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post #4411 of 5803
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

I have found out how to report bugs into Onkyo for their consideration to fix. As you know, there is a limited time to get Onkyo to fix stuff, before next models come out, so I was thinking if we can get a definitive list together, it may carry more weight.


Yes, I am forever an optimist!


Here are a couple of bugs, and whilst I am it, feasible Feature Requests.


Bugs to be fixed now (Stuff that is wrong)

1. Through Video mode affects D65 grey scale delta errors - Contrast and Brightness are significantly affected too. Manual says Through is the same as Direct (apart from Resolution can be changed), but this is incorrect.

2. Z2 & Z3:- DLNA PLAYBACK, Random - skip does not jump to a random track, AVR plays the next track on the current Album

3. Spotify Random does not work for any Zone


Feature Requests (Stuff that could be improved)

1. AVR should self check feature options prior to updating Firmware - and Auto turn off features which can cause corruption (rhid etc).

2. Following Mute, full volume occurs - a slow ramp back to volume is preferred to allow a change of volume downwards if required.

3. Option to "screensave" the VFD display on AVR or turn it off - useful for Movie playback whereby Display cannot currently be disabled - important when AVR is in line of sight of TV.

4. Allow Audyssey or AVR settings to be be viewed /extracted (available to oRemote/ethernet would be good, similar to Pioneer App).

5. Allow bit transfer rates of Sound/Video to be displayed(in oRemote)

6. Allow backup of settings to memory stick


Next model requests (feasible technology Ideas, but maybe not with this hardware)

1. DLNA serving of Video formats (next years model?) - must include HD audio formats.


Any others ?

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Originally Posted by rworne View Post


Expand the network-based menus?


I see no reason not to expand the menu support for the other Zones. Not only will this help me, it will also make their app a lot more useful.

Also allow the setup menus to come across.

Native AirPlay support

Fix the stupid bug introduced when they added Spotify that broke their network protocol menu message. In a nutshell they allow for a 10-item menu, but are stuffing 12 things in it. This BTW is what broke their app a while back when this was added to the firmware update.


Then again, the pattern I am seeing from them lately is new messages that are undocumented and secrecy around their protocol spec - and the appearance that their app is driving the protocol now, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but if it winds up driving the protocol features 3rd party apps will be hobbled by it.


What I do expect is the 2012 models will show another incremental improvement to the network protocol - they have been doing this over the last 4-5 years now.


Forever The Optimist pays off - the above were from November last year - chased several times. And the latest firmware has fixed #1 - greyscale issue. Ref #2, I do not use DLNA playback in Z2/3 - but the Testing in ORemote seems to think it is fixed. Could someone check?

I can't remember who it was who got very irate at that issue - but hopefully they are satisfied with the overdue release.

Anyone care to check Spotify for #3?

Wayne.
Edited by wl1 - 7/7/12 at 9:05am
post #4412 of 5803
Wayne - Excellent news regarding the through fix! And just wanted to say that I think you've done a very nice job keeping everyone informed on the changes in these firmware updates. So kudos to you for that - you're part of what makes this forum an excellent resource for budding HT enthusiasts like myself smile.gif
post #4413 of 5803
@wl1, I searched the thread regarding the other video output options but only find details regarding Direct and Through (fixed in current, latest version), and that Game and Cinema were inaccurate. How about ISF Day and Night, what were your results and how do they differ w/ respect to Greyscale and color (i.e. RGB and CIE graph)? Thanks.
post #4414 of 5803
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

Forever The Optimist pays off - the above were from November last year - chased several times. And the latest firmware has fixed #1 - greyscale issue. Ref #2, I do not use DLNA playback in Z2/3 - but the Testing in ORemote seems to think it is fixed. Could someone check?
I can't remember who it was who got very irate at that issue - but hopefully they are satisfied with the overdue release.
Anyone care to check Spotify for #3?
Wayne.

These are reported fixes in the new firmware: Looks like Random/Shuffle and Repeat may be working now.

As for my other rants:

Onkyo enabled full menu controls for 2012 models (earlier units seem to be out of luck)

I've managed to do some very sordid things to my TX-NR609 and TX-NR818 and found a whole load of undocumented commands. These allow direct access to most of the GUI functions, and all the setup menu items. I've deciphered about 95% of it, the only thing I cannot do is have the app change the speaker setup. Otherwise it can set/adjust anything on the setup menu. I've also managed to find the Audyssey Pro calibration commands. I'm pretty confident I can pull out the EQ curves from the receiver, but I need an "installer ready" unit to do this. Other commands I found: Command Factory Reset, Get Firmware Version, and about a half-dozen others I have not decoded yet. These other commands (aside from the reset) appear to be only on the 2012 models.

