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post #4441 of 5253
7/13/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by naveengonu View Post

Thanks for the reply.
You say if I use DOLBY VOLUME ON (Obviously other technologies Audyssey MULTI EQ is OFF) and VOLUME LEVELER OFF and HALF MODE ON and still if i dont get much surround sound (assuming the speaker calibration thru Audyssey MULTI XT is correct) then the movie scene has mixed with less surround sound. Am i correct?
Does the Audyssey dynamic volume perform the volume leveling when we switch channels/sources (one of the feature of dolby volume) or is this being done by Audyssey MULTI EQ?

I don't think that is what I said.

To be clear, I recommend:-
Using Audyssey MultEQ XT (Room Correction) - Movies profile
Dynamic EQ (For octave adjustment when you are listening at reduced volume levels) - use 0db for Movies, and other types of material may need different levels, see manual. This is a "per source" setting

Option:- if you wish to compress the dynamic volume range (loud parts of a movie get quieter, quieter scenes get louder) - typically used to prevent people turning the volume up/down constantly, when late night watching :-
Then use one of the following:-
Audyssey Dynamic Volume - from Aydyssey
THX Loudness - from THX standards
Dolby Volume - from Dolby Labs

See p53-54 for more info on the above, and the limitations/interactions between them.

If you want to listen to movies late at night without disturbing the familly in bed, then I would suggest stick with Audyssey Dynamic Volume (Low), but the setting is up to how much you want to reduce the difference between loud/quiet.

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post #4442 of 5253
7/13/12 at 7:49pm
Anyone have any tips to somewhat lessen 'sound brightness'? I notice this particularly with BD video concerts, even when using Movie modes (w/c per Audyssey says already has roll-off at 4kHz above). So I would even presume using Music modes would make them sound even brighter. I followed Audyssey procedure (including mic placement). I've read someone recalibrated w/ the mic at a position slightly lower than ear level help lessen the sound brightness, but I'm not sure if it's logical, and I didn't want to go through the whole recalibration unless it were valid.

Also, what about the Reference Offset, anyone using it for particular inputs?
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post #4443 of 5253
7/14/12 at 12:43am
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Anyone have any tips to somewhat lessen 'sound brightness'? I notice this particularly with BD video concerts, even when using Movie modes (w/c per Audyssey says already has roll-off at 4kHz above). So I would even presume using Music modes would make them sound even brighter. I followed Audyssey procedure (including mic placement). I've read someone recalibrated w/ the mic at a position slightly lower than ear level help lessen the sound brightness, but I'm not sure if it's logical, and I didn't want to go through the whole recalibration unless it were valid.
Also, what about the Reference Offset, anyone using it for particular inputs?


Music profile is likely to make matters worse. Stick with Movies.

Did you use a tripod when setting Audyssey?  When you say you used the Audyssey procedure, I trust you mean the excellent one from 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/0_100

As many people use a pillow, this would absorb HF and Audyssey would over compensate.

I would recalibrate if in any doubt.

But if the issue is only Music concerts, it's likely to be due to there being no mixing standards for Music. I assume you are using Dynamic EQ, and if you listening at much lower volume than 82db, then it may be getting per octave adjustment way off. The Reference Offset you refer to could be adjusted temporarily when watching concerts. But Movies will suffer if you don't switch back.

The Ref Offset is per Source, but if you are using that Source for different material, you will need to adjust it manually each time.

