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post #5701 of 5803
Page 48 describes how to set "Double Bass" to do this. I use Subwoffer out x2 seen in this image;

Under the IR ports on the right side, those are the same 2 you are using, correct?
post #5702 of 5803
Yes, those are the ports I'm using.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but using Double Bass requires setting the FL and FR channels to full range, does it not? Since that has the potential to damage the B&W bookshelves I use up front, I'd prefer to avoid that. smile.gif

Could I not accomplish something similar by setting the Onkyo Sub Crossover to 120Hz and using both inputs on the subwoofer, like a Line Input?
post #5703 of 5803
so I stopped at radio shack on the way home and picked up a y-cable for the primary sub, made some adjustments, and just finished watching Man of Steel. whatever was causing the lfe spot had definitely been resolved!

thanks for the help all!
post #5704 of 5803
Oh no.... help
I use Net radio all the time..
Now the OSD will not show on TV and cannot navigate any stations..
All other OSD works..

Anyone help?
Thanks
post #5705 of 5803
Reboot your router, assuming you are not ethernet connected.

Set network to disable dhcp. Re-connect to your lan with your lan password and check results.

Doug k
post #5706 of 5803
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Originally Posted by ltd76gold View Post

Reboot your router, assuming you are not ethernet connected.

Set network to disable dhcp. Re-connect to your lan with your lan password and check results.

Doug k

If you follow this advice, your 809 will not reconnect to your LAN for the next 100 years, assuming that is the problem in the first place.

Disabling DHCP means your router will not let ANYTHING connect that you have not already assigned a static IP to.

A static IP is when you enter your routers client configuration tables and hard code a devices IP, either the current one it is using, or one of your choosing. You can do this by using the MAC address. Lets say you go in to your router and find the Onkyo is using 192.168.1.123, you can make that IP static (permanent). This is convenient for example when you want to log in to the Onkyo web interface as the address is always the same. It is also a SMALL measure of security, although anyone who knows anything can spoof their way in via MAC addy cloning, but its free and better than nothing.

Once you have made all your devices IP's static, THEN you can disable DHCP and nothing else can or will connect to your LAN.

Your Onkyo receivers NIC could have also died, in which case it will never connect via Ethernet cable again, but may connect wirelessly.

So before fooling with your router, try the other method to what you were using previously, I.E. if you were connecting wirelessly, try a network cable, if you were using a network cable, try a wireless dongle. Then try a hard reset of the Onkyo and see if it pulls an IP, then power cycle your router, etc,

Pete
post #5707 of 5803
It works!
First I fooled with disabled DC ;Reset router etc... No luck

I took a new cat5 cable and plugged into switch I have...
It then configured itself!

Thanks for replies... Whew..
I know these HDMI boards have WA issues and was worried I was going to have to junk it... Love the Net mode...
post #5708 of 5803
I sure learn a lot reading this forum. Quick question from a newbie. I have the 809 and when I press the mute button the sound definitely diminishes but there is still some sound coming through all channels. I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. Thanks in advance

JR
post #5709 of 5803
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Originally Posted by joereask View Post

I sure learn a lot reading this forum. Quick question from a newbie. I have the 809 and when I press the mute button the sound definitely diminishes but there is still some sound coming through all channels. I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. Thanks in advance

JR

 

I think there is a setting that says what the mute volume is...under MISC setup I think.  Check your manual, Page 59 on mine at least.  Good Luck!

 

.

Muting Level

 

dB (fully muted), –50dB to –10dB in 10 dB steps.

This setting determines how much the output is muted

when the muting function is used ( page 42).

post #5710 of 5803
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

Oh no.... help
I use Net radio all the time..
Now the OSD will not show on TV and cannot navigate any stations..
All other OSD works..

Anyone help?
Thanks

I would suggest a reset, it has worked for me before when I get strange behavior. You won't lose any of your settings. Turn it off and unplug it for about 30 seconds. See if that works. Beyond that, I assume you're connected to the TV via HDMI since all your other OSD works. If this doesn't work, you can navigate from the front panel of the Onkyo but it's a pain.


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post #5711 of 5803
I'm sure this has been covered before & I probably could figure it out form the manual but I'm hoping someone has already tried this and can give me a straight answer.

I'm currently using the 809 in a 7.1 setup all (except sub) powered by the receiver. I have ordered another pair of front left and right speakers (Mirage OMD-28). These new speakers are less efficient than the current set (OMD-15) so I will use a separate power amp to drive the new ones. Is there any way I can use the old fronts (OMD-15) as wide fronts with the 809 or do I need to buy a 9.1 receiver?
post #5712 of 5803
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Originally Posted by dr_gallup View Post

I'm sure this has been covered before & I probably could figure it out form the manual but I'm hoping someone has already tried this and can give me a straight answer.

