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post #4171 of 5259
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Originally Posted by ltd76gold View Post

Quick question.

Can firmware updates be performed with the USB wireless dongle?

Thanks,

Doug k

It is possible but I would not risk it. I have the wirless dongle and I get occassional signal dropouts. That would not be a good thing when updating the firmware. I have done all of my updates with a USB stick without issue. BTW: I eventually ditched the dongle for a Dlink Dap 1522 Bridge and I am much happier with my signal strength to my Onkyo and my BR player.
post #4172 of 5259
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Originally Posted by bkrieger View Post

I am wondering if someone can help me. I have a 55" Panasonic TC-P55VT30. I have an Onkyo TX-NR809 Surround Sound System. Whenever I watch TV or most other sources, my surround sound works fine. However, when I go into Vierra Connect through the TV to watch netflix or youtube videos, I can't get the sound to go through the surround sound. It only comes through the TV speakers. I have an additional HDMI cable running from HDMI port 2 of the TV to the receiver, and it still doesn't work. If someone has advice on how to get this to work, I would appreciate it. Thanks

Is your AVR feeding the signal to the TV from the Main HDMI Output.?

If so, you will find Onkyo Menu 7.4 comes into play. I suspect you already have HDMI Control enabled. You should then select Audio Return Channel.

See attached from manual.

If this does not work for you, I think (and my recommendation) would be to use an optical output from the TV back to the AVR and assign it. That way you can set it up as a unique Source, and exactly how you like it (preset listening modes for example).
LL
post #4173 of 5259
A question for the experts:
When watching TV and the content switches from Dolby 2 channel to Dolby 5 channel, I see the 809 front display flash a message; something like "dialog norm" plus a db value that ranges from -3 to +2 (at least that I've noticed so far). I have it set up to just decode 5 channel, so the display quickly changes to just Dolby D. For 2 channel, I apply Dolby PL II movie and that is what is on the display.

What is this message telling me?
post #4174 of 5259
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Originally Posted by CCSchoch View Post

For anyone having streaming issues w/ WMP11, just found this link on an Onkyo support forum. I am yet to try this, but sounds like it works...

http://onkyoproductsupport.forumotio...sic-using-dlna

Performed what the link suggested in my Firewall settings and BAM, problem solved. SO, odd thought the firmware update caused my issue. Oh well, it's fixed!!!!

Even I use Mcafee, and changed the settings but the problem persists, any suggestions
post #4175 of 5259
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Originally Posted by rblum View Post

A question for the experts:
When watching TV and the content switches from Dolby 2 channel to Dolby 5 channel, I see the 809 front display flash a message; something like "dialog norm" plus a db value that ranges from -3 to +2 (at least that I've noticed so far). I have it set up to just decode 5 channel, so the display quickly changes to just Dolby D. For 2 channel, I apply Dolby PL II movie and that is what is on the display.

What is this message telling me?

In the absence of experts:- I checked wikipedia

"Dialnorm is the meta-data parameter that controls playback gain within the Dolby Laboratories Dolby Digital (AC-3) audio compression system. Dialnorm is an integer value with range 1 to 31 corresponding to a playback gain of -30 to 0 dB (unity) respectively. Higher values afford more headroom and are appropriate for dynamic material such as an action film.
Dolby recommends that the dialnorm value be determined by measurement of average dialog level in the encoded audio of every program. The recommended approach derives the absolute value of a power sum of the A-weighted audio level in all digital channels. If every producer and distributor uses this method, consumer dialog levels will be consistent from program to program and channel to channel. The dialog levels will be "normalized" - hence the abbreviation "dialog normalization"."
post #4176 of 5259
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

1. Onkyo Menu item 2.2 LPF of LFE should always be 120HZ (reason- the dedicated LFE channel, the ".1" can have frequencies upto 120 HZ sent to it by the Studio Sound Mixers. This setting should NOT be a variable, as if you set it lower, it will not be diverted elsewhere, just LOST). Leave to default, 120hz.

2. Some people like to alter speaker levels, but the Audyssey Dynamic EQ will not be aware of this change, so if you listen at less than 82dB, the "adjustment" made by Dynamic EQ may be slightly out.

3. IntelliVolume is used to adjust for differences BETWEEN different Source Inputs, to reduce volme surprises when switching between Sources. It's not going to do anything for the issue you report.


To be clear for recent posters, the volume does behave like traditional volume knobs, it is not linear. I would expect listening volumes for most people would be between 50 and 75db.


