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Originally Posted by jaydw11 View Post

I know i read about handshaking issues in this thread, and i'm guessing that's my video problem. Has anyone found a solution or a work-around. I LOVE everything else about this unit, and it was my ideal set of features, that's why i gambled. But if i can't get rid of this video problem it's going to have to go back.

There are devices available that will "save and lock" the handshake info so that it doesn't have to be done every time. I have not used any, but I've heard they solve these kind of issues. Amazon carries some, I believe.

Bob
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Originally Posted by rblum View Post

There are devices available that will "save and lock" the handshake info so that it doesn't have to be done every time. I have not used any, but I've heard they solve these kind of issues. Amazon carries some, I believe.
Bob

thanks. i actually found a device called the HDMI Detective in a Denon thread that looks promising. $85 on Amazon.
i still think i'm going to swap the 809 for an 818 though. the price dropped today and it's only $100 more than what i paid for the 809.
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Originally Posted by jaydw11 View Post

thanks. i actually found a device called the HDMI Detective in a Denon thread that looks promising. $85 on Amazon.
i still think i'm going to swap the 809 for an 818 though. the price dropped today and it's only $100 more than what i paid for the 809.

Wow! You're not kidding about the new price on the 818. Last time I looked, it was around 1K. I will say this, my 809 sounds so good on both music and home theater, I'd be afraid to let it go. And, for anyone on a very tight budget, at the current price, the 809 is an incredible value.
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Originally Posted by jaydw11 View Post

thanks. i actually found a device called the HDMI Detective in a Denon thread that looks promising. $85 on Amazon.
i still think i'm going to swap the 809 for an 818 though. the price dropped today and it's only $100 more than what i paid for the 809.

The xt32 version of audyssey may well be worth $100. Good luck.
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Their 818 price is now $20 less than I paid for my 809 in 2011.

Not going to upgrade though, I like to get at least ten years of service from any piece of gear. Maybe when 4k becomes pervasive and cheap.
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Originally Posted by dr_gallup View Post

Their 818 price is now $20 less than I paid for my 809 in 2011.
Not going to upgrade though, I like to get at least ten years of service from any piece of gear. Maybe when 4k becomes pervasive and cheap.

i just received my 809 in the mail from Amazon on Friday. Haven't unboxed it yet. Is it worth the hassle of returning? I do have a few legacy items that I am going to be connecting that use S-Video (SNES and N64). I could always by pass the receiver for these video inputs if the differences between the two are worth it.
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Should I purchase the 809 or the 717?

Both are the same price on Amazon. I dont have a 3D TV nor do I want one. Built in Klipsh in new house. What is the real difference between these two? Is the older 800 series better than the new 700 series?


Thanks for the help
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Originally Posted by 1voiceofreason View Post

Should I purchase the 809 or the 717?
Both are the same price on Amazon. I dont have a 3D TV nor do I want one. Built in Klipsh in new house. What is the real difference between these two? Is the older 800 series better than the new 700 series?
Thanks for the help

Oh, I'd have to say, unless the 717 has some feature you must have, that the 809 does not, definitely go with the 809. The 809 is a 40 pound beast and has some serious power, and sounds great to me. Also, the 809 has Audyssey MultEQ XT, while the 717 has Audyssey 2EQ.
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Thanks. Do you know if the 809 offers HDMI passthrough in standby mode?
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Originally Posted by 1voiceofreason View Post

Thanks. Do you know if the 809 offers HDMI passthrough in standby mode?

I'm not actually sure, but there are a lot of folks on this thread who know all about that. Hopefully, someone can answer. You can also search the thread as I'm sure it has been discussed here.
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Originally Posted by 1voiceofreason View Post

Should I purchase the 809 or the 717?

Both are the same price on Amazon. I dont have a 3D TV nor do I want one. Built in Klipsh in new house. What is the real difference between these two? Is the older 800 series better than the new 700 series?