I know the different boards on the receiver talk to each other via a bus, and I think I am accessing this protocol. I'm really close to opening up the 609 and putting a logic analyzer on the RX/TX lines to see what they are saying to each other.

Native Airplay support is out. The TX-NR616AE is out (one Australian vendor is selling it) and it has native Airplay support. The TX-4070, TX-NR515AE and TX-NR818AE also will have Airplay support. But what if you bought a 515, 616 or 818 non-AE version? There's a $100AU price difference between the Airplay and non-Airplay models, so it doesn't look like it's just a firmware update. If it is, and Onkyo charges ~$100, that's a greater ripoff than when Denon did it a couple years back for $50 - and their implementation of it sucks. Onkyo/Integra is also due to release a new iPhone/iPad dock around October that appears to be either a USB device or network-enabled.

Other streaming capability is now available with the UBT-1 bluetooth adapter. I wrote about this on the 818 forum. Essentially it is a wireless headphone dongle, but in reverse - it shows up as an advanced USB audio device (line in) and the kicker isn't just the $59 retail price, but the adapter doesn't do squat except for stream to the Onkyo (it does this quite well, and sounds great BTW). No remote functions, no song info, nothing. The most it will do is when it pairs it hijacks the current input and switches to USB. This adapter does not give the Onkyo bluetooth capability in any way, it's just a USB input device where the USB dongle itself does all the work.

One thing the UBT-1 is great for: plug it into a windows machine instead and run S*****y on your portable (after pairing). Set the windows mixer record input to said USB device and you have instant ripping of songs off of S*****y. (I censored that myself, can't encourage misbehavior)

The 12 items on a 10-item menu was fixed in a firmware update last March. This was where owners of 2011 model Onkyos (particularly the TX-8050, TX-NR609 and DTR-80.3 and I'm sure many others) would display the menu then overwrite vTuner and Pandora with MyFavorites and DLNA.

I've got the full protocol spec now for all models up to the TX-NR5010, including the formerly "undocumented" messages - they are documented now. Incremental changes for 2012 did indeed appear:

XML-based menu lists, the 10-item limit is gone now.

New bugs (2012 models)
Full menu controls for all Zones, but buggy - I've already submitted bug reports on this.
Some messages sent form the Onkyo are not initialized properly (contain garbage) or have the last message byte truncated - Sends "NE" instead of "NET"
The Menu message for NET TOP in the 2012 models reports the total items as a decimal number when it is supposed to be HEX. So 11 items show up as 17.

I'm sure I'll find more.
post #4415 of 5803
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Originally Posted by sherpa25 View Post

@wl1, I searched the thread regarding the other video output options but only find details regarding Direct and Through (fixed in current, latest version), and that Game and Cinema were inaccurate. How about ISF Day and Night, what were your results and how do they differ w/ respect to Greyscale and color (i.e. RGB and CIE graph)? Thanks.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1341271/official-onkyo-tx-nr809-thread/1100_100#post_20927421

The table in the Summary should give you what you want.

I have not gone back to check ISF's or Custom, as greyscale was fine.

They did reduce light output slightly last time, but that would be normal, I guess. You have the brightness/contrast values to set in these modes.

Streaming and Through do not, so they are now the same as Direct. Seems reasonable to me.

The biggest issue is resolved, for those blissfully unaware of the idiosyncrasies of the AVR picture mode presets, will no longer be having an inaccurate picture displayed.
post #4416 of 5803
I have a couple questions. I had my hdtv calibrated through the tv settings, and the receiver was set on custom, with resolution on auto, and everything else set to 0. If I change the receiver to direct, will that change the picture, and will I lose any of the calibrated settings? Also, is it recommended to keep the receiver on custom, and resolution on auto to upconvert the signal to 1080P? I have a Panasonic P55VT30

Thanks
post #4417 of 5803
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Originally Posted by bkreger View Post

I have a couple questions. I had my hdtv calibrated through the tv settings, and the receiver was set on custom, with resolution on auto, and everything else set to 0. If I change the receiver to direct, will that change the picture, and will I lose any of the calibrated settings? Also, is it recommended to keep the receiver on custom, and resolution on auto to upconvert the signal to 1080P? I have a Panasonic P55VT30
Thanks

IMO:- (my get out clause smile.gif )

Do I assume that your 1.1 Menu item, Resolution = Source?

