know if I could play to both zones using the same analog input source. I would love to know!
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post #2711 of 5259
1/3/12 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by admbe View Post

To answer my first question, the second zone cannot play from digital sources. Page 68 of the manual..



I still don't know if I could play to both zones using the same analog input source. I would love to know!

The only digital source you can use in zone 2 is NET (vtuner, pandora, dlna, etc). If you use the analog outputs of your Sonos, you can listen to it in any/all zones at the same time.
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post #2712 of 5259
1/4/12 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by admbe View Post


To answer my first question, the second zone cannot play from digital sources. Page 68 of the manual..

I still don't know if I could play to both zones using the same analog input source. I would love to know!

USB front (iPhone) should also be available for either/or both Z2/Z3. As well as the Net stuff. Probably Tuner too.

See p19 of manual, item 4 - these are the Digital Inputs I believe the manual refers to as NOT available.

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post #2713 of 5259
1/4/12 at 10:26am
In the market for a new receiver.

All things being considered from current owners... Are there ANY other considerations/receivers I should consider for the price?
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post #2714 of 5259
1/4/12 at 11:01am
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See attached. Do any of these options open up possibilities for you?

No, because the standard flac ripped CD music file is 44.1 kHz, so the optimizer would be on for those as well as mp3 files which are the ones that need it...

But, your next post appears to show the way to adding the codes to my Harmony, if it works with a Harmony 700. I'll let you know. Thanks!
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post #2715 of 5259
1/4/12 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by razrsharp View Post

I can definitely confirm that the PS3 Slim DOES output DTS-MA 7.1 over HDMI. This was one of the reasons I initially returned the fat ps3 over a year ago.

Now as to the actual difference in sound quality - you'll have to research that some more. I'd imagine a lot has to do with the psychology of having that DTS-MA light up. If it's any consolation, I find the 809 doesn't have such a fantastic display of DTS-MA - previous receivers had either LEDs or logos that lit up once you got DTS to work - it made it feel special somehow lol. This Onkyo simply displays DTS-MA in the main readout area.

Out of curiosity, does the slim PS3 support 3D video as well as HD audio when HDMI connected via the Onkyo 809?
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post #2716 of 5259
1/4/12 at 4:23pm
^^
An update a few months back to the PS3 added the ability to pass DTS HD-MA and DTS-HD HR audio with 3D video, but as of yet, cannot pass DD TrueHD.
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post #2717 of 5259
1/4/12 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by razrsharp View Post

Now as to the actual difference in sound quality - you'll have to research that some more.

No need ... decoding of the DD/DTS audio is similar to unzipping a computer file ... it's simply the process of decompressing the original file to it's full size, nothing more nothing less.
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post #2718 of 5259
1/4/12 at 7:55pm
after months of flawless use from the 809 i've suddently had a ton of problems in the past week.

first, i completely lost all output from HDMI main. the sub hdmi did work however. after updating to the december firmware somehow magically this was fixed. so now the HDMI main works no idea why it wasn't working, but the picture is much softer on my projector with the same settings.

now, all of a suddent i cannot get this goddamn 809 to connect to the network plugging it in directly to my router. neither Oremote nor the android onkyo app or the ios onkyo app see the receiver anymore. i've tried everything - giving it a static IP address. port forwarding, etc.

any ideas?
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post #2719 of 5259
1/4/12 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by tipton View Post

now, all of a suddent i cannot get this goddamn 809 to connect to the network plugging it in directly to my router. neither Oremote nor the android onkyo app or the ios onkyo app see the receiver anymore. i've tried everything - giving it a static IP address. port forwarding, etc.

any ideas?

Leave DHCP turned on just assign a static route (i.e. attach the mac address of the 809 to whatever IP you want, like 192.168.1.9). Unplug both router and 809 for a couple minutes, plug in router, then plug in 809. Mine has been finicky in the past and unplugging them both for a short time always seems to resolve the issue.
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post #2720 of 5259
1/4/12 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by PlethoraGreen View Post

Leave DHCP turned on just assign a static route (i.e. attach the mac address of the 809 to whatever IP you want, like 192.168.1.9). Unplug both router and 809 for a couple minutes, plug in router, then plug in 809. Mine has been finicky in the past and unplugging them both for a short time always seems to resolve the issue.

you can't give the 809 a static IP with DHCP turned on though can you? i tried that before and was unable unless it was turned off.
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post #2721 of 5259
1/4/12 at 8:18pm
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you can't give the 809 a static IP with DHCP turned on though can you? i tried that before and was unable unless it was turned off.