You could switch off Dynamic EQ. Or turn the volume up, and see if improves - this might help to understand whether MULTEQ XT is the problem, or Dynamic EQ.
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post #4444 of 5253
7/14/12 at 4:25am
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Music profile is likely to make matters worse. Stick with Movies.
Did you use a tripod when setting Audyssey?  When you say you used the Audyssey procedure, I trust you mean the excellent one from 
http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/0_100
As many people use a pillow, this would absorb HF and Audyssey would over compensate.
I would recalibrate if in any doubt.
But if the issue is only Music concerts, it's likely to be due to there being no mixing standards for Music. I assume you are using Dynamic EQ, and if you listening at much lower volume than 82db, then it may be getting per octave adjustment way off. The Reference Offset you refer to could be adjusted temporarily when watching concerts. But Movies will suffer if you don't switch back.
The Ref Offset is per Source, but if you are using that Source for different material, you will need to adjust it manually each time.
You could switch off Dynamic EQ. Or turn the volume up, and see if improves - this might help to understand whether MULTEQ XT is the problem, or Dynamic EQ.

Thanks for the link, wl1. Yeah, I just used a firm throw pillow as I don't have a tripod yet. You're right, perhaps Audyssey might have compensated for the absorbed HF. But wouldn't putting a tripod on top of the couch/lazy boy (at ear level) just be similar to having the mic on top of a firm pillow?

Yes, Music concerts, and I always use DynEQ at a volume lower than 82dB (at around 60dB). I'll try the offsets. Thanks.
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post #4445 of 5253
7/15/12 at 1:51am
I played the Ghost Protocol BluRay today and noticed that the movie provided TrueHD 7.1, but the output is TrueHD 5.1. The 809 does not support TrueHD 7.1?
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post #4446 of 5253
7/15/12 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by patran View Post

I played the Ghost Protocol BluRay today and noticed that the movie provided TrueHD 7.1, but the output is TrueHD 5.1. The 809 does not support TrueHD 7.1?

Which 7.1 set up do you have? Front High/Wide or Rear?

And what is the film?

And which Listening Mode is selected?

A quick look through the Audio In / Out may give you the answer as to what is happening.

I believe the 809 should be able to decode it, but it depends on your Config and whether it can use it.
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post #4447 of 5253
7/15/12 at 9:39am

just FYI - I was able to decode true hd 7.1 with that movie

have it setup for DSX with Front Wides

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post #4448 of 5253
7/15/12 at 11:36am
I played Ghost Protocol, and 2 two extra speakers are front height.

Yeah, the 809 can decode it, but I was surprised I could not select "Pure Audio". "Display" showed input as 7.1 and ouput as 5.1, so I switched to Dolby PLIIz 7.1 .

Maybe I understood something, but I expected to see TrueHD 7.1 in and TrueHD 7.1 out "automatically".

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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

Which 7.1 set up do you have? Front High/Wide or Rear?
And what is the film?
And which Listening Mode is selected?
A quick look through the Audio In / Out may give you the answer as to what is happening.
I believe the 809 should be able to decode it, but it depends on your Config and whether it can use it.
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post #4449 of 5253
7/15/12 at 11:59am
^^
Did you have the 7.1 audio track on the BD selected? Also if either Zone 2 or 3 is ON, then Pure Audio cannot be selected.
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post #4450 of 5253
7/15/12 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by patran View Post

I played Ghost Protocol, and 2 two extra speakers are front height.

Yeah, the 809 can decode it, but I was surprised I could not select "Pure Audio". "Display" showed input as 7.1 and ouput as 5.1, so I switched to Dolby PLIIz 7.1 .

Maybe I understood something, but I expected to see TrueHD 7.1 in and TrueHD 7.1 out "automatically".

Pure Audio - I think this would disable Audyssey. Do you mean Straight Decode?

List out exactly what the Audio shows when you press Display. Input & Output.

Aside:
DSX is a pseudo 7.1:- ie Audyssey interprets the front channels and makes certain "effects" itself, directing them to the height channels. It is not the same as the 7.1 TrueHD. It is for expanding a 5.1 soundtrack to 7.1
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post #4451 of 5253
7/15/12 at 12:48pm
I don't think the Dolby Pro IIz is the correct one either. Check your Listening Mode Presets, and use Straight Decode.

