"Official" Onkyo TX-NR809 Thread - Page 141

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Hello all,I was curious to know if any owners of the 809 have had any of the no sound no speaker icons that plagued the 807.
I'm waiting on a replacement 809 and am debating on whether or not to keep it or sell it.
Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
P.S. Anyone here using an 809 replacement?If so,was it new or refurbed?

Getting an 809 for an 807 sounds like a deal. If you don't like it, move it on, but you will mostly find only fans in here.

Does anybody know if you can put flac files on a usb jump drive, and play them on the 809? I am a complete novice about such matters. What I want to be able to do is download 96/24 and 192/24 music from HDTracks and play them on my 809.

hey guys wanted an opinion on a deal open box ,486$ free shipping is that good ? i mean it is not sealed but at that price it is almost a steal right ? any input would be appreciated ,open box i guess means there might be missing something or whatever it is a newegg deal

I've purchased a few open box items from newegg, speakers and computer parts and such, and in all cases the items I received were in new condition with all accessories and literature included. I wouldn't hesitate on that open box deal for the 809, that is a fantastic deal for this receiver.

I got one from jr and no issues at all..
BTW newegg is OOS. So you know how hot this is...

thank you so much guys, i am ordering asap .will report later

Yea that someone was me. I'm a little suspect of it's actual power output. I never did find any benchmarks for its power anywhere.

Let's take a poll, so that we know the average here.

What is your volume level for movie watching? Please do not include anything other than movie (like music, etc.). You can specify it either absolute or relative (whatever you use)

Absolute =
or
Relative =

Let's "hear" it folks..

Ok....I am starting to hate HDMI. I just recently purchased the TX-NR809 to replace my HTS 9100THX receiver that was off for repair. Why? Bad HDMI board of course.

Anyhow, I don't know if it's the receiver, or my PS3 or what.....but has anyone else had this issue? The frequency of occurrence of this problem ranges from almost always and nearly unusable......to almost never.........to somewhere in between. So very intermittent and hard to consistently reproduce. When trying to watch a Blu Ray through my PS3, while the disk is initializing, it's like....I dunno, it "times out" or something. The receiver will start flashing "hdmi" and then display "no signal" and it will just hang there with no signal and no output (sound or video). If I quickly switch the receiver off and back on the Blu Ray picks right back up where it left off and plays as if there was no problem whatsoever. But having to cycle the power on the receiver to get a Blu Ray to play is a pretty obnoxious extra step. If it helps at all, it's the old school "fat" PS3.

Also, I can't seem to get my Xbox to display video properly when hooked up to the receiver. Again, I have the original Xbox and use a VGA cable, and when connected to the Onkyo PC vga input, I don't get the image displayed correctly or at all. I "fixed" this problem by just setting it up as I did with my old 9100THX....running the VGA cable directly to the TV, and the optical cable to the Onkyo for sound. But I was hoping with the VGA input on the 809 I could limit the number of cables going to my TV down to just the one hdmi output from the 809. Again....any ideas? Any similar experiences?

Oh, also, if it matters my TV is a Panasonic TCP50g10 plasma.

Thank you in advance for any input anyone can offer!

And I know it is far more common to report displeasure than praise......so I feel I should include at least this:

The picture on my Panasonic plasma has never looked so "HIGH DEF"! Now.....does that mean the 809 is doing something dramatic to the picture? I doubt it since I have the picture adjust set to "direct." But what that does make me believe is that the receiver from my HTS 9100thx system was in some way degrading my picture quality. I have, since first receiving my 50" Panasonic plasma screen felt that it's Blu Ray performance.....uninspiring. For years I thought that it was just my tv......or worse yet, my ability to critically evaluate my tv. The picture always looked "decent" but never what I thought I saw when looking at other people's "high def" tvs......or what I'd see in stores. Finally, when watching Blu Ray movies...I feel like I am seeing a truly high definition picture.

Don't know if this is praise for the 809 or simply caution against the 9100.

Could you please share how and what to check with the SPL meter. ( I have one from Radioshack).

Is it the speaker level sound that we should play (keeping the SPL meter at listening position in C weigthing-slow)?

