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post #5101 of 5807
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Originally Posted by Sven26 View Post

and before anyone asks, it has 1.5 ft of clearance above it with an in-wall fan to ventilate the closet it is in...so heat wasn't the issue.

I cant say for sure why yours caught fire. it does sound like you may have abused it though- played music too loud for too long and didn't follow the troubleshooting guidelines in the manual in the event of an unexpected shut off. You also didn't say anything about the side and back clearance you have. Onkyo clearly states minimum requirements for proper ventilation and only having ample space above the unit does not meet onkyo's recommended requirements.

onkyo says on page 2 of the English version of the manual:
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If you install the apparatus in a built-in installation, such as a bookcase or rack, ensure that there is adequate ventilation. Leave 20 cm (8") of free space at the top and sides and 10 cm (4") at the rear. The rear edge of the shelf or board above the apparatus shall be set 10 cm (4") away from the rear panel or wall, creating a flue-like gap for warm air to escape.



onkyo says on page 79 of the English version of the manual:
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The AV receiver turns off unexpectedly
The AV receiver will automatically enter standby mode when Auto Standby has been set and launches.

When the power is restored after a power interruption, “CHECK SPWIRE” appears on the display

The protection circuit has been activated. Remove the power cord from the wall outlet immediately Disconnect all speaker cables and input sources, and leave the AV receiver with its power cord disconnected for 1 hour. After that, reconnect the power cord and set the volume to maximum. If the AV receiver stays on, set the volume to minimum, disconnect the power cord, and reconnect your speakers and input sources. If the AV receiver turns off when you set the volume to maximum, disconnect the power cord, and contact your Onkyo dealer.
post #5102 of 5807
I'm running external amps, my 809 barely gets warm.

I have a cabinet that has a bit less room behind but plenty of air over it.
post #5103 of 5807
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Originally Posted by 67jason View Post

I cant say for sure why yours caught fire. it does sound like you may have abused it though- played music too loud for too long and didn't follow the troubleshooting guidelines in the manual in the event of an unexpected shut off. You also didn't say anything about the side and back clearance you have. Onkyo clearly states minimum requirements for proper ventilation and only having ample space above the unit does not meet onkyo's recommended requirements.

Where does it state in their manual "our **** will start on fire if you don't do this"? To think the line "clearly states" somehow gives a receiver maker the excuse to start on fire gave me a good laugh. It should have shut down on thermal LONG before then. wink.gif
post #5104 of 5807
I thought it did shutdown before the fire started.rolleyes.gif
post #5105 of 5807
ok, grabbed the 809 today, getting in a few days..

Hope the learning curve from my Onkyo 706 is not too great, as i have to teach the family for switching to PS3, Cable etc..

Q. I have my PS3 hard wired ethernet to my router, and stream alot of video etc. Will i have to run a separate network cable to 809 unit? or is there any means to use a single network cable?

My 706 has Audyssey , but is it the same version on 809?


thanks
post #5106 of 5807
jlm86, just run a unmanaged network switch. For that it is essentially a splitter. A managed switch will work also but probably unnessisary complicate your network.
post #5107 of 5807
I was hoping someone could help me out. I received my 809 last week and just got around to setting it up. Everything for the most part is working great. However, I can't seem to get any picture out of the HDMI Sub port. What I’m trying to do is run all of my cable sources through the Main HDMI so I can upconvert and then have my HTPC run through the HDMI Sub and leave it as a pass through. Is this possible?

I have the HDMI Main plugged into HDMI 1 on my TV and HDMI Sub plugged into HDMI 2 on my TV. Watching anything off the HDMI Main works perfectly fine but when I switch to HDMI 2 on my TV I get no picture and can only hear sound.

Is what I’m trying to do possible? If not what’s the point of having two HDMI outs?