Thank you.

I will change the LPF of LFE 30 120Hz as suggested.
About the db (50 - 75db), is that the "absolute value" or "relative". My guess is absolute. For relative it would be too low. What I have seen is, we need about -40db to -35db relative setting for listening.
post #4177 of 5259
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post


Thank you.

I will change the LPF of LFE 30 120Hz as suggested.
About the db (50 - 75db), is that the "absolute value" or "relative". My guess is absolute. For relative it would be too low. What I have seen is, we need about -40db to -35db relative setting for listening.

I have mine set to absolute -

Theatre Ref level = 82db on mine. If you use relative, then it's 0db.

Absolute:- 50 to 75db
Relative:- -32 to - 8db

Would be the same "low to high" range of volume that most people would use. Unless you like it really LOUD!
post #4178 of 5259
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

I have mine set to absolute -

Theatre Ref level = 82db on mine. If you use relative, then it's 0db.

Absolute:- 50 to 75db
Relative:- -32 to - 8db

Would be the same "low to high" range of volume that most people would use. Unless you like it really LOUD!

Ok. So I am not deaf..
-35db (relative) works pretty well for me.
post #4179 of 5259
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

In the absence of experts:- I checked wikipedia

"Dialnorm is the meta-data parameter that controls playback gain within the Dolby Laboratories Dolby Digital (AC-3) audio compression system. Dialnorm is an integer value with range 1 to 31 corresponding to a playback gain of -30 to 0 dB (unity) respectively. Higher values afford more headroom and are appropriate for dynamic material such as an action film.
Dolby recommends that the dialnorm value be determined by measurement of average dialog level in the encoded audio of every program. The recommended approach derives the absolute value of a power sum of the A-weighted audio level in all digital channels. If every producer and distributor uses this method, consumer dialog levels will be consistent from program to program and channel to channel. The dialog levels will be "normalized" - hence the abbreviation "dialog normalization"."

Thanks much for that. I assume you see similar messages? So, not only is Google my friend, but Wikipedia as well....

Thanks!
post #4180 of 5259
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Originally Posted by rblum View Post

Thanks much for that. I assume you see similar messages? So, not only is Google my friend, but Wikipedia as well....

Thanks!

I get the same message, its fine.
post #4181 of 5259
I take it back on not using the network functionality much on this receiver. The DLNA functionality is pretty awesome. I love that I can stream my music with nary a wire.

For some reason my Video and Picture folder are showing up with a red "x" through them, but I haven't tried troubleshooting that issue yet.
post #4182 of 5259
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Originally Posted by jakeneff View Post

I take it back on not using the network functionality much on this receiver. The DLNA functionality is pretty awesome. I love that I can stream my music with nary a wire.

For some reason my Video and Picture folder are showing up with a red "x" through them, but I haven't tried troubleshooting that issue yet.

The Onkyos only support streaming audio.
post #4183 of 5259
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

The Onkyos only support streaming audio.

Then I guess it's nothing I need to troubleshoot. Why even have the software display a video and picture option, then, red x or not?
post #4184 of 5259
I've noticed that the 809 was reviewed but not tested (notice how in the article comments in the link below, someone asked why it wasn't tested and received an answer in a following post..). http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/recei...html?showall=1

Does anyone know of test results for the 809? I'm especially interested in 5 or 7 channels driven into 8 ohms. How many watts can it output with low THD.. would be interesting to know.
post #4185 of 5259
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Originally Posted by CCSchoch View Post

For anyone having streaming issues w/ WMP11, just found this link on an Onkyo support forum. I am yet to try this, but sounds like it works...

http://onkyoproductsupport.forumotio...sic-using-dlna

Performed what the link suggested in my Firewall settings and BAM, problem solved. SO, odd thought the firmware update caused my issue. Oh well, it's fixed!!!!



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Originally Posted by DeepakIMT View Post

Thanks. My wife was nagging that connection was getting lost but I was ignoring. Cheers!

Not a problem. I've been helped out on this forum so numerous of times, I was glad to finally contribute to helping solve an issue rather than just keep asking and asking and asking.
post #4186 of 5259
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Originally Posted by DeepakIMT View Post

Even I use Mcafee, and changed the settings but the problem persists, any suggestions

Guess I spoke to soon. I'd suggest going over to that link I provided, and reach out to the person who put those instructions up. He obviously knows his stuff since he figured that portion out, and the Onkyo Tech Support personel couldn't do it.