Thanks for the help

Easy....audyssey 2EQ sucks, ausyssey multEQ XT does not. Therefor the 717 sucks and the 809 does not.biggrin.gif

Seriously though room correction is a very important feature requirement to a lot of people, myself included. Get the best you can afford. If the 717 has some must have feature that you need that the 809 does not have then get it. But IMO the 809 is a much better buy, more power, better room correction, and an overall nicely equipped feature set. If you are interested in a new onkyo model from the current line up start with the 818 and move up from there.

And yes the 809 does do HDMI pass-through when in stand-by. I dont use it myself, but it is there.
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The 809 has a rockin' HQVida video processing chip which allows ISF calibration and cranks up the color saturation. This type of chip is usually only found on recievers costing $2000 or more.
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Originally Posted by waynezo View Post

The 809 has a rockin' HQVida video processing chip which allows ISF calibration and cranks up the color saturation. This type of chip is usually only found on recievers costing $2000 or more.

Is this feature in the 818?
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Thanks. I actually just bit the bullet and got the 818. Went back on Amazon and they had it for $679 which was only a $150 premium over the 717 and 809. Seemed like a no brainer. This beast will be good for me until they completely change AV config to 4D holograms or some such crazy thing.
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Another price drop @ Amazon...Now $475.
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Originally Posted by CAL_BEAR1982 View Post

Another price drop @ Amazon...Now $475.

Unbelievable. And these are not refurbs, right? That is one heck of a deal.
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

Unbelievable. And these are not refurbs, right? That is one heck of a deal.

Yes, they aren't refurbs according to Amazon. This has lead me to think that I might want to upgrade my HT-RC360 to this. I have a thread bout it already but I been driving my Monitor 70 Polk speakers at high volumes. usually 50% volume, but 75% volume come night life and parties. I don't have a big room but it's referred to as the club room of my house. Anyway, I blew my tweeters and was recently told this could be due to having an underpowered receiver. The 809 seems to be right up the alley in terms of power. It's much larger and seems to be much more powerful, it's cheaper right now than the 709, and has preouts if I decide that I need an amplifier.

Why is this receiver though so much larger than the 709? Is it actually a lot more powerful than the 709, or the HT-RC360 I currently have?
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Originally Posted by tential View Post

Yes, they aren't refurbs according to Amazon. This has lead me to think that I might want to upgrade my HT-RC360 to this. I have a thread bout it already but I been driving my Monitor 70 Polk speakers at high volumes. usually 50% volume, but 75% volume come night life and parties. I don't have a big room but it's referred to as the club room of my house. Anyway, I blew my tweeters and was recently told this could be due to having an underpowered receiver. The 809 seems to be right up the alley in terms of power. It's much larger and seems to be much more powerful, it's cheaper right now than the 709, and has preouts if I decide that I need an amplifier.
Why is this receiver though so much larger than the 709? Is it actually a lot more powerful than the 709, or the HT-RC360 I currently have?

I guess it is possible if you have been really cranking the volume to 75% that the tweeters did get blown. Usually this occurs as a result of the amplifier "clipping" which sounds like sharp "popping" sounds.

The 809 is not really THAT much more powerful, at least according to specs. But I do believe most of why it weighs more is the larger transformer, and it can deliver more watts of dynamic power, which is important for transient peaks.

809: 40.3 pounds

300 W (3 ohms, 1 ch)
250 W (4 ohms, 1 ch)
150 W (8 ohms, 1 ch)

709: 26.9 pounds

250 W (3 ohms, 1 ch)
220 W (4 ohms, 1 ch)
130 W (8 ohms, 1 ch)

HT-RC360: 24.7 pounds

240 W (3 ohms, 1 ch)
210 W (4 ohms, 1 ch)
120 W (8 ohms, 1 ch)


So, as you can see, the 360 is the least powerful of the three. Considering that you do like to crank it up, I would think that the 809 is a no-brainer, because it can handle it better by itself, and also will allow you to add a separate amp later if you choose.
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Originally Posted by tential View Post

Yes, they aren't refurbs according to Amazon. This has lead me to think that I might want to upgrade my HT-RC360 to this. I have a thread bout it already but I been driving my Monitor 70 Polk speakers at high volumes. usually 50% volume, but 75% volume come night life and parties. I don't have a big room but it's referred to as the club room of my house. Anyway, I blew my tweeters and was recently told this could be due to having an underpowered receiver. The 809 seems to be right up the alley in terms of power. It's much larger and seems to be much more powerful, it's cheaper right now than the 709, and has preouts if I decide that I need an amplifier.
Why is this receiver though so much larger than the 709? Is it actually a lot more powerful than the 709, or the HT-RC360 I currently have?