The Audyssey provided microphone calibration is allowed for in the Onkyo setup, for the sweep frequencies during the Test. Onkyo is set up for these. The method HDTV refers to is probably checking the pink noise "Test" signal.

Essentially he would look to ensure that all speakers produce the same reading. This is not the same thing as above, especially considering the accuracy of your RS meter and that pink noise frequency's is different.

If it reads the same, great, if it doesn't, but within 3db, don't worry. In fact, I wouldn't change anything based from the SPL meter readings. If Audyssey got it wrong, it was probably to do with how you set up and took the readings (quick setup etc).

Edited by wl1 - 7/7/12 at 9:24am

Does anyone know the exact frequency of the pink noise (test tone) generated by 809?
I think RS meter need to have correction based on the frequency.

It's a frequency range.

P53 in manual will give you some info to search

Thank you..

Sorry demiller didnt meen to qoute ya. Anyway room corrections are a good starting point but I almost always get better results setting up the NR809 or all my other AVRs and pre/pros with an SPL meter C weighed , slow, and adjust trim to make each speaker produce 75db and you will then b able to have your movie volumes highest point to be closer to 0db or reference. You hear more of what the movie mixers results were and what was intended. I want to be able to hear a little bit of my rooms modes in my sound. My room is on the side of being dampend but not dead. Of course each rooms different but in my current basement HT, taming my rooms natural modes hurts my sound. It deadends it and tends to always tame and turn the sound into a more relaxed sound. I enjoy a lively sound for movie playback but not colored or too bright. My Elite Pio with MCACC was same way. Inconsitent readings. My THX and ISF certified audio and video calibrator is not the biggest fan of these room auto-setups either with the Trinnov being the exception. Audyssey Multi XT is a better version of Audyssey but the XT32 is better. Thing is you can do multiple Audyssey runs and get similar yet different results each time. I just don't want new enthusiasts to use Audyssey than call it quits. It's all about trial and error to get best results. One should really really get to know there AVRs features and try some experimenting. You'll learn alot along the way.

Are you judging multiple Audyssey runs on the db, distance and crossover values you can see? What about the Room Correction element, the hundreds of filters which make adjustment in the time and frequency domain? Which are not displayed within the AVR.

I would hazard a guess most people do not listen at home, at reference. If you do, then adjusting trim levels will not make much difference.

But for those who go on to use Dynamic EQ too, adjusting trim levels will make that technology worse too.

I am curious if your calibrator leaves Audyssey MultEQ XT turned On or Off?

I did run Audyssey meticulously today and have following results to share.
After Audyssey, I took measurements with RS SPL meter in C weighting and slow response, both Raw (using test tones from NR809) and using DVE (6.1 Limited bandwidth pink noise and Full bandwidth pink noise).
I tend to lean to the levels shown by SPL. But the DVE full bandwidth test shows something different. I would really appreciate your help in setting it right.

First my speakers (All JBL Northridge E series)

Front mains : JBL E80
Center : JBL EC25
Surrounds : JBL E10
Subwoofer : ED A2-300

Here are the results

Speaker

Audyssey-1

Audyssey-2

Audyssey-3

SPL Measurement

Dist

Config

Level

Dist

Config

Level

Dist

Config

Level

Raw

DVE Lim

DVE Full

Front Left

12.0 ft

40Hz

-6.5

12.0 ft

40Hz

-6.5

12.0 ft

40Hz

-6.5

70db

71.5db

75.5db

Center

12.0 ft

40Hz

-4.5

12.0 ft

40Hz

-5.0

12.0 ft

40Hz

-5.0

71db

72.5db

77db

Front Right

12.0ft

40Hz

-5.0

12.0ft

40Hz

-5.0

12.0ft

40Hz

-5.0

70db

71.5db

76db

Surr Right

6.5 ft

60Hz

-3.5

6.5 ft

60Hz

-3.5

6.5 ft

60Hz

-3.5

70db

71db

76db

Surr Bk Right

6.0 ft

60Hz

-4.0

6.0 ft

60Hz

-4.0

6.0 ft

60Hz

-4.0

69db

69db

73db

Surr Bk Left

6.0 ft

60Hz

-3.0

6.0 ft

60Hz

-3.0

6.0 ft

60Hz

-3.0

69db

69db

73db

Surr Left

6.5 ft

60Hz

-3.5

6.5 ft

60Hz

-3.5

6.5 ft

60Hz

-3.5

70db

71db

76db

Subwoofer

14.5 ft

0.5

14.0 ft

1.0

14.0 ft

1.0

70db

79db

80db

So, should I increase the level as shown by SPL RAW???