Good luck and keep us(me) posted on your findings.
post #4187 of 5259
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Originally Posted by 3DFREAK View Post

Just got the 809 and am VERY happy with it! I had the 608 for about a year, but a friend gave up on his 809 because of too many video problems so he offered the 809 to me and I snagged it. He had a lot more things running through it, but I only have a blu-ray, laser disc and att and so far I love it! A big imprvement from the 608. MORE POWERRRRRRRR YAAAAAAAAAA
Anyway, I am wondering why after running Audyssey, the 809 set the speaker levels to all negative values, like way negative -6's and -7's. It sounds good but I'm just curious. Any ideas?


I currently own a 608 and the 809 is one of the receivers I am considering for an upgrade. As you too have laser discs, I am curious as to the quality of the 809's video up-converting of laser discs. The 608 is quite poor and is one of the reasons I am searching for an upgrade.

Thanks.
post #4188 of 5259
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Originally Posted by The Scott View Post

I currently own a 608 and the 809 is one of the receivers I am considering for an upgrade. As you too have laser discs, I am curious as to the quality of the 809's video up-converting of laser discs. The 608 is quite poor and is one of the reasons I am searching for an upgrade.

Thanks.

In terms of video processing in an AVR, the 809 has HQV Vida, hard to beat. And it seems like Onkyo implemented the chip properly, something that can't be taken for granted with manufacturers.. Not sure about laser disc upconversion, but it does a great job for TV and DVDs, I would assume it would be the same for laser discs, but I could be wrong.
post #4189 of 5259
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

In terms of video processing in an AVR, the 809 has HQV Vida, hard to beat. And it seems like Onkyo implemented the chip properly, something that can't be taken for granted with manufacturers.. Not sure about laser disc upconversion, but it does a great job for TV and DVDs, I would assume it would be the same for laser discs, but I could be wrong.

Thanks!

My 608 bumps it to (somewhere around) 720 X 408 which on my Samsung 56" DLP is passable. I remember when the laser disc was so sharp on my Sony XB class tube!

I may need "upgrading" to a smaller LED, LCD or plasma screen soon after doing the receiver upgrade.
post #4190 of 5259
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

In terms of video processing in an AVR, the 809 has HQV Vida, hard to beat. And it seems like Onkyo implemented the chip properly, something that can't be taken for granted with manufacturers.. Not sure about laser disc upconversion, but it does a great job for TV and DVDs, I would assume it would be the same for laser discs, but I could be wrong.

My 809 does a vastly superior job of upscaling to 1080p than my Optoma HD3300 3d projector does. Anything less than 1080p and the Optoma showed a lot of deinterlacing artifacts. The 809 does a great job. You just want to avoid the video presets that do weird things to the color and stick with CUSTOM if you want upconversion and use DIRECT for sources you don't want scaled.
post #4191 of 5259
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

The Onkyos only support streaming audio.

Guess I don't need to spend the money for the WiFi dongle then. What a joke. I'm pretty unimpressed with the various DNLA implementations I've tried so far. Slow, clunky interfaces with total lack of features like fast forward & rewind. Certainly doesn't live up to the hype.
post #4192 of 5259
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Originally Posted by dr_gallup View Post


Guess I don't need to spend the money for the WiFi dongle then. What a joke. I'm pretty unimpressed with the various DNLA implementations I've tried so far. Slow, clunky interfaces with total lack of features like fast forward & rewind. Certainly doesn't live up to the hype.

DLNA is very overrated on all devices. All the trouble people have with WMP, dongles etc, it can be done much better with a dedicated device.

I use Squeezeboxes - they are fantastic, especially with the likes of iPeng Apps. The Touch version has an in-built server too, so no need for a NAS or PC if you have a small library.
post #4193 of 5259
I just plugged my Grace Digital Allegro radio into my 608's front aux input and bingo, bango, bongo! Internet radio, including Pandora.

Not as cool (and certainly tackier with a cable draping down the front of the receiver!) but until I decide upon a new receiver it will do. I could still use the video improvements offered by the superior chip set/decoding of the higher end 809/709/818 et al. The ability to tune internet stations on the receiver itself will now be a bonus.

I have noticed that even with a pair of very efficient Klipsch V36 speakers up front my 608 is not nearly as powerful (read: LOUD) as the DPR1001 it replaced. A disappointment to be sure given that the rated power of the HK is 50 watts per channel and the Onkyo is 100.
post #4194 of 5259
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

DLNA is very overrated on all devices. All the trouble people have with WMP, dongles etc, it can be done much better with a dedicated device.