Thanks for any help.
Edited by BDP33 - 3/15/13 at 10:57am
post #5108 of 5807
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Originally Posted by BDP33 View Post

I was hoping someone could help me out. I received my 809 last week and just got around to setting it up. Everything for the most part is working great. However, I can't seem to get any picture out of the HDMI Sub port. What I’m trying to do is run all of my cable sources through the Main HDMI so I can upconvert and then have my HTPC run through the HDMI Sub and leave it as a pass through. Is this possible?

I have the HDMI Main plugged into HDMI 1 on my TV and HDMI Sub plugged into HDMI 2 on my TV. Watching anything off the HDMI Main works perfectly fine but when I switch to HDMI 2 on my TV I get no picture and can only hear sound.

Is what I’m trying to do possible? If not what’s the point of having two HDMI outs?

Thanks for any help.

The purpose of the second HDMI output is to feed a separate/different display.

I would recommend two options:-
1. As you are, making sure Menu Item 1-1 Monitor Output is set correctly

2. Remove the second HDMI, and set the AVR to output HDMI individually by Source input. Do this by Menu Item 1-1 set to Monitor=HDMI Main, Resolution set to Source. Then Menu Item 4-5 can be set for EACH of your Source inputs (look at the top right for which one you are controlling). Make Picture Mode=Custom, and scroll down to Resolution. make EACH Source the setting you require, probably 1080P. And for your "pass through" Source, select it, and then 4-5 should be set to Picture Mode. = Direct.

Option 2 is best solution.
post #5109 of 5807
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

ok, grabbed the 809 today, getting in a few days..

Hope the learning curve from my Onkyo 706 is not too great, as i have to teach the family for switching to PS3, Cable etc..

Q. I have my PS3 hard wired ethernet to my router, and stream alot of video etc. Will i have to run a separate network cable to 809 unit? or is there any means to use a single network cable?

My 706 has Audyssey , but is it the same version on 809?


thanks

The Audyssey version on the 809 is XT, which I suspect is different. There are plenty of posts on this forum for getting the best out of your Audyssey setup. It doesn't take too long to setup, but it can get tiresome. Read about it first, do it once, do it properly.

I agree with the other poster, buy a $10 switch, connect the existing network cable out of the PS3, and into it. Then connect both devices to the switch.
post #5110 of 5807
I know I'm a couple years off of ordering this thing but I saw the price for $513.00 on amazon and couldn't hold off any longer. Upgraded from an Onkyo tx-606 and all I can say is wow and I have only watched a bluray movie and played a couple rounds of halo. Even in a video game audio I could tell a huge difference between the 2 receivers.
post #5111 of 5807
I experienced something last night with this new receiver that I never did with my old 606. While playing Halo some sounds especially sounds that would come through the center channel seemed very very flat. Then sometimes sounds out of the surround channels were overbearing... Is this a problem with the receiver or should I turn off the THX while playing? Would that help with this problem?
post #5112 of 5807
I assume Halo is a game :-)

There are no audio standards for games to comply with, so who knows what the true intentions where? But if you post your settings, rather leaving us to guess what you have done, would enable people to make suggestions.
post #5113 of 5807
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Originally Posted by mngmikes View Post

I experienced something last night with this new receiver that I never did with my old 606. While playing Halo some sounds especially sounds that would come through the center channel seemed very very flat. Then sometimes sounds out of the surround channels were overbearing... Is this a problem with the receiver or should I turn off the THX while playing? Would that help with this problem?

Are you playing in THX Games mode?
post #5114 of 5807
I finally got time to hook up everything to my 809 and I am getting real pissed real quick....Here is what I have connected:

1.) DirecTv Standard Def Set Top Box, using R/Y/W cable connected to the Red/Yellow/White Sat/Cable input section on back of 809. I haven't upgraded to HD thus the box doesn't have an HDMI output.

2.) Sharp VCR connected using R/Y/W cable to the Red/Yellow/White VCR input on the back of the 809.

3.) Fat PS3 connected using an HDMI Cable, connected to the HDMI/Game input on back of 809.

