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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

^^
Are you using any of the DSX Listening Modes? I would have expected the Straight Decode mode to work best.
On menu, 5.1, select Straight Decode for both DD and DTS options.

In the "Listening Mode Preset" section of the Setup area, I have the DTS/DTS-ES/DTS-HD option set to "Straight Decode" for the relevant sources. But the receiver is outputting even plain 5.1 DTS as 7.1. This is annoying and I think it is a recent problem. Any ideas on how to make 5.1 DTS bitstreamed by HDMI play as 5.1? Or does it sound like there is a problem with my receiver?
post #4352 of 5810
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Originally Posted by Antimatter81 View Post

Some people are purist and want the movie played back just the way it is intended. So when you take a 5.1 and play it in a 7.1 it matrixes the SL&SR into the rear channels. So it is not as intended and is messed with by the receiver place sound to those speakers. I person always have it matrixed into the rear channels. I figure why have them if your only gonna use them part of the time. That just my opinion I could be wrong. And to purists I am but to each their own.


Thanks for the explanation....I will be using all 7.1 of my speakers as well, lol.
post #4353 of 5810
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

^^
Are you using any of the DSX Listening Modes? I would have expected the Straight Decode mode to work best.
On menu, 5.1, select Straight Decode for both DD and DTS options.

In the "Listening Mode Preset" section of the Setup area, I have the DTS/DTS-ES/DTS-HD option set to "Straight Decode" for the relevant sources. But the receiver is outputting even plain 5.1 DTS as 7.1. This is annoying and I think it is a recent problem. Any ideas on how to make 5.1 DTS bitstreamed by HDMI play as 5.1? Or does it sound like there is a problem with my receiver?

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Check the attached, to see if the Thx Select applies to you. Else you should think about unplugging the unit for an hour, or a reset.

EDIT
Looks like links now work.
Edited by wl1 - 6/26/12 at 4:18pm
post #4354 of 5810
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I can see my links didn't work. Until AVSFORUMS sort out the new forum for iPad users, I won't be bothering on here anymore. Best of luck.

Don't leave! We need you here.
post #4355 of 5810
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Originally Posted by gamera87 View Post

In the "Listening Mode Preset" section of the Setup area, I have the DTS/DTS-ES/DTS-HD option set to "Straight Decode" for the relevant sources. But the receiver is outputting even plain 5.1 DTS as 7.1. This is annoying and I think it is a recent problem. Any ideas on how to make 5.1 DTS bitstreamed by HDMI play as 5.1? Or does it sound like there is a problem with my receiver?


This is really strange. I checked this out and yes, it does do 7.1 for 5.1.

This happens only with DTS. Dolby Digital 5.1 works as it should.
I do not have True HD Bluray, but I suppose it will work for that as well.

Something is going on here..
post #4356 of 5810
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

This is really strange. I checked this out and yes, it does do 7.1 for 5.1.
This happens only with DTS. Dolby Digital 5.1 works as it should.
I do not have True HD Bluray, but I suppose it will work for that as well.
Something is going on here..

Hi aaranddeeman, it appears more owners (even in the NR709 thread) with 7.1 setup is asking about this. I wonder if this became to being from the last firmware update.
post #4357 of 5810
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi aaranddeeman, it appears more owners (even in the NR709 thread) with 7.1 setup is asking about this. I wonder if this became to being from the last firmware update.

May be it's bug from latest FW. I can not say for sure as my unit is very new and came with latest FW.
post #4358 of 5810
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

This is really strange. I checked this out and yes, it does do 7.1 for 5.1.
This happens only with DTS. Dolby Digital 5.1 works as it should.
I do not have True HD Bluray, but I suppose it will work for that as well.
Something is going on here..

My guess also is that it is due to an update, since this problem is recent for me. My firmware version is 1121-1177-0211-3107. A workaround is to use Setup > Speaker Setup > Speaker Configuration and select "None" under Surround Back; but of course I don't want to do this every time I play a 5.1 DTS track. Assuming this problem is not isolated, how do we effectively let Onkyo know there is a problem?
post #4359 of 5810
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Originally Posted by gamera87 View Post

My guess also is that it is due to an update, since this problem is recent for me. My firmware version is 1121-1177-0211-3107. A workaround is to use Setup > Speaker Setup > Speaker Configuration and select "None" under Surround Back; but of course I don't want to do this every time I play a 5.1 DTS track. Assuming this problem is not isolated, how do we effectively let Onkyo know there is a problem?