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post #4452 of 5253
7/15/12 at 2:08pm
Ok..."Straight Decode" sounds like what I've been looking for an "eternity" ever since my 705. That sounds just right. Next time, I get a Blu Ray with TrueHD 7.1, I will report back.
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

I don't think the Dolby Pro IIz is the correct one either. Check your Listening Mode Presets, and use Straight Decode.
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post #4453 of 5253
7/15/12 at 2:09pm
Yes, hitting "Display" on the remote showed TrueHD 7.1 as input and TrueHD 5.1 as output and my LG BD650 was set to simply pass the audio through. Anyway, I think "Straight Decode" is what I need.

Thanks...
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post #4454 of 5253
7/16/12 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by rsmithrls View Post

Does the problem occur with all sources (ie. cable and dvd etc)? If yes you should contact Onkyo, or return the receiver if still in return window...

It appears the noise is on all sources. I have contacted Onkyo and am waiting to speak with someone. How long have people been without receivers when they send them in for repair? I have a feeling this could be a long wait to have the receiver fixed.
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post #4455 of 5253
7/18/12 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

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Originally Posted by naveengonu View Post

Thanks for the reply.
You say if I use DOLBY VOLUME ON (Obviously other technologies Audyssey MULTI EQ is OFF) and VOLUME LEVELER OFF and HALF MODE ON and still if i dont get much surround sound (assuming the speaker calibration thru Audyssey MULTI XT is correct) then the movie scene has mixed with less surround sound. Am i correct?
Does the Audyssey dynamic volume perform the volume leveling when we switch channels/sources (one of the feature of dolby volume) or is this being done by Audyssey MULTI EQ?

I don't think that is what I said.

To be clear, I recommend:-
Using Audyssey MultEQ XT (Room Correction) - Movies profile
Dynamic EQ (For octave adjustment when you are listening at reduced volume levels) - use 0db for Movies, and other types of material may need different levels, see manual. This is a "per source" setting

Option:- if you wish to compress the dynamic volume range (loud parts of a movie get quieter, quieter scenes get louder) - typically used to prevent people turning the volume up/down constantly, when late night watching :-
Then use one of the following:-
Audyssey Dynamic Volume - from Aydyssey
THX Loudness - from THX standards
Dolby Volume - from Dolby Labs

See p53-54 for more info on the above, and the limitations/interactions between them.

If you want to listen to movies late at night without disturbing the familly in bed, then I would suggest stick with Audyssey Dynamic Volume (Low), but the setting is up to how much you want to reduce the difference between loud/quiet.

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Thanks for the reply. Now i am really enjoying my HT system in my house.

As you said I am using Audyssey Movie profile (if music then change to music).

MULTI EQ ON with Dynamic Volume OFF is really good. Previously i always used to ON dynamic volume but now i am thrilled due to realistic sound with out it.

Even THX is also good, but might not get realistic THX sound due to my speakers being Bose acoustimass 16 Series II (6.1).

I still think DOLBY VOLUME does perform both EQ adjustments also volume leveling when switching channels and sources but the DRC is applied only when we choose option VOLUME LEVELING. I tested DV but didn't feel as great as using Audyssey so i dont want to use it.

Once again i thank you for your information.
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post #4456 of 5253
7/18/12 at 11:19am
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Once again i thank you for your information.

You are welcome. My only recommendation is NOT to use Music, as the profile for this is not really "Music", as Onkyo have called it, but a flatter response. It's rarely suitable, but may help very small rooms, according to Audyssey themselves.
Edited by wl1 - 7/18/12 at 11:44am
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post #4457 of 5253
7/19/12 at 5:54pm
Ok,
I ran Audyssey and sorry if these questions have been asked before as there are too many post to try and find them.....
So thanks in advance.
Front and Front Wides are floor standing speakers.