4.) Main HDMI out of 809 connected using an HDMI cable, to HDMI (ARC) input 1 on TV (Sharp 60" Aquos 847OU)

The problem I am having is I cannot, for the life of me, understand how to, or get the AVR to pass through the DirecTv signal when the receiver is off/standby mode...I want this enabled so the GF and her kids can just turn on the TV and watch TV without using, and thus getting confused with, the AVR......How to I get the receiver to pass through the DirecTv signal when the receiver is off?

I have the manual (Printed it out and have it in a nice 3 ring binder) yet it is very overwhelming and confusing. If someone would be so kind to provide me with a walk through, step by step directions on how to accomplish this I would be greatly appreciated.
post #5115 of 5807
From what I am reading. I don't think you can. The avr is converting you non hdmi signal of the directtv to hdmi out (you connection to the TV) thus you cannot simply pass that signal through with the avr off. Only same "type" of signal such as hdmi in hdmi out. So you should be able to pass the ps3 signal through with the avr on.
post #5116 of 5807
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

From what I am reading. I don't think you can. The avr is converting you non hdmi signal of the directtv to hdmi out (you connection to the TV) thus you cannot simply pass that signal through with the avr off. Only same "type" of signal such as hdmi in hdmi out. So you should be able to pass the ps3 signal through with the avr on.

I knew I wasn't that dumb, thought I was in the right areas of the manual and configuring it correctly, UGh...

So what your saying is due to the fact that the Cable Box is hooked up with RCA cables, and the AVR is connected to the TV with HDMI, I cannot pass "through" a RCA connected signal through the HDMI Main Out to the TV...Pass through is only able to pass "through" signals connected using the same type of connections IE: HDMI connected device passed through the HDMI Main Out?

If I ran another set of RCA cables from the Cable/Sat output to the TV RCA input, would I be able to pass this through?....If so then how would I listen to TV when I wanted to listen to TV using the AVR speakers and not the TV's?, which would be rare but.....

Thanks.....Well time to go weld up a broken Surround Rear Speaker Stand......Ugh, it never ends...
post #5117 of 5807
You would need to send an audio signal directly from the cable to the TV.
post #5118 of 5807
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

You would need to send an audio signal directly from the cable to the TV.
....

I am not even getting the video to pass through, let alone the audio.....I know and have optical audio cable and could hook that up but how does that solve the no video pass through?
post #5119 of 5807
It doesn't as you have it setup now. Basically you need to upgrade your cable box to HD in order to do what you are asking.

Even if you hook the RCA outs from the avr to the TV you I am not 100% confident you will get passthrough.
post #5120 of 5807
Thats what I thought.....Was going to upgrade the Satellite service to HD anyways, this will make it happen sooner. Thanks for the help, thanks for letting me know that I am not a complete fool.
post #5121 of 5807
@KTM, it will only pass an HDMI input source when in standby. Also note that the unit will draw up to 50 - 60 Watts of power in standby with HDMI Through enabled, you'll notice the top back will be warm to the touch.

More info - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1341271/official-onkyo-tx-nr809-thread/4890#post_22793089

Pg. 60

HDMI Through

`Auto: Detects the signal and automatically selects the input source.
`BD/DVD, VCR/DVR, CBL/SAT, GAME, PC,
AUX, TV/CD, PHONO, PORT:
Selects the input source for which the HDMI
Through function is enabled.
`Last: The HDMI Through function is activated on the input source selected at the time of setting the AV receiver to standby mode.
When enabling the HDMI Through function, regardless of whether the AV receiver is on or in standby, both audio and video streams from an HDMI input will be output to the TV or other components via HDMI connection. The
HDMI THRU and HDMI indicators light when enabled (HDMI is dimly-lit).
This setting is set to “Auto” automatically when the above “HDMI Control(RIHD)” is set to “On".
Edited by Sabrewulf... - 3/19/13 at 6:52pm
post #5122 of 5807
Tomorrow, when no one is home I will run Audessy and try to get the "LOUDNESS" and or punch this AVR seems to be lacking...I know it's a setting thing and I am running it "Right out of the Box" so hopefully it will sound better. All music is through PS3, and home Laptops...Any discrete settings I should be looking for that a newbee should know about? Processing settings, bitstreams, PCM, and how the avr handles the music fed to it.....I've read this whole thread and know others faced similar concerns as me when first plugging it in. I'm learning quickly but most all of these acronyms, settings and tech confuses me, I benefit from the step by step, for dummies explanations.