Hi gamera87, seem like also the NR818 as well.

You can post this question in the Onkyo Support Forum here.
post #4360 of 5810
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi gamera87, seem like also the NR818 as well.
You can post this question in the Onkyo Support Forum here.

Thanks.. Opened a thread there.. let's see..
post #4361 of 5810
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

Thanks.. Opened a thread there.. let's see..

Thank you both.
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Folks - sorry if this has been answered definitively in the thread previously, but did Onkyo (or someone on this board) ever figure out the issue with the 'Through' video mode? Specifically, why it's mangling the picture settings rather than just upscaling it? I tried it before and blacks seemed to be crushed to oblivion, so I've been running in 'Direct' mode ever since.

I now want to get around to watching some old HD-DVD titles however, and my players only output 1080i, so I was hoping to take advantage of the players scaling capabilities to bump the picture back up to 1080p. Failing a direct fix to the 'Through' mode, I'd be curious if someone has put together a set of tweaks for the 'Custom' picture mode option that gets the picture back where it needs to be. No sense repeating someone else's fine work, if it's already been done. biggrin.gif
post #4363 of 5810
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Originally Posted by Slaine View Post

Folks - sorry if this has been answered definitively in the thread previously, but did Onkyo (or someone on this board) ever figure out the issue with the 'Through' video mode? Specifically, why it's mangling the picture settings rather than just upscaling it? I tried it before and blacks seemed to be crushed to oblivion, so I've been running in 'Direct' mode ever since.
I now want to get around to watching some old HD-DVD titles however, and my players only output 1080i, so I was hoping to take advantage of the players scaling capabilities to bump the picture back up to 1080p. Failing a direct fix to the 'Through' mode, I'd be curious if someone has put together a set of tweaks for the 'Custom' picture mode option that gets the picture back where it needs to be. No sense repeating someone else's fine work, if it's already been done. biggrin.gif


May be you should set it to "Custom" and Resolution under it to "1080p" and leave everything else default.
post #4364 of 5810
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Originally Posted by Slaine View Post

Folks - sorry if this has been answered definitively in the thread previously, but did Onkyo (or someone on this board) ever figure out the issue with the 'Through' video mode? Specifically, why it's mangling the picture settings rather than just upscaling it? I tried it before and blacks seemed to be crushed to oblivion, so I've been running in 'Direct' mode ever since.

I now want to get around to watching some old HD-DVD titles however, and my players only output 1080i, so I was hoping to take advantage of the players scaling capabilities to bump the picture back up to 1080p. Failing a direct fix to the 'Through' mode, I'd be curious if someone has put together a set of tweaks for the 'Custom' picture mode option that gets the picture back where it needs to be. No sense repeating someone else's fine work, if it's already been done. biggrin.gif

Onkyo got the message, as I fed it back months ago, but they would not confirm whether they agreed there was an issue or there would be a fix. I provided them with my CIE charts from HCFR, clearly showing the shift in the D65 greyscale.

I wouldn't wait for a fix. It would be interesting if anyone knew the 818 suffered the same way.

I worked round it by using Custom (or ISF Day/night). These have the correct D65 but the contrast/brightness was slightly different. Minor adjustments within those settings returned it to normal.

I run my SkyHD Sat box this way, with the 809 converting the signal from 1080i to 1080P and all is well.
post #4365 of 5810
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

May be you should set it to "Custom" and Resolution under it to "1080p" and leave everything else default.

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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

Onkyo got the message, as I fed it back months ago, but they would not confirm whether they agreed there was an issue or there would be a fix. I provided them with my CIE charts from HCFR, clearly showing the shift in the D65 greyscale.
I wouldn't wait for a fix. It would be interesting if anyone knew the 818 suffered the same way.
I worked round it by using Custom (or ISF Day/night). These have the correct D65 but the contrast/brightness was slightly different. Minor adjustments within those settings returned it to normal.
I run my SkyHD Sat box this way, with the 809 converting the signal from 1080i to 1080P and all is well.

Thanks for the feedback. Just so I'm clear though, the 'Custom' setting also needs picture tweaks (even if you just select an output resolution and tweak nothing else), but it doesn't mangle the grayscale like the 'Through' setting? Is that correct?