And you are referring to one single Source when it was calibrated?

And which Source are we talking about - BR and BR disks?

I would be tempted to stay with Custom. Custom has a slightly different brightness/contrast to Direct, so if you change it now, these will change too.

As for Resolution = Auto, that should be OK, but it depends on the answer to the above.

(ASIDE: - I have not checked ISF and Custom, as they were not a "problem" - but it is possible that they have changed to the same Brightness/contrast as Through/Streaming - ie same as Direct. I may go back and check this, but I usually like to do these things in one session to rule out variation. Oh, well....I could use Direct as a baseline).
Edited by wl1 - 7/9/12 at 9:14am
post #4418 of 5803
I am in picture mode. I had all sources calibrated while in custom. I had resolution on auto. I recently read that it is not a good idea to have resolution on Auto when watching blu ray movies on ps3, as the signal is already 1080p, and can cause problems in the picture? Is this correct? Is it OK to leave it on custom when watching blu ray movies?
Thanks
post #4419 of 5803
I have only one subwoofer, but the 809 shows 2 subwoofers before, during, and after Audyssey. Is this normal?

Thanks...
post #4420 of 5803
Regarding pass-through with the Onkyo "off" used to not work with HDMI CEC/RI turned on. Anyway, that was about 9-10 months ago and I tested the function again after the latest firmware update and well, it works now.. One of the updates must have fixed it -- not sure which one.

I can now have my Onkyo off while watching TV/cable box. Clicking on CBL/SAT would wake the 809 up and it would process the sound. Turning the Onkyo 809 off, after 2-3 seconds, TV would sync with the cable box and the TV would move along handling the sound.
post #4421 of 5803
Should the internal amps turn off when external amps are connected to the preouts? My 809 is getting very hot still and I can't figure why?
post #4422 of 5803
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Originally Posted by jtokach View Post

Should the internal amps turn off when external amps are connected to the preouts? My 809 is getting very hot still and I can't figure why?

No the 809 cant turn the internal amps off.


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post #4423 of 5803
So is the new firmware worth the upgrade? The last one I installed was on 31/10.

Is it necessary to disconnect everything except network, power and hdmi to tv to upgrade?
post #4424 of 5803
Hey guys... had some time over the last few weeks to get back into setting up all my sources properly and automating everything with my Harmony One.

I tried searching for this (as I assume it must have been asked before), but the search terms are a bit generic and I'm wading through too much.

I am wondering if it is possible to display different audio output from the viewed source....especially when using NET Radio functionality.

For example:

Use NET Radio feature to listen to Rhapsody and other stations, but have my PC Output (connected via HDMI PC) or Game console (connected via HDMI Game) video display on the screen.

I have gone up and down the menus, but don't see this as possible. I think that if you have an analog source it might be possible to watch HDMI video with the analog audio from another source, but I can't see how to mix and match HDMI sources, or in my case the NET Radio Audio stream with another source.

thanks!
post #4425 of 5803
I've got some other unrelated questions regarding speaker setup and audio modes I hope someone can answer.

My viewing situation in my city condo is a little constrained and unconventional. Basically I have a smaller TV on the wall across from the main couch (about 8 feet or so), I have a ceiling mounted projector that projects to a drop down screen to the east of the TV (i.e. turn your head to the right). There is a couch to the west (opposite the screen) that is the best viewing area for screen...that is about 25 feet away.

I have mounted my speakers such that the movie viewing couch is the target for the 5.1 sound, so that when I watch movies on the big screen I can get the best experience.

What this means however is that when watching on my smaller TV, 5.1 sound won't work for me, because the front and center channels are to my right.

Because of this, when watching on my TV, I simply set my listening mode to All Ch Stereo, so I get equal sound out of all speakers and aren't just hearing voices softly in my right ear smile.gif

I don't have the option of physically changing this setup...I realize that it is pretty much impossible to have a 5.1 setup with two discrete viewing areas using the same equipment, but it is what it is.

My main question is, what sort of ability do I have when adjusting audio (like dolby normalization, audessey, etc) when using All Ch. Stereo? Do these features still work to any extent?

I'm thinking that simply adjusting the volume levels of the speakers so that i get a more consistent level from all speakers when in my TV viewing area may be the only option. I think I should be able to automate a "switch over" between different speaker setups using automated ISCP commands. But, I'm wondering what would be best.