I use Squeezeboxes - they are fantastic, especially with the likes of iPeng Apps. The Touch version has an in-built server too, so no need for a NAS or PC if you have a small library.

I've had excellent results with the XBOX 360.
post #4195 of 5259
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Originally Posted by The Scott View Post

I could still use the video improvements offered by the superior chip set/decoding of the higher end 809/709/818 et al.

The Marvell Qdeo chip does all upscaling (up to 1080p and 4k..) in the 709, whereas the HQV Vida chip does up to 1080p in the 809/818, and the Marvell Qdeo chip does 4k. I think most would agree that the performance of the HQV chip is superior to Marvell. I had a 609 for a week, returned it for an 809, couldn't be happier now, I didn't really like the SDTV and HDTV performance from the 609 (Marvell).
post #4196 of 5259
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

My 809 does a vastly superior job of upscaling to 1080p than my Optoma HD3300 3d projector does. Anything less than 1080p and the Optoma showed a lot of deinterlacing artifacts. The 809 does a great job. You just want to avoid the video presets that do weird things to the color and stick with CUSTOM if you want upconversion and use DIRECT for sources you don't want scaled.

I also use DIRECT for anything I don't want touched (BD, PS3 games), but for anything else I watch (1080i HDTV and DVDs) I use THROUGH mode since all it does is upconvert to 1080p, CUSTOM mode leaves a a whole bunch of options that can be tweaked (although you could leave everything at off/default if you wanted to).

I haven't played around with the different noise reduction options available in the 809, I'm not sure how effective they are, historically noise reduction in upconverting/deinterlacing chips hasnt been very efficient in doing a good job of cleaning up the noise without significantly softening the picture. I would be interested to know what people here think about the noise reduction performance of the HQV chip in the 809, for SDTV/HDTV and DVDs.

Currently I just use through mode but I do pass my cable feed through an Algolith Mosquito before sending it to the 809 - still the best noise reduction option available today IMO.
post #4197 of 5259
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post


I also use DIRECT for anything I don't want touched (BD, PS3 games), but for anything else I watch (1080i HDTV and DVDs) I use THROUGH mode since all it does is upconvert to 1080p, CUSTOM mode leaves a a whole bunch of options that can be tweaked (although you could leave everything at off/default if you wanted to).

I haven't played around with the different noise reduction options available in the 809, I'm not sure how effective they are, historically noise reduction in upconverting/deinterlacing chips hasnt been very efficient in doing a good job of cleaning up the noise without significantly softening the picture. I would be interested to know what people here think about the noise reduction performance of the HQV chip in the 809, for SDTV/HDTV and DVDs.

Currently I just use through mode but I do pass my cable feed through an Algolith Mosquito before sending it to the 809 - still the best noise reduction option available today IMO.


Through (along with Streaming, Cinema, Games etc) changes the Contrast, and greyscale position ie inaccurate for ALL colours. I would never recommend it. Stick with Direct (as above), or the Custom or ISF modes if you need to play with Resolution, etc.

Search for "D65" for early posts in this thread for graphs showing this.
post #4198 of 5259
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Thanks, good to know. I put it back in custom mode and kept everything at off/default for now. I like the ISF Night mode also, looks good anyways..

What about noise reduction - what do you think about those options? Overall setting, or individual settings for mosquito, random and block noise reduction? And why not throw in edge enhancement in there also, anyone use that setting or just leave it off?
post #4199 of 5259
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

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Thanks, good to know. I put it back in custom mode and kept everything at off/default for now. I like the ISF Night mode also, looks good anyways..

What about noise reduction - what do you think about those options? Overall setting, or individual settings for mosquito, random and block noise reduction? And why not throw in edge enhancement in there also, anyone use that setting or just leave it off?

The rule of thumb, IMO, is if the signal is from a HD source, it should have little post processing done on it. Eg. BR source, everything off, and Direct.

For SD/DVD sources, I still leave off, but I know this is not as clear cut. Equipment and broadcaster/material dependant.
Edge enhancement - its one of the worst features. It actually introduces defects to increase the contrast between objects. Sharpness is the same on your TV.
post #4200 of 5259
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Thx for your input. I agree, I leave sharpness setting at zero on TV, and EE off on the 809.
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