It's heavier than the 709 also. It has a lager power supply. Personally, I think it's better looking than the 709. I had a 709 for a couple of weeks, then returned it when Amazon had a refurb 809 available for $418. That is a great price for a new 809. The difference in power is negligible between the rc360 and the 809. What were you listening to when you blew out your tweeters? What were you drinking? lol. Here's a good article:

http://sound.westhost.com/tweeters.htm

If you want some party speakers, pick up some old Cerwin-Vega speakers on Craigslist.

Go here to compare Onkyo receivers:

http://www.us.onkyo.com/prod_class.cfm?class=Receiver&m=all
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Originally Posted by CAL_BEAR1982 View Post

Another price drop @ Amazon...Now $475.

NOW $449 eek.gif How low will it go??? LOL!
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Originally Posted by tential View Post

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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

Unbelievable. And these are not refurbs, right? That is one heck of a deal.

Yes, they aren't refurbs according to Amazon. This has lead me to think that I might want to upgrade my HT-RC360 to this. I have a thread bout it already but I been driving my Monitor 70 Polk speakers at high volumes. usually 50% volume, but 75% volume come night life and parties. I don't have a big room but it's referred to as the club room of my house. Anyway, I blew my tweeters and was recently told this could be due to having an underpowered receiver. The 809 seems to be right up the alley in terms of power. It's much larger and seems to be much more powerful, it's cheaper right now than the 709, and has preouts if I decide that I need an amplifier.

Why is this receiver though so much larger than the 709? Is it actually a lot more powerful than the 709, or the HT-RC360 I currently have?

Should you choose the 809, you will be pleasantly pleased with the performance the 70s have running off it.....I know I am.biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by CAL_BEAR1982 View Post

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Originally Posted by CAL_BEAR1982 View Post

Another price drop @ Amazon...Now $475.

NOW $449 eek.gif How low will it go??? LOL!

Now thats is a steel!

I got my 809 for just over $500 this past summer as an open box unit. $450 for a brand new in box is a huge deal for this avr. isnt the msrp right around $1100 or so?...damn.
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Originally Posted by 67jason View Post

Should you choose the 809, you will be pleasantly pleased with the performance the 70s have running off it.....I know I am.biggrin.gif

I have the 809 with a set of Monitor 70s, CS2 center, and Klipsh RW-12d sub. I tend to have the volume around 45-50 for TV watching. Is this normal or do I need to some calibrating? For movies I have no problem putting it up to 65-70.
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Originally Posted by CAL_BEAR1982 View Post

Another price drop @ Amazon...Now $475.

Just ordered mine. Says delivery 12/24. I'll be out of town till the 26th, so I guess they'll redeliver it then. Replacing a 805 that I've been very pleased with. I'll have to figure out if I want to keep it, or try to sell it.
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Just ordered mine at $450 from Amazon. Ask for a pricematch if you got it for more than that. I was looking to go Denon, but this is too good of a deal to pass up.

I admittedly have not scoured this thread yet, but does anyone know if you can display two different sources simultaneously via the two HDMI outs?
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Originally Posted by jaydw11 View Post

thanks. i actually found a device called the HDMI Detective in a Denon thread that looks promising. $85 on Amazon.
i still think i'm going to swap the 809 for an 818 though. the price dropped today and it's only $100 more than what i paid for the 809.