Given my current constraints, can anyone suggest anything that might make this situation as optimal as I could make it?

thanks again
post #4426 of 5803
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Originally Posted by Seadaddy View Post

No the 809 cant turn the internal amps off.
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That's almost idiotic. Although, I suppose they would function pretty well as a second zone. I don't care much for how the separate zones were implemented on this unit. Whole house audio mode sucks.
post #4427 of 5803
Hi,

I have Onkyo TX-NR809 that has Audyssey MULTI XT (room correction) and audyssey technologies (MULTI EQ and DYNAMIC VOLUME). As all know it also has Dolby Volume for volume adjustments and more.

After calibrating all the speakers thru MULTI XT and setting MULTI EQ ON and DYNAMIC VOLUME Medium, i feel sounds coming from all channels(Speakers).

When i use Dolby volume with Volume leveler OFF and HALF MODE OFF or Volume leveler MID and HALF MODE ON, I feel sound coming mostly from FRONT (L,C,R) but not surrounds.

I feel Dolby Volume is competitive technology for volume adjustments and want to feel it. Please provide your suggestions to get the best out of this technology (or) some one share your thoughts on Onkyo TX-NR809 using Dolby Volume.

My Speakers are Bose accoustimass 16 series II.
post #4428 of 5803
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Originally Posted by Denovo View Post

Are others having success with the RC-810M remote controlling non-Onkyo equipment? I was disappointed when I found the Vizio TV codes in the supplied listing ineffective, but then delighted when I realized I could us the on-line look-up feature and find a listing for my exact model number (it's an E3D320VX, the the 32" 3D model) and the receiver's on-screen display "successfully" programmed the TV control feature, as well as the DVD controls for my Sony BDB-BX58 Blu-Ray player. The results with the TV have been less than stellar. The 'Input' key on the remote turns the TV off, the orange power button for the TV does nothing. Not having control of TV inputs makes it necessary to have both remotes available to do much of anything, defeating the whole purpose of a multi-function remote. Anyone else have this TV? Any luck controlling it with the Onkyo remote? If so, what's the key to making it work?

Really, nada?? Is nobody using the Onkyo remote to control Bl/DVD or TV?
post #4429 of 5803
Question for you all. Has anyone heard a crackling type noise from the 809? The noise appears to be coming out all speakers. I notice it most when watching tv/movie and something loud like a car driving by makes the noise come out most. I checked all my cables and everything looks good and tight. Thanks. Any help would be much appreciated.
post #4430 of 5803
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Originally Posted by sweetba1 View Post

Question for you all. Has anyone heard a crackling type noise from the 809? The noise appears to be coming out all speakers. I notice it most when watching tv/movie and something loud like a car driving by makes the noise come out most. I checked all my cables and everything looks good and tight. Thanks. Any help would be much appreciated.

Sounds like the issue in the Onkyo recall... You can check your serial number on the Onkyo website if it is affected by the problem. More info here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1401101/onkyo-sudden-shut-down-and-or-static-noise-from-speaker-sr309-nrxx9-nrxxx9-others
Edited by rsmithrls - 7/12/12 at 7:21pm
post #4431 of 5803
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Originally Posted by rsmithrls View Post

Sounds like the issue in the Onkyo recall... You can check your serial number on the Onkyo website if it is affected by the problem. More info here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1401101/onkyo-sudden-shut-down-and-or-static-noise-from-speaker-sr309-nrxx9-nrxxx9-others

Thanks for the reply. Thought it was the recall as well then I ran my serial number and it says mine is fine. Any other ideas?
post #4432 of 5803
Sorry, double post
Edited by sweetba1 - 7/12/12 at 7:37pm
post #4433 of 5803
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Originally Posted by sweetba1 View Post

Thanks for the reply. Thought it was the recall as well then I ran my serial number and it says mine is fine. Any other ideas?

Does the problem occur with all sources (ie. cable and dvd etc)? If yes you should contact Onkyo, or return the receiver if still in return window...
post #4434 of 5803
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Originally Posted by Denovo View Post

Really, nada?? Is nobody using the Onkyo remote to control Bl/DVD or TV?