I'm currently using the 809 in a 7.1 setup all (except sub) powered by the receiver. I have ordered another pair of front left and right speakers (Mirage OMD-28). These new speakers are less efficient than the current set (OMD-15) so I will use a separate power amp to drive the new ones. Is there any way I can use the old fronts (OMD-15) as wide fronts with the 809 or do I need to buy a 9.1 receiver?

 

No...you have a "wide" speaker out - but it consumes the Zone 2 out...problem is I assume you are using surround backs as well ?

 

Well this is only a 7 channel out...BUT if you are going to use an external AMP to drive the FRONTS then you should be OK.  I am not  super expert and I am sure someone else will jump in for further clarification.

post #5713 of 5803
Can someone assist me with a question?

I'm looking into utilizing the USB feature of the receiver to hook up an external hdd so I can have access to music/movies from it right to the Onkyo. What I'd like to do is have the audio come through my main speakers, but also whenever I'd like to, I'd like to have the audio go to my external headphone amplifier.

Does USB "count" as a source that will play through the Zone 2 pre outs? So if I have my connection currently as-is (Front L/R speakers go from pre out on receiver to amplifier,) if I run rca's from the Zone 2 out section to the input on my headphone amp, will that work? Or does it treat USB the same way as it does HDMI in that it doesn't pass to Zone 2? Thank you,
post #5714 of 5803
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

No...you have a "wide" speaker out - but it consumes the Zone 2 out...problem is I assume you are using surround backs as well ?

Well this is only a 7 channel out...BUT if you are going to use an external AMP to drive the FRONTS then you should be OK.  I am not  super expert and I am sure someone else will jump in for further clarification.

I should have been more explicit about what I currently have. Left, center & right fronts, L & R sides and L & R backs plus powered sub.. I do use the Zone 2 outs to drive a separate pre-amp & amp for bedroom and dining room speakers. However, I could just run separate stereo outputs from the sources to the stereo pre-amp since the Onkyo won't send the HDMI digital inputs to the analog Zone 2 outs anyways.

So what I am considering switching to would be a 9.1 with the above plus wide fronts left & right. So would I need an external amp for just the main fronts or would I need another one for the wide fronts as well? I do have 2 stereo power amps I'm not using at the moment. One is pretty old & may need some refurbishing but I've been thinking about dusting it off. Maybe I DO need to find the manual.....
post #5715 of 5803
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Originally Posted by dr_gallup View Post


I should have been more explicit about what I currently have. Left, center & right fronts, L & R sides and L & R backs plus powered sub.. I do use the Zone 2 outs to drive a separate pre-amp & amp for bedroom and dining room speakers. However, I could just run separate stereo outputs from the sources to the stereo pre-amp since the Onkyo won't send the HDMI digital inputs to the analog Zone 2 outs anyways.

So what I am considering switching to would be a 9.1 with the above plus wide fronts left & right. So would I need an external amp for just the main fronts or would I need another one for the wide fronts as well? I do have 2 stereo power amps I'm not using at the moment. One is pretty old & may need some refurbishing but I've been thinking about dusting it off. Maybe I DO need to find the manual.....

Ok, so confused.

 

Sorry...I have my 3 fronts L/C/R , 2 Wides L/R and 2 Surrounds L/R and I am tapped out  - meaning I can't setup FRONTS as I have no more channels left.  This is a 7 channel (internal amped) AVR.

 

NOW - if you want more I THINK you can use external amps to power additional channels - but that is where I get confused on exactly how to do it for the MAIN Channels.  I have a Secondary Amp to power zone 2 (since I am using the wides).

 

If you don't have a manual, I can email you the PDF version...just PM me your direct email.

 

OR SOMEONE more advanced will chime in....

post #5716 of 5803
Thanks, I've just got through looking at a PDF of the manual. I don't see any way, even with external amps, that I can use this receiver in a 9.1 setup. That's what I expected, after all it is a 7.1 receiver. I also realized that I do need to keep using the Zone 2 out as some things like my turntable only have one output. So I may keep an eye out for a good deal on a 9.2 receiver but it's low on the priority list.
post #5717 of 5803
Help with Audyssey DSX. Running the front wide set up. I don't hear much from the wides in the main seating while watching movies . In the 809 3-4 Audyssey DSX Soundstage there are settings. Do I adjust it to +3dB or reference ?
The front main speakers appear to overwhelm the wides. Can somebody show me what and how to properly position the wides as they relate to the front mains, distance, angles, etc. What tools would I need to properly get this set up working, like i think it should be.
I can't run heights as the front wides are tower speakers as well as the front mains.