Thanks to all here that have helped me thus far.
post #5123 of 5807
just connected up my 809...

I ran the Audyssey and it set my speakers to 40hz crossovers on the front?
This cannot be corrrect i don't believe...

any ideas?
thanks


HSU Hybrid 15 package (with VTF-15 sub)
post #5124 of 5807
Tomorrow, when no one is home I will run Audessy and try to get the "LOUDNESS" and or punch this AVR seems to be lacking...I know it's a setting thing and I am running it "Right out of the Box" so hopefully it will sound better. All music is through PS3, and home Laptops...Any discrete settings I should be looking for that a newbee should know about? Processing settings, bitstreams, PCM, and how the avr handles the music fed to it.....I've read this whole thread and know others faced similar concerns as me when first plugging it in. I'm learning quickly but most all of these acronyms, settings and tech confuses me, I benefit from the step by step, for dummies explanations.

Thanks to all here that have helped me thus far.
post #5125 of 5807
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

just connected up my 809...

I ran the Audyssey and it set my speakers to 40hz crossovers on the front?
This cannot be corrrect i don't believe...

any ideas?
thanks


HSU Hybrid 15 package (with VTF-15 sub)

yes its incorrect...try them at 80hz (THX standard)

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Originally Posted by KTM300EXC View Post

Tomorrow, when no one is home I will run Audessy and try to get the "LOUDNESS" and or punch this AVR seems to be lacking...I know it's a setting thing and I am running it "Right out of the Box" so hopefully it will sound better. All music is through PS3, and home Laptops...Any discrete settings I should be looking for that a newbee should know about? Processing settings, bitstreams, PCM, and how the avr handles the music fed to it.....I've read this whole thread and know others faced similar concerns as me when first plugging it in. I'm learning quickly but most all of these acronyms, settings and tech confuses me, I benefit from the step by step, for dummies explanations.

Thanks to all here that have helped me thus far.

Just make sure your dynamic volume is set to off at the end. also as the above poster has confirmed...make sure the Xover is set at 80hz...40 is too low if you have a dedicated sub.

Dynamic EQ is up to you...play around and see what you like. Me personally I use dynamic EQ music for 2 .1 listening only...and have it off for movies. Do you have an SPL meter?

you should run audyssey then double check its settings using the pink noise from the avr to level match all the channels to 75db. then using a disc on you ps3 that has test tones do this again (this will level match using the audyssey room correction) you should love the sound..i wouldn't get to worried by out of the box
post #5126 of 5807
Anyone here who used to own Onkyo 807 and now using 809?


here's the story //

I was visiting a friend last weekend and boy was i impressed with the details of his system. He was telling me that it was due to older receivers having not much dynamics vs. the newer once. Though the amp section (raw power) of his older Onkyo 805 was better than the 809 (albeit minimal), the dynamics was the key factor. He was using SAME the power amp (plinius) and the only difference was he is using htpc now vs. NMT before.
Any thoughts on this? thanks smile.gif

i am currently using 807 btw, and i am wondering is the 2 year gap of technology between my 807 and his 809 is really that far?
Edited by ninjababez - 3/20/13 at 3:52pm
post #5127 of 5807
I finally bought an 809 to use as a pre pro. Very nice unit. I have read much of this thread and the Audyssey thread/FAQ but didn't find the answers so help would be appreciated.

I see others post about lack of bass after calibration. Before running MULTI EQ XT the UI asks to level the sub to 75db before running it. I found that to be low especially after running a level check for each speaker, the speakers were louder than the sub and with MULTI EQ and it's test tones the sub played a much lower test tone as well. Lack of bass and underwhelming is an understatement.