Nope. It's working fine w/ my Samsung PS51D550.
post #4435 of 5803
Safest is to disable HDMI CEC/RI control. If not, if you turn off your TV, your receiver will also turn off immediately. I had that happen during one upgrade, but, fortunately, managed to reset the 809. Perhaps, later updates have made the turning off of HDMI uncessary.
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Originally Posted by afx21 View Post

So is the new firmware worth the upgrade? The last one I installed was on 31/10.
Is it necessary to disconnect everything except network, power and hdmi to tv to upgrade?
post #4436 of 5803
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Originally Posted by naveengonu View Post

Hi,
I have Onkyo TX-NR809 that has Audyssey MULTI XT (room correction) and audyssey technologies (MULTI EQ and DYNAMIC VOLUME). As all know it also has Dolby Volume for volume adjustments and more.
After calibrating all the speakers thru MULTI XT and setting MULTI EQ ON and DYNAMIC VOLUME Medium, i feel sounds coming from all channels(Speakers).
When i use Dolby volume with Volume leveler OFF and HALF MODE OFF or Volume leveler MID and HALF MODE ON, I feel sound coming mostly from FRONT (L,C,R) but not surrounds.
I feel Dolby Volume is competitive technology for volume adjustments and want to feel it. Please provide your suggestions to get the best out of this technology (or) some one share your thoughts on Onkyo TX-NR809 using Dolby Volume.
My Speakers are Bose accoustimass 16 series II.

Audyssey Dynamic EQ should be ON, if you listen to anything less than Reference Volume (82db/0db depending).

Dynamic EQ, Dolby Volume and THX Loudness, are ALL similar solutions for the same problem.

Select one, disable all others.

If you like Audyssey MULTEQ XT and Dynamic EQ, then just use the third Audyssey technology Dynamic Volume, at the level you prefer.

I NEVER use the dynamic range compressing technologies, as they level out the impact - its not what the mixer intended. But I understand why those who need to consider others use it. Not for me though.

Forgive me if I don't post the same reply to the same question elsewhere wink.gif
post #4437 of 5803
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Originally Posted by jtokach View Post

Should the internal amps turn off when external amps are connected to the preouts? My 809 is getting very hot still and I can't figure why?

"Very Hot" - could you say how hot is very hot?

If the AVR is in open space, that would be very unusual. I have never had my fans turn on, that I have noticed anyway.

And temperature range is 30degC to 59degC (taken from Display or ORemote).
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Edited by wl1 - 7/13/12 at 1:35pm
post #4438 of 5803
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Originally Posted by Bengalih View Post

Hey guys... had some time over the last few weeks to get back into setting up all my sources properly and automating everything with my Harmony One.
I tried searching for this (as I assume it must have been asked before), but the search terms are a bit generic and I'm wading through too much.
I am wondering if it is possible to display different audio output from the viewed source....especially when using NET Radio functionality.
For example:
Use NET Radio feature to listen to Rhapsody and other stations, but have my PC Output (connected via HDMI PC) or Game console (connected via HDMI Game) video display on the screen.
I have gone up and down the menus, but don't see this as possible. I think that if you have an analog source it might be possible to watch HDMI video with the analog audio from another source, but I can't see how to mix and match HDMI sources, or in my case the NET Radio Audio stream with another source.
thanks!

Are you using Z2/3? If not, you could look to feed the phono connections back into an unused analogue input, say TV/CD. You should then disassociate any HDMI with this Source.

Then :-
Set Zone 1&2 to listen to Net Radio
Select Game (or PC) Source input for Z1
Then reselect TV/CD to get Net from Z2 fed back in - if no other audio present, analog will be selected.

After a brief blanking of the display, the picture should then resume from Game (or PC), whilst listening to Net.

Dies this work for you?

You can also feed the Z2 into the analgue inputs for Game etc, and then use Audio to select Analog - easy with ORemote (though this version is beta and imminent).

in fact. The latter is probably easiest, but limits Net to one source.
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Edited by wl1 - 7/13/12 at 1:36pm
post #4439 of 5803
Thanks for the reply.

You say if I use DOLBY VOLUME ON (Obviously other technologies Audyssey MULTI EQ is OFF) and VOLUME LEVELER OFF and HALF MODE ON and still if i dont get much surround sound (assuming the speaker calibration thru Audyssey MULTI XT is correct) then the movie scene has mixed with less surround sound. Am i correct?

Does the Audyssey dynamic volume perform the volume leveling when we switch channels/sources (one of the feature of dolby volume) or is this being done by Audyssey MULTI EQ?
post #4440 of 5803
Hi Mike,
Just wonder how did you bi-amp your Polk LSi25 since I have similar equipments? Did you remove the speaker metal jumpers, set the Onkyo receiver to bi-amp mode and then run wires from front R/front L from receiver to the lower speaker posts, and surround back R and surround back L to the higher speaker posts?

Thanks,
Quang
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