And how close did the ISF settings get you to the expected picture quality? Also, is the difference between Day and Night explained in the manual?
post #4366 of 5810
[/quote]
Thanks for the feedback. Just so I'm clear though, the 'Custom' setting also needs picture tweaks (even if you just select an output resolution and tweak nothing else), but it doesn't mangle the grayscale like the 'Through' setting? Is that correct?[/quote]

YES

[/quote] And how close did the ISF settings get you to the expected picture quality? Also, is the difference between Day and Night explained in the manual?[/quote]

The Custom, ISF Day & ISF Night are essentially the same - waiting for the User to configure and set them. On my unit, there were slight differences between brightness/contrast, but unless you use a sensor or have a keen eye with the DVE/S&M setup disks, you may not notice the difference.

Both ISF modes are edited like Custom, but are "locked" so are unlikely to be inadvertently changed. You get access to them by selecting the required ISF, and holding down Display for 8 secs.

Obviously these are a per source setting.

I will see if I can find my original post, with images and data.
Edited by wl1 - 6/28/12 at 2:07pm
post #4367 of 5810
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Also, is the difference between Day and Night explained in the manual?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1361862/onkyo-avr-tx-nr809/0_100

Shows my original concerns/graphs.

Day and Night are used By some, when they need different Brightness/Contrast settings for very bright day room, and dark night time viewing. I don't bother, but those with certain LCDs or projectors may be more inclined.
post #4368 of 5810
hi,
there is a link to the documentation about RS232 commands ?
There is no help in the manual and any documentation could be download from the website.
I found an old doc but the 809 is not inside. Most of commands are ok, but i'm lookng for the new ones.
Thank you
post #4369 of 5810
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

Thanks for the feedback. Just so I'm clear though, the 'Custom' setting also needs picture tweaks (even if you just select an output resolution and tweak nothing else), but it doesn't mangle the grayscale like the 'Through' setting? Is that correct?[/quote]
YES
[/quote] And how close did the ISF settings get you to the expected picture quality? Also, is the difference between Day and Night explained in the manual?[/quote]
The Custom, ISF Day & ISF Night are essentially the same - waiting for the User to configure and set them. On my unit, there were slight differences between brightness/contrast, but unless you use a sensor or have a keen eye with the DVE/S&M setup disks, you may not notice the difference.
Both ISF modes are edited like Custom, but are "locked" so are unlikely to be inadvertently changed. You get access to them by selecting the required ISF, and holding down Display for 8 secs.
Obviously these are a per source setting.
I will see if I can find my original post, with images and data.[/quote]

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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1361862/onkyo-avr-tx-nr809/0_100
Shows my original concerns/graphs.
Day and Night are used By some, when they need different Brightness/Contrast settings for very bright day room, and dark night time viewing. I don't bother, but those with certain LCDs or projectors may be more inclined.

Thanks for that - very useful to know exactly what each of the modes are doing. I may just try ISF Night to begin with (My lowly theater is in my basement) and play with my DVE disk a bit to see where I stand. I did peruse some of the adjustments in 'Custom' mode (and presumably available in the ISF modes when 'unlocked') and was bit intimidated by the many contrast settings, etc. I'm loath to mess around with it too much until I've got the time to do it properly.
post #4370 of 5810
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Originally Posted by Slaine View Post

Thanks for the feedback. Just so I'm clear though, the 'Custom' setting also needs picture tweaks (even if you just select an output resolution and tweak nothing else), but it doesn't mangle the grayscale like the 'Through' setting? Is that correct?
YES
[/quote] And how close did the ISF settings get you to the expected picture quality? Also, is the difference between Day and Night explained in the manual?[/quote]
The Custom, ISF Day & ISF Night are essentially the same - waiting for the User to configure and set them. On my unit, there were slight differences between brightness/contrast, but unless you use a sensor or have a keen eye with the DVE/S&M setup disks, you may not notice the difference.
Both ISF modes are edited like Custom, but are "locked" so are unlikely to be inadvertently changed. You get access to them by selecting the required ISF, and holding down Display for 8 secs.
Obviously these are a per source setting.
I will see if I can find my original post, with images and data.[/quote]
Thanks for that - very useful to know exactly what each of the modes are doing. I may just try ISF Night to begin with (My lowly theater is in my basement) and play with my DVE disk a bit to see where I stand. I did peruse some of the adjustments in 'Custom' mode (and presumably available in the ISF modes when 'unlocked') and was bit intimidated by the many contrast settings, etc. I'm loath to mess around with it too much until I've got the time to do it properly.[/quote]

Messing around with any of those RGB settings w/o proper instruments is futile.
If you really want to play with those, then it would be better to invest in a colorimeter (at or above $200). Changing them manually and inspecting them visually will only bring frustration..
Just my 2 cents.
post #4371 of 5810
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

If you really want to play with those, then it would be better to invest in a colorimeter (at or above $200). Changing them manually and inspecting them visually will only bring frustration..
Just my 2 cents.