Thanks for any info/help......
post #5718 of 5803
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Originally Posted by Ray77085 View Post

Help with Audyssey DSX. Running the front wide set up. I don't hear much from the wides in the main seating while watching movies . In the 809 3-4 Audyssey DSX Soundstage there are settings. Do I adjust it to +3dB or reference ?
The front main speakers appear to overwhelm the wides. Can somebody show me what and how to properly position the wides as they relate to the front mains, distance, angles, etc. What tools would I need to properly get this set up working, like i think it should be.
I can't run heights as the front wides are tower speakers as well as the front mains.

Thanks for any info/help......

 

Mmmm, so I have front wide setup same receiver and it sounds awesome...I let Audyssey set the settings and left the Soundstage at Reference....but if you find the wides to be quiet, perhaps the setup/angle is wrong.    Perhaps your speakers are not "matched"enough?  Perhaps you didn't run Audyssey the right way ?

 

Give us some more info, pictures, etc.

 

Here is a pic that will help.

 

 

 

Check out this link as well

 

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/audyssey-says-go-wide

 

 

Finally go to the Audyssey FAQ page

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779/51750#post_21782993

post #5719 of 5803
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

Mmmm, so I have front wide setup same receiver and it sounds awesome...I let Audyssey set the settings and left the Soundstage at Reference....but if you find the wides to be quiet, perhaps the setup/angle is wrong.    Perhaps your speakers are not "matched"enough?  Perhaps you didn't run Audyssey the right way ?

Give us some more info, pictures, etc.

Here is a pic that will help.





Check out this link as well

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/audyssey-says-go-wide


Finally go to the Audyssey FAQ page

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779/51750#post_21782993

Thanks so much for your reply/post toofast68. Yes I ran Audyssey in my set up, but I boosted the soundstage to +3dB thinking that would be best. Should I try it at the reference setting ? Is that setting lower or better than +3dB ? Now I have seen the pictures on the placement in regards to the speakers fronts-wides, but need to know what tool/device is used to get the 30 degree angle for the front mains and the 60 degree angle for the wides from the main seating area. Let me know exactly what you did when you set yours up. I was informed that tower speaker wides would be better than bookshelf. My front main speakers are the Klipsch KF-28 and the wides are Infinity Primus 363. I know those speakers are not tribune matched but that should not make a big difference in terms of loudness.
Here are some tape measurements that will give you an idea on where I have the mains and wides positioned to the main seating area.
I have a 73" Mits DLP TV that sits on a stand in the middle between the right and left side walls in the room The center speaker sits on the same stand underneath the TV. I have a bridge type entertainment center that has shelves to hold all of the HT components on the right and left of the TV. The main front speakers sit on the outside of those cabinets/shelves, right and left.
So the measurement from the front left main speaker to the front right main speaker is 122" overall width and the wides are 189" apart. Distance from the front main right speaker to the right wide speaker is about 46" and the left front main to the left wide is about 54". Distance to the main seating area from the front right main speaker is about 14' and the right wide is about 13'. Distance from the left main speaker is about 14' and the wide is about 13'. All speakers are toed in towards the main seating area.
I'm pretty good at understanding this ht stuff, but this is driving me crazy on how to get this set up properly with the speaker placement.
If you want I can try and upload a video of the room and where the speakers are placed as of now.
Thanks again for any info and your thoughts.
post #5720 of 5803

^^ - I used a tool like this to find the angles

 

http://www.amazon.com/General-Tools-822-5-inch-Digital/dp/B00563TM32/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391993604&sr=8-1&keywords=angle+finder

 

Wow, those wides are hard core....I have little "bookshelf" versions, see my setup in my signature.

 

But in all reality, you should be ok...

 

I think +3 is "louder" - meaning it makes the wides sound louder.  Also, you could turn the trim down in Audyssey to compensate for the loudness for the wides.

post #5721 of 5803
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

^^ - I used a tool like this to find the angles

http://www.amazon.com/General-Tools-822-5-inch-Digital/dp/B00563TM32/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391993604&sr=8-1&keywords=angle+finder

Wow, those wides are hard core....I have little "bookshelf" versions, see my setup in my signature.

But in all reality, you should be ok...

I think +3 is "louder" - meaning it makes the wides sound louder.  Also, you could turn the trim down in Audyssey to compensate for the loudness for the wides.