I had to boost the sub 10-12db to get the levels right. And that's for all sources. Should I rerun it or are other experiencing similar results? It seems when I play the test tones and do a manual calibration after I am at 85db on the sub with the other speakers all set at 75db to get the sub output correct. Not sure why... I have all my speakers to small/ 80hz, sub set at 120hz. Now I get some oomph and it sounds really good but it just does not seem right.

Initially my sub gain was set at about 1/4. I have never had it that low with all the gear I have had in the past so I readjusted the gain to about 10 oclock. The levels in the receiver for the speakers run from -2 to +1.5db for all 7 speakers. The sub is now set at +4.5 which reads 85-86db on my sound level meter when running the tests.

I am concerned that initially when I ran MULTI EQ with the sub level set that low (the initial 75db)that the test tones were not loud enough and it didn't calibrate properly. It had set all my speakers to 40-50hz, I went back in after and changed them all to 80hz. Almost as if that's where all the missing bass went. until I leveled the sub to 85db that is.

I read that many with Audyssey run their DTS tracks 10db hot to compensate in many systems but for me it's global. Watched Matrix Reloaded in True HD and Gladiator in DTS Master as my two reference disks. Tracks that I know very well in terms of LFE with the various scenes. Bass was very underwhelming until I boosted the sub 10db. Just seeing if others have done this or something else or if I'm just dead wrong in what I am doing:)
post #5128 of 5807
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

The purpose of the second HDMI output is to feed a separate/different display.

I would recommend two options:-
1. As you are, making sure Menu Item 1-1 Monitor Output is set correctly

2. Remove the second HDMI, and set the AVR to output HDMI individually by Source input. Do this by Menu Item 1-1 set to Monitor=HDMI Main, Resolution set to Source. Then Menu Item 4-5 can be set for EACH of your Source inputs (look at the top right for which one you are controlling). Make Picture Mode=Custom, and scroll down to Resolution. make EACH Source the setting you require, probably 1080P. And for your "pass through" Source, select it, and then 4-5 should be set to Picture Mode. = Direct.

Option 2 is best solution.

Thanks I'll give this a shot.
post #5129 of 5807
I went through H**L with Audyssey -- run it -- go back to set crossover manually to 80Hz. Fixed everything (almost) for me.

You can adjust input levels of varous devices to balance loudness when you switch.
post #5130 of 5807
Tried running Audessy and noticed I wasn't getting a test tone out of my Right Rear Speaker.....I am running a typical 5.1 system, 3 speakers up front and the Sub, then 2 speakers flanking my couch as I don't have space behind the couch....A simple check of the speaker connection ended up with me ripping out all of the wiring I did the day before to tidy things up, figuring now was the time as I was behind there checking speaker connections. Anyways that resulted in me being late (By my standards) to work and thus I didn't get to re-run Audessy, will do so in the AM.....

1 question though, with my Rear Speakers, flanking my couch, what terminals should I have the rears connected to? I know there is 2 different speaker connections for the rear? (The names escape me right now) however with just running a 5.1 configuration, and with my rear speaker placement, what port should I hook them up to?

Also for "Power" during my initial failed attempt at running Audessy where it has you set the Sub to 75Db I too thought this was very low compared to the frt. and center speaker test tones? Also I had to turn my subs volume down very low compared to where I had manually set it for quickly watching a movie the previous night, the sub did "Rattle" a bit and perhaps didnt sound perfect but it had some good punch, I'm hoping with turning it down to the recommended 75DB and successfully running Audessy, that it will deliver the loudness I like out of my Sub....If not I'll incrementally raise it like you did, also have read good things about setting cross overs all to 80Hz(Is that correct) for better performance....

Looks like back to re-reading this entire thread for help with Audessy (I know there's a separate thread for that) yet I suck at using the "Search This Thread" feature and never get useable results....After reading this whole thread I know my answers are contained within, just need to dig through and find them.....
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