Yeah, only thing I've done so far is fire up my DVE disk and adjust the brightness setting via the custom menu. Other settings seemed ok, so that will do for now.
post #4372 of 5810
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Originally Posted by dem1980 View Post

hi,
there is a link to the documentation about RS232 commands ?
There is no help in the manual and any documentation could be download from the website.
I found an old doc but the 809 is not inside. Most of commands are ok, but i'm lookng for the new ones.
Thank you

Once Onkyo decided to release their own suite of apps, they also decided to shut out 3rd party developers. I got a hell of a run-around from them when the 2011 models were released, then they had the nerve to tell me I could get them if I was an authorized dealer/installer. So when I played along they told me it was at several 10's of thousands of $ to get into the program, and about $4 every year thereafter.

So now, your only hope is finding leaked documents on the web.

Like this one:

https://sites.google.com/a/webarts.ca/toms-blog/Blog/new-blog-items/javaeiscp-integraserialcontrolprotocol

(see bottom of page)
post #4373 of 5810
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

Messing around with any of those RGB settings w/o proper instruments is futile.
If you really want to play with those, then it would be better to invest in a colorimeter (at or above $200). Changing them manually and inspecting them visually will only bring frustration..
Just my 2 cents.

I agree that best results can be had with something like

http://www.amazon.com/Xrite-EODIS3-i1Display-Pro/dp/B0055MBQOW

With the HCFR free software. Look up Calibration for Dummies for more detailed help.

Principle is
Calibrate BR to display directly
Verify no different with 809 in line, with 1.1 Resolution = Source, and Picture Mode = Direct for BR Source.
Then use 809 to calibrate the other Source inputs differences only, using Custom (or ISF's).
Small changes only should be required. Only to grayscale, there is no colour management system.
Edited by wl1 - 7/1/12 at 3:35pm
post #4374 of 5810
When you play FLAC on USB or via DLNA, does the Onkyo 809 display anything to confirm that it is FLAC?
post #4375 of 5810
Are others having success with the RC-810M remote controlling non-Onkyo equipment? I was disappointed when I found the Vizio TV codes in the supplied listing ineffective, but then delighted when I realized I could us the on-line look-up feature and find a listing for my exact model number (it's an E3D320VX, the the 32" 3D model) and the receiver's on-screen display "successfully" programmed the TV control feature, as well as the DVD controls for my Sony BDB-BX58 Blu-Ray player. The results with the TV have been less than stellar. The 'Input' key on the remote turns the TV off, the orange power button for the TV does nothing. Not having control of TV inputs makes it necessary to have both remotes available to do much of anything, defeating the whole purpose of a multi-function remote. Anyone else have this TV? Any luck controlling it with the Onkyo remote? If so, what's the key to making it work?
post #4376 of 5810
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post


Not sure about flac files you refer to, but I chucked some on a stick, and navigated very quickly to them, no issue. These were 16bit 44.1khz.


I think transfer rate of memory stick might come into play. Worth a try.
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Originally Posted by patran View Post

When you play FLAC on USB or via DLNA, does the Onkyo 809 display anything to confirm that it is FLAC?

Hope the picture shows what you need to know.
post #4377 of 5810
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

Thanks.. Opened a thread there.. let's see..

Ok. Here's Onkyo's response. Bull crap???


From 2011 models they have changed the spec according to DTS requirement.
When you have DTS5.1 signals, our 2011 receivers output as 7.1 this is normal operation.



Who are "they", Onkyo themselves or ???

Have you heard such a DTS requirement?
post #4378 of 5810
^^
The they would be "DTS" and it actually makes sense as it is also the case with 2011 and newer Denon models as well (although wanted to see what Onkyo's response was before responding).
post #4379 of 5810
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
The they would be "DTS" and it actually makes sense as it is also the case with 2011 and newer Denon models as well (although wanted to see what Onkyo's response was before responding).

Wow. I am trying to find some documentation/specification from DTS to that effect...
This is no big deal, but IMHO they (DTS or Onkyo or Denon) are corrupting the original sound track..
post #4380 of 5810
Thanks...I found the "Display" button on the receiver and on the Remote. I can now see FLAC wink.gif
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