That's what I'm talking about !! Thanks for the info and the link to amazon. Those infinity's were on sale at a Frys when I purchased them. Maybe I'm expecting more than should be from this set up. All I know is that I don't hear very much from the wides during play back on a 7.1 Blu ray or 5.1 with DSX enabled in my main seating area. I get a lot of sound in the surrounds on the sides and front mains.
I'm going to order the tool from amazon. With that being said can you post on how you used the tool to position your speakers ? Did you use string , tape etc ? I would like to know exactly how and what you did when you used the tool.
B.T.W I checked out your set up in your signature and I will say that you have a very nice system and set up.biggrin.gif
Thanks
Edited by Ray77085 - 2/9/14 at 5:28pm
post #5722 of 5803
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Originally Posted by Ray77085 View Post


That's what I'm talking about !! Thanks for the info and the link to amazon. Those infinity's were on sale at a Frys when I purchased them. Maybe I'm expecting more than should be from this set up. All I know is that I don't hear very much from the wides during play back on a 7.1 Blu ray or 5.1 with DSX enabled in my main seating area. I get a lot of sound in the surrounds on the sides and front mains.
I'm going to order the tool from amazon. With that being said can you post on how you used the tool to position your speakers ? Did you use string , tape etc ? I would like to know exactly how and what you did when you used the tool.
B.T.W I checked out your set up in your signature and I will say that you have a very nice system and set up.biggrin.gif
Thanks

I can explain, but before I do, I really don't think that is your problem.

 

When you go into your speaker setup...what are all your settings.  When you run your test tones on the 809 how "loud" do the wides sound when compared to the rest, they should sound about the same.  That will tell if you if your setup is right.  Yes the angels will help slightly, but it is not a perfect science by all means.

post #5723 of 5803
I need some help with troubleshooting my TX-NR809; HDMI Out stopped working out of the blue... I finished watching Reservoir Dogs (DVR/cablebox) and turned everything off (Harmony 700). Less than 5 minutes later, the wife turned everything on to watch something, but alas no picture. Tested other devices, connections and cables, and all work correctly. Still no picture through HDMI Out. As a temp. patch, I changed the "Monitor Out" setting and switched the cable and input to "Sub-Out". Picture restored and all is "normal".

Does this sound like a HW problem and bad HDMI port? I recall when I had purchased this that the HDMI boards had some issues, but it was too good of a deal to pass up and I've been a happy person ever since. The unit is still under warranty and we can get by with the other "Sub-Out", but is it something that I should have the HDMI board replaced or serviced? Do they just go out, or would I hears/something if that is the issue? I don't know what else it can be as all else is working and it just stopped (no setting, firmware or other changes - just watching something, turned off, turned back on and no picture). Anyone have the board replaced and still have issues? Is there anything else that is possibly could be in setup that I am overlooking perhaps? Thanks in advance!

I should mention, I did just get a new Comcast X1 box, but I've been through its settings and it isn't the issue given the information above (I think)...
post #5724 of 5803
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

I can explain, but before I do, I really don't think that is your problem.

When you go into your speaker setup...what are all your settings.  When you run your test tones on the 809 how "loud" do the wides sound when compared to the rest, they should sound about the same.  That will tell if you if your setup is right.  Yes the angels will help slightly, but it is not a perfect science by all means.

Yes all of the speakers front,wides,surrounds,center all have about the same amount of pink noise sound and they also have what appears to be the same amount of the chirp/clap sound when running Audyssey speaker set up.

Here are the speaker settings after Audyssey Calibrations.

2.2 Front, center, wides, surrounds all have been manually changed to 80HZ as this was recommended some where.
2.3 The distance of all speakers set by Audyssey are pretty much spot on with what I measured with a tape measure to the main seating area .
2.4 Level Calibration as follows.
Left Main minus- 9.0dB
Left Wide minus- 3.5dB
Center minus- 6.0dB
Right Main minus- 8.5dB
Right Wide minus- 3.0dB
Surround R minus- 7.5dB
Surround L minus- 7.0dB
Subwoofer 0.0dB

Let me know what you think.
Thanks.
post #5725 of 5803
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Originally Posted by Ray77085 View Post


Yes all of the speakers front,wides,surrounds,center all have about the same amount of pink noise sound and they also have what appears to be the same amount of the chirp/clap sound when running Audyssey speaker set up.

Here are the speaker settings after Audyssey Calibrations.

2.2 Front, center, wides, surrounds all have been manually changed to 80HZ as this was recommended some where.
2.3 The distance of all speakers set by Audyssey are pretty much spot on with what I measured with a tape measure to the main seating area .
2.4 Level Calibration as follows.
Left Main minus- 9.0dB
Left Wide minus- 3.5dB
Center minus- 6.0dB
Right Main minus- 8.5dB
Right Wide minus- 3.0dB
Surround R minus- 7.5dB
Surround L minus- 7.0dB
Subwoofer 0.0dB

Let me know what you think.
Thanks.