That's pretty ridiculous that you'd have to buy another device to fix this issue. After seeing this unit on Slickdeals today for so cheap well....it's definitely a gamble.
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

I guess it is possible if you have been really cranking the volume to 75% that the tweeters did get blown. Usually this occurs as a result of the amplifier "clipping" which sounds like sharp "popping" sounds.
The 809 is not really THAT much more powerful, at least according to specs. But I do believe most of why it weighs more is the larger transformer, and it can deliver more watts of dynamic power, which is important for transient peaks.
809: 40.3 pounds
300 W (3 ohms, 1 ch)
250 W (4 ohms, 1 ch)
150 W (8 ohms, 1 ch)
709: 26.9 pounds
250 W (3 ohms, 1 ch)
220 W (4 ohms, 1 ch)
130 W (8 ohms, 1 ch)
HT-RC360: 24.7 pounds
240 W (3 ohms, 1 ch)
210 W (4 ohms, 1 ch)
120 W (8 ohms, 1 ch)
So, as you can see, the 360 is the least powerful of the three. Considering that you do like to crank it up, I would think that the 809 is a no-brainer, because it can handle it better by itself, and also will allow you to add a separate amp later if you choose.
I can definitely see that. The 709 isn't even an option it costs more than the 809 lol. The 809 just dropped AGAIN to 450 so like everyone is saying it's a steal. What you just described there is the exact reason I was thinking of upgrading. The 809 weighs a lot more which lead me to believe as well that is has a bigger transformer and the option of an amplifier sounds amazing. I could run my Monitor 70s off that Emotiva 3x200 amplifier and add a CS2 center channel as well, and let the receiver run the surrounds. That sounds like a great deal though and especially since it has more power and can take care of my tweeters so I don't blow more.
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

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It's heavier than the 709 also. It has a lager power supply. Personally, I think it's better looking than the 709. I had a 709 for a couple of weeks, then returned it when Amazon had a refurb 809 available for $418. That is a great price for a new 809. The difference in power is negligible between the rc360 and the 809. What were you listening to when you blew out your tweeters? What were you drinking? lol. Here's a good article:
http://sound.westhost.com/tweeters.htm
If you want some party speakers, pick up some old Cerwin-Vega speakers on Craigslist.
Go here to compare Onkyo receivers:
http://www.us.onkyo.com/prod_class.cfm?class=Receiver&m=all
This is a little different than the quote I quoted above me so I guess this is what will be making me hold off on this decision for a second until I'm sure. The 809 and RC360 weigh a whole 15 lbs different. Like the post I quoted above, this leads me to believe it has a larger transformer and can deliver more power (I'm a noob I don't know terminology so yes I sound stupid lol. I'd think maybe the 709 and the RC360 are on par. There is very little difference between the two feature wise, weight wise, etc.
As for what was I listening to when the tweeters blew? I'm not very sure.
The last songs on my itunes to be played were at 3:30 in the morning:
One More Drink - Ludacris
Armin Van Buuren - Drowning
I Can't Stop - Flux Pavillion
Got to Know - Flux Pavillion
Drowning again
Me & You - Cassie
Marvin and Chardonnay - Big Sean

My guess is Marvin and Chardonnay blew the tweeters as I was playing at 75% and I know full well when that song comes on I need to turn my speakers down as it's extremely loud treble wise.
What was I drinking lol? I dunno, I woke up and a 100 proof espresso smirnoff bottle was gone, there were about 6 3 liter sodas gone out of my fridge, a cheap vodka on my table that was killed, and I know it was a new one since we killed a bottle of that at my friends apartment before even going out. My memories of the night are very very vague. I know there were multiple people grinding on eachother, my boy was getting the ride of his life on the couch by some girl.
As for party speakers, those speakers look really heavy duty for like an actual party room. Like the ones we actually have in our party room at my fraternity. My room is only 12 by 12, the Monitor 70s are more than enough I would think to play music at club volume levels in a small room lol. Since having the Monitor 70s in my room I'd say my room is packed Thursday through Saturday with at least 20 people. I'm always unsure how that many people fit in one small ass room, but it always is packed and a raging party/after party spot lol.
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Originally Posted by 67jason View Post

Should you choose the 809, you will be pleasantly pleased with the performance the 70s have running off it.....I know I am.biggrin.gif
I'm already VERY happy with the Monitor 70s. I want the Klipsch RF-7s or RTis but to be honest I'm so happy with these at the moment the only upgrade I'm considering is the new receiver with pre outs and and an amplifier to see the full potential of these speakers.