These are the settings. Should I change them or leave be ?
2-2. Speaker Config..
Front 40 HZ Leave or change ? If change, then to what ??
Center 70 HZ same ? as above """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Surround 70 HZ same ? as above """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Front Wide 40 HZ """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
LPF of LFE 120 HZ What is LPF ? change or not ????
Subwoofer Phase 0

2-4. Level Calibration
All Speakers have a negative margin. Why ??? Should I adjust higher number ??
Left -7.5 db
Front Wide left -2.0 db
Center - 6.0 db
Front Wide right - 1.5 db
Right -8.0 db
Surround right - 7.0 db
Surround left -7.0 db
Subwoofer -0.5 db I'm running a temporary dual set up for now. I really like loud deep base and want to feel it when watching movies.

3-6. LFE Level
Dolby Digital 0db
DTS 0db
and so on as the rest are all 0db.

Please help with any information and again thank you !!!
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post #4458 of 5253
7/19/12 at 7:07pm
See my comments below. This is from my understanding, based on the following guidelines regarding Audyssey (posted by kbarnes701 in the Audyssey thread):
Audyssey FAQ: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=21782993&postcount=51803
Audyssey 101: http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#user_101
Audyssey Setup Guide: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14456895#post14456895

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Originally Posted by Ray77085 View Post

Ok,
I ran Audyssey and sorry if these questions have been asked before as there are too many post to try and find them.....So thanks in advance.

Front and Front Wides are floor standing speakers.
These are the settings. Should I change them or leave be ?
2-2. Speaker Config..
Front 40 HZ Leave or change ? If change, then to what ??
Center 70 HZ same ? as above """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Surround 70 HZ same ? as above """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Front Wide 40 HZ """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
LPF of LFE 120 HZ What is LPF ? change or not ????
Subwoofer Phase 0

It is recommended to set speakers to 'Small' (regardless of the size of your speakers) and their corresponding crossover settings in the receiver to 80Hz. Leave LPF of LFE to 120Hz.

2-4. Level Calibration
All Speakers have a negative margin. Why ??? Should I adjust higher number ??
Left -7.5 db
Front Wide left -2.0 db
Center - 6.0 db
Front Wide right - 1.5 db
Right -8.0 db
Surround right - 7.0 db
Surround left -7.0 db
Subwoofer -0.5 db I'm running a temporary dual set up for now. I really like loud deep base and want to feel it when watching movies.

The negative numbers are fine, as long as none of them reach the minimum values of your AVR (ex. -12db on some AVR's). These are calculated trim values determined by Audyssey. One of the links above also discusses about dual-sub setups.


3-6. LFE Level
Dolby Digital 0db
DTS 0db
and so on as the rest are all 0db.
Please help with any information and again thank you !!!

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Where are these 0db values taken from? Are these different from the values you posted above (-0.5db) for Level Calibration?

Edited by sherpa25 - 7/19/12 at 7:14pm
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post #4459 of 5253
7/20/12 at 3:08am
sherpa25,

Thank You for the information.

3-6. LFE Level
Dolby Digital 0db
DTS 0db
and so on as the rest are all 0db.

You wrote :
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Where are these 0db values taken from? Are these different from the values you posted above (-0.5db) for Level Calibration?

These settings are in the 3-6. LFE Level menu in the 809 .
All show 0db ???
So yes they are different from the 2-2. Speaker Config and the 2-4. Level Calibration, I guess ?????

Thanks again.........
Edited by Ray77085 - 7/20/12 at 3:17am
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post #4460 of 5253
7/20/12 at 3:46am
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Originally Posted by Ray77085 View Post

sherpa25,
Thank You for the information.
3-6. LFE Level
Dolby Digital 0db
DTS 0db
and so on as the rest are all 0db.
You wrote :
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Where are these 0db values taken from? Are these different from the values you posted above (-0.5db) for Level Calibration?
These settings are in the 3-6. LFE Level menu in the 809 .
All show 0db ???
So yes they are different from the 2-2. Speaker Config and the 2-4. Level Calibration, I guess ?????
Thanks again.........