You can assign a "static route" IP on the router. The device will resolve an IP using DHCP, but based on mac address you can make it whatever IP you want. It's probably listed somewhere on the router as "DHCP Reservation".

So just makes sure both devices are using DHCP and let the router do the rest. Pretty sure it's the 809 that's giving you fits. It's the only device of mine that has trouble pulling an IP from time to time and the unplug has always worked.
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post #2722 of 5259
1/4/12 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by PlethoraGreen View Post

You can assign a "static route" IP on the router. The device will resolve an IP using DHCP, but based on mac address you can make it whatever IP you want. It's probably listed somewhere on the router as "DHCP Reservation".

So just makes sure both devices are using DHCP and let the router do the rest. Pretty sure it's the 809 that's giving you fits. It's the only device of mine that has trouble pulling an IP from time to time and the unplug has always worked.

wow, this worked perfectly. thanks so much for the tip.

no idea how it worked fine for months and has just started this but hopefully that problem is gone.
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post #2723 of 5259
1/4/12 at 9:57pm
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Originally Posted by PlethoraGreen View Post

Leave DHCP turned on just assign a static route (i.e. attach the mac address of the 809 to whatever IP you want, like 192.168.1.9). Unplug both router and 809 for a couple minutes, plug in router, then plug in 809. Mine has been finicky in the past and unplugging them both for a short time always seems to resolve the issue.

Second this. Good advice.
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post #2724 of 5259
1/4/12 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
An update a few months back to the PS3 added the ability to pass DTS HD-MA and DTS-HD HR audio with 3D video, but as of yet, cannot pass DD TrueHD.

Ah what a drag. Thanks though.
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1/5/12 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by tipton View Post

wow, this worked perfectly. thanks so much for the tip.

no idea how it worked fine for months and has just started this but hopefully that problem is gone.

Glad that solved the problem.

I had to do the same thing when I first set mine up. Out of the box the networking was fine, but after the first firmware update it started acting up and I posted here in a frantic because I was overthinking everything and couldn't get it to work. As always it turned out to be the simple fix.
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1/5/12 at 9:07am
I have had the 805 for a few years, and have had no complaints other than noticing an occasional lip sync problem (which is likely my cable DVR box). I don't have 3D or height channel speakers, but wondered if sound or other performance improvements are enough to upgrade? My upgrade-itis is kicking in.
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post #2727 of 5259
1/5/12 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by Joe Pick View Post

I have had the 805 for a few years, and have had no complaints other than noticing an occasional lip sync problem (which is likely my cable DVR box). I don't have 3D or height channel speakers, but wondered if sound or other performance improvements are enough to upgrade? My upgrade-itis is kicking in.

I upgraded from an 805 a few months ago. One reason I upgraded was for the extra HDMI ports. I do not use 3D nor do I have more than a 5.1 system. One pleasant surprise is that the 809 runs much cooler than the 805. I also like the remote much better. I have not yet used the NET or USB functions, but those seem like nice additions. I am certainly neither an audiophile nor a videophile, but both the audio and video seem fine to me. I was concerned that the weight was 10 pounds less, and wondered if that was linked to something being downgraded, but if that is true, I do not know what was downgraded. I'm happy so far.

Gregg
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post #2728 of 5259
1/5/12 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by TXSTYLE View Post

In the market for a new receiver.

All things being considered from current owners... Are there ANY other considerations/receivers I should consider for the price?

I take this as a no...
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1/5/12 at 11:43am
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I take this as a no...

For me, it was the 809 vs the Denon 2312 or Pioneer Elite VSX-53 (branded as pioneer VSX-1326-K in Canada).

I had bad experiences with Pioneer being compatible with my equipment in the past... Otherwise if the Denon were closer to the Onkyo's price I may have gone that way, but I don't think I'd be any better off. I may pickup and old Apple TV1 used just to get airplay though.
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1/5/12 at 11:44am
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I take this as a no...

Check out the new Aventage line from Yamaha. The RXA 2000 or 2010 is around the same retail price. I have the 809 and am very happy with my setup with Monitor Audio Silver RX speakers.
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