 

So all that looks "perfect" - meaning nothing suggests there is a problem.  Going back to the beginning...have you tried "unplugging" he main speakers to see exactly what you hear in the wides ?  The wides won't be super loud, they are almost like surrounds on the sides though...you should hear stuff at times. 

 

Also did you try a movie you know is DTS-HD running 7.1, like Tron (the new one)

 

Bottom line is your setup looks dead on...other than making sure the wides are toed into your MLP, I am at a loss to figure out what is going on.

post #5726 of 5803
Quote:
Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

So all that looks "perfect" - meaning nothing suggests there is a problem.  Going back to the beginning...have you tried "unplugging" he main speakers to see exactly what you hear in the wides ?  The wides won't be super loud, they are almost like surrounds on the sides though...you should hear stuff at times. 

Also did you try a movie you know is DTS-HD running 7.1, like Tron (the new one)

Bottom line is your setup looks dead on...other than making sure the wides are toed into your MLP, I am at a loss to figure out what is going on.

OK Cool,
No I have not tried unplugging the mains. Like I said I hear a lot more sound from the side surrounds than I do the wides with DSX or a 7.1 disc. Now the surrounds are much closer like 6'.5" and are way above the ear level in height. I do have the new Tron on Blu Ray. So what you are saying is to unplug the mains and then pop in Tron with the wides,center and side surrounds on ? Will the Onkyo not give an error message or something without the mains connected during playback ? Well If you don't mind can you give me the pointers on properly towing in the wides with the tool from Amazon. You can send me a PM and do it when you get the chance. I just want to get this cleared up and make sure it's set right. None of my friends have a 7.1 set up, so I have nothing to judge or gauge.
Thanks for you help and I really do appreciate it very much.
post #5727 of 5803
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray77085 View Post


OK Cool,
No I have not tried unplugging the mains. Like I said I hear a lot more sound from the side surrounds than I do the wides with DSX or a 7.1 disc. Now the surrounds are much closer like 6'.5" and are way above the ear level in height. I do have the new Tron on Blu Ray. So what you are saying is to unplug the mains and then pop in Tron with the wides,center and side surrounds on ? Will the Onkyo not give an error message or something without the mains connected during playback ? Well If you don't mind can you give me the pointers on properly towing in the wides with the tool from Amazon. You can send me a PM and do it when you get the chance. I just want to get this cleared up and make sure it's set right. None of my friends have a 7.1 set up, so I have nothing to judge or gauge.
Thanks for you help and I really do appreciate it very much.

Remember the front soundstage should be "even"....meaning in a proper setup, you can't really HEAR the wides screaming content...you will certainly get the feeling of a wider sound stage, thus the name.

 

I only suggested removing the fronts, just to verify during playback the wides are indeed working....disconnect the fronts prior to turning on the 809 of course, no error will come up.

 

As for setting up the wides, I will see if I can find the original write up I used...will send you a PM either way later on.

post #5728 of 5803
Quote:
Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

Remember the front soundstage should be "even"....meaning in a proper setup, you can't really HEAR the wides screaming content...you will certainly get the feeling of a wider sound stage, thus the name.

I only suggested removing the fronts, just to verify during playback the wides are indeed working....disconnect the fronts prior to turning on the 809 of course, no error will come up.

As for setting up the wides, I will see if I can find the original write up I used...will send you a PM either way later on.

Ok,
I see...I was thinking that the wides may be too close to the mains as the mains are bigger than the wides thus taking away the wides sound ? I will play Tron without the mains and see what happens.
Thanks again for the PM as I have it.
post #5729 of 5803
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray77085 View Post


Ok,
I see...I was thinking that the wides may be too close to the mains as the mains are bigger than the wides thus taking away the wides sound ? I will play Tron without the mains and see what happens.
Thanks again for the PM as I have it.

Yes, you are soft of correct...if too close, you might NOT be getting the effect the wides are supposed to be working on...nevertheless you should hear something.  Check it out and report back.

post #5730 of 5803
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

Yes, you are soft of correct...if too close, you might NOT be getting the effect the wides are supposed to be working on...nevertheless you should hear something.  Check it out and report back.

I do have some sound with the wides it's just not very noticeable. But yes I'll fool around with it more this weekend as I have a subwoofer issue that I'm also working on.
Thanks again for you help....smile.gif
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