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Originally Posted by terp2007 View Post

I have the 809 with a set of Monitor 70s, CS2 center, and Klipsh RW-12d sub. I tend to have the volume around 45-50 for TV watching. Is this normal or do I need to some calibrating? For movies I have no problem putting it up to 65-70.
I'd say that's really loud? Are you sure something isn't broken? The only time I have it at 45-50 it's VERY loud for TV. 65-70 for a movie is close to unbearable. Unless the 809 has a different maximum volume it would seem something is off? That's just my opinion though my maximum volume is 80 on my HT-RC360 and I have the same thing you do, except I don't have a CS2 center yet. Same sub though. Treble is at +6. My normal listening levels are 25-40 for TV. 40-55 for a movie depending on how loud I can tolerate it. If I have my Sub at 0db, and I turn it up to 60 past 60 it's unbearable to listen to. Also depends on your room size though I have a 12 by 12 room about so if you have a bigger room I don't know! Still seems a little odd.
Edit: After rereading the thread and realizing the volume levels are different, your 45/50 is my 25-40 probably. Your 65-70 is my 55-60 which is what I use for movies. Assuming I'm right and the max level is 99 for the 809, then it seems perfectly fine. Hell, considering you are using the 809 which outputs more power you definitely are doing fine.

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Originally Posted by siddavis View Post

Just ordered mine at $450 from Amazon. Ask for a pricematch if you got it for more than that. I was looking to go Denon, but this is too good of a deal to pass up.
I admittedly have not scoured this thread yet, but does anyone know if you can display two different sources simultaneously via the two HDMI outs?

VERY CURIOUS about this as well. If so this will be purchased right away. Being able to watch Football games and still play Halo would be amazing.
Edited by tential - 12/20/12 at 6:21pm
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Hey everyone! I'm thinking about purchasing an 809 because of the GREAT deal going on right now at Amazon and I had a question. Does anyone here own an iPhone 5 and can confirm whether or not it works through the USB like the old iPhones used to? I haven't been able to find any info and would appreciate any help if at all possible. Thanks a bunch in advance.
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Quick question - when you mute the receiver, will it overlay a mute symbol or some other designation on the connected screen?
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Originally Posted by siddavis View Post

Just ordered mine at $450 from Amazon. Ask for a pricematch if you got it for more than that. I was looking to go Denon, but this is too good of a deal to pass up.
I admittedly have not scoured this thread yet, but does anyone know if you can display two different sources simultaneously via the two HDMI outs?

No - the HDMI out main feeds your tv and the HDMI sub out sends the same signal to a projector, monitor or other device.
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“Monitor Out” set to “Both”, “Both(Main)” or “Both(Sub)”
Video input signals flow through the AV receiver as shown,
with composite video, S-Video, PC IN (Analog RGB) and
component video sources all being upconverted for both
HDMI outputs. Use these settings if you connect both the
HDMI OUT MAIN and HDMI OUT SUB of the AV
receiver to your TV.

The composite video, S-Video and component video outputs
pass through their respective input signals as they are.

􀁠Both: Video signals are output from both HDMI outputs
at the resolution supported by both TVs. You cannot
select “Resolution” setting.

􀁠Both(Main): Video signals are output from both HDMI
outputs but HDMI OUT MAIN takes priority; depending
on the resolution, video signals may not be output from
HDMI OUT SUB.

􀁠Both(Sub): Video signals are output from both HDMI outputs but HDMI OUT SUB takes priority; depending on the
resolution, video signals may not be output from HDMI OUT MAIN.
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