Oh, actually I'm not too sure about this too. I just leave them as is to 0db. But per manual, I believe it allows one to customize (i.e. lessen) the trim volume of the LFE output for each input source by a few db, if you find it too loud for a certain input source. Not sure what '- infinity' means though.
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post #4461 of 5253
7/20/12 at 11:15pm
In order to get TrueHD 7.1 in and TrueHD 7.1 out, the surround and surround back speakers must all be enabled wink.gif
Edited by patran - 7/21/12 at 12:02am
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post #4462 of 5253
7/22/12 at 10:53am
I live in the US and got my 809 from Amazon. Anyone got an idea of the length of the warranty? This morning, my Onkyo experienced a problem with it HDMI Out Main. I had to reset it (VCR/DVR + On/Standby). It works now, but I am concerned it may bomb on me again. I got mine around July last year.
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post #4463 of 5253
7/22/12 at 10:55am
The warranty is 2 years. If you purchased with credit card, your card provider may add an additional year to make it 3 years (Amex does this for sure).
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post #4464 of 5253
7/25/12 at 12:29am
Thanks...btw, has anyone experienced audio on HDMI, but no picture "all of a sudden" ?

Today, watching Underworld Awakening DTD HD-MASTER AUDIO I noticed constant static in the center channel and after hitting on/off on the receiver a couple of times, the static went away and the sound was good again.

Now, I am thinking whether I should turn the receiver in for a a check and a repair...
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post #4465 of 5253
7/30/12 at 10:34am
I have a question about the NET options / streaming menu. I am using both HDMI outputs (HDMI main and HDMI sub) for a TV and Projector setup. I realize that the Menu and the Volume won't display on the HDMI sub output, but I can't get the NET streaming menu to come up either. I tried searching this thread but I couldn't come up with anything.

Is this normal?

Thanks in advance.
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post #4466 of 5253
7/30/12 at 8:07pm
I think Pure Audio and Direct disable the output, so try "Stereo" and see if the picture comes up?
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7/31/12 at 2:45pm
Well, I got my "recalled" Onkyo back from service and it was reset to factory settings (sigh).

Anyway, I noticed that one feature I liked, passing through the HDMI signal to my monitor when the receiver is off, doesn't work anymore like it did.
It used to send both video and audio, now it's just the video: no audio. I can't find any menu setting that will allow it, either.
This is really disappointing since it was a handy feature late at night where I could pop in any disc and let the TV speakers do the work instead of firing up the entire 7.1 kit & caboodle.

I know I can manually switch on TV speakers but that's a pain to manually set the receiver on & off each time. frown.gif

Anyone have any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?
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post #4468 of 5253
8/2/12 at 3:03pm
I have my Directv DVR set up to use custom video mode. I've been noticing colored bands of video noise flashing across the screen. Finally annoyed me enough to mess with the video processor modes. If I disable the video processor, no problem. But if any of the modes are enabled(ISF Night/Day etc...), I see the noise.

Anyone else experience this?
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post #4469 of 5253
8/4/12 at 5:30am
Network Connection.....
How can I tell if I have my 809 connected to my network with a solid connection ? I just need to confirm that I do prior to doing firmware updates.
I don't have any paid subscriptions for any of the music stations on the net menu, so therefore I'm not sure if I can do the firmware updates safely.
I'm using a Powerline adapter with the Ethernet cable !!

Thanks any info.....
Edited by Ray77085 - 8/4/12 at 5:52am
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8/4/12 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by Ray77085 View Post

Network Connection.....
How can I tell if I have my 809 connected to my network with a solid connection ? I just need to confirm that I do prior to doing firmware updates.
I don't have any paid subscriptions for any of the music stations on the net menu, so therefore I'm not sure if I can do the firmware updates safely.
I'm using a Powerline adapter with the Ethernet cable !!
Thanks any info.....

If in doubt, I'd personally just download the firmware and install it through a USB drive.
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