Any other tips please. I have already set the LPF to LFE to 120Hz

I think you are wasting your time. There is nothing wrong with your Audyssey results, and no relevant correlation to a completely different measurement system in your SPL readings.

Re-read some of the posts above. By all means, keep playing with your SPL if you believe you are making progress.

I agree. But I tend to feel that the bass is weaker (so is center channel).
I noticed that on my first Audyssey run and hence thought of "wasting" some time today.
I will give it a shot by increasing the levels with reference to SPL readings, however just wanted to make sure that is is not a no no.
(I read somewhere in the thread about +3db increase, that may be one of the bias in these tests)

The purpose of Audyssey MultEQ XT is to reduce the impact of your room on the overall response of your system.

Weak sounding bass might be actually be better, if you had booming uncontrolled reflections prior to Audyssey. If you have then watched movies and felt that the bass is terrible, it may just be your preference to have wall shaking bass.

You can turn up the Sub trim for your preference. It's likely to be away from reference, but if that's the way you like it........

The above assumes you set your crossovers to 80hz too.

I had Denon 1909 prior to NR809. That 1909 was one of the buggy ones that gave boomier bass for lossy DD and DTS. That boom was terrible. So I know what it sounded like. So I am certainly not looking for that.
I am not trying to argue, but I feel the bass can be better (or may be it's my perception as you said). The deep bass seem to be missing/lost.

I'm trying to help give perspective, but I have not heard your system, so have no idea whether your dissatisfaction is based on a problem or perception. So long as you get a better idea of what is going on, it might help you get to the bottom of it.

Try turning up the Sub level - on my system I have the L/R Main speakers set to 120HZ crossover too. This improved my bass response because there are x8 as many filters for the sub channel than the others.

It may be worth a try.

+1


As wl1 notes, raise your speaker crossovers up to 80hz. Audyssey sets up your speakers/sub based on a "reference" setting; however, you may have a different "preference". As wl1 also notes, there's nothing wrong with your measurements and with a +/-2db error rate on the Audyssey mic and the RS mic, there can be as much as a 4db difference between the two. If you want it louder, simply raise the master volume to suit your preference. However, you may want to leave the settings alone for a couple of weeks to adjust to what XT is doing and what the mixer intended you to hear. Also, do you have Dyn EQ enabled?

I saw that deal as well. There were five of them available on the night of the 17th and I figured at least one would still be available in the morning of the 18th. I was wrong. Fortunately another one came in stock that night and I jumped on it. I almost cancelled though because it looked like it would be as-is with no warranty. I called Newegg and they said Onkyo would not provide a warranty. I later called Onkyo and they said that they would warrant it, but they consider open box from Newegg to be refurbished so it only carries a 1 year warranty. That's enough for me to go through with the purchase. I realize Newegg is out of stock now, but I think it's pretty good information to have for anyone looking into open box Onkyo receivers from Newegg in the future.


There's this bench test from hometheater.com for a 609. The 609 has 100W per channel and seven channels into 8 ohms gives 77.7W at 0.1% distortion. I don't know if it works this way or not, but I would estimate that 7 channels continuously driven into 8 ohms on an 809 would ~105W at 0.1% distortion (135W * 77.7%)

Is anyone else having issues with Dolby TruHD? This is driving me nuts. I am not sure if it is the Onko or the Popcorn Hour causing the problem.

Thanks for your feedback.

Thanks..

Are those configuration thumbs from Android app?

Yes. Dynamic EQ is on. Dynamic Vol is off
I will set speakers to 80Hz and give it a shot..