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post #31 of 317
I am trying to decide between the Integra DTR-40.3 and the Onkyo TX-NR709.
The two are practically identical with the Integra having a few more features that I'd like but I am not clear on the difference between the HDMI out configurations between these two receivers. Specifically the video scaling.

The Onkyo (from what I can tell) is set to upscale both outputs by default and using the 'Pure Audio' function, both outputs become unmanaged and any video scaling/conversion is bypassed.

The Integra has no such 'Pure Audio' mode and the 'SUB' HDMI output is always unmanaged and cannot be configured for upscaling/processing (this doesn't concern me). However, I want to be certain that the 'MAIN' HDMI output can also be configured to bypass all conversion just like the SUB output.
Since the ARC is bound to the MAIN output, its fairly crucial that this can be configured, otherwise its going to be a clear win to the Onkyo (which would be a damn shame).

The 'Pure Audio' mode on the Onkyo seems to be a bit of a misnomer as it seems it affects video also.

If anyone can clear this up I'd much appreciate it.
post #32 of 317
When it comes to using the scaling in the Integra(I have the DHC 80.2...so mine is a bit different), I use it source specific(but the DHC has that option, it exists in the DTR's as well, but "how far down", I have no idea).

I set the BD as "through" and Direct...because it makes the most sense.
I set the Laserdisc as 1080I and direct (to me...and this is me, not anybody else...I prefer upscaled to 1080I than 1080P)
VHS is the same as the Laserdisc.

So...Whatever Integra has the option for "input specific settings" for upconversion etc...that is a very worthy feature all by itself.

As for BD and OTA(Uverse/Fios/Comcast/Directv/Dish Net all count as OTA for this discussion) I would always set those as through as well. Now if you are watching an SD channel(or a show simply not done in HD, like ST:TNG)...how much effort does it take to get in the menu and switch it to upscale the source real quick(once you get used to it...what, 10 seconds???)

Another way around having to change the "through or upscale" feature on an Integra(really all the receivers with the ability to do "source specific". Denon/Yamaha etc all make receivers with "source specific" settings)...hook your STB up twice(yes I know some cable boxes kill the component video when you turn the HDMI on...but for those with boxes that don't do that)...that way you can just select input 1 for HDMI off the STB, then input 2 for component/tos-link with all the settings turned on for upscaling...
post #33 of 317
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Originally Posted by TNorton View Post

I have to say the picture looks soft and over saturated to me also, I have it set at an output of 1080p and the DVD to "direct" and the DVR to "though".

I think more of my complants are setup and operator error versus the 40.3 but will admit I am concerned.

Any thoughts?

I assume this is via the HDMI MAIN output?
This is also why I want to be sure that upscaling can be bypassed on that output.

You should be easily able to confirm that scaling is the problem by changing over to using the SUB HDMI output. Of course you will lose ARC and the onscreen GUI so it might not represent a very good workaround but at least you can confirm if its a scaling issue.

Why they have choosen to do this on the 40.3, I have no idea. The 50.3 behaves just like all the others, including the Onkyo 709 and 809 it is based on. Just seems odd.
post #34 of 317
So please excuse my ignorance, but can someone please explain the relationship between MONITOR OUT RESOLUTION SETTINGS (through, source, auto, 1080p, etc.) and PICTURE MODE SETTINGS (custom, through, direct, etc.)? I guess they're tied together somehow; just not sure how (manual has me a bit confused).
DirecTv box - 50.3 - Monitor; all connected via HDMI.
Thanks in advance (-:
post #35 of 317
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Originally Posted by donnyboy View Post

So please excuse my ignorance, but can someone please explain the relationship between MONITOR OUT RESOLUTION SETTINGS (through, source, auto, 1080p, etc.) and PICTURE MODE SETTINGS (custom, through, direct, etc.)? I guess they're tied together somehow; just not sure how (manual has me a bit confused).
DirecTv box - 50.3 - Monitor; all connected via HDMI.
Thanks in advance (-:

Glad to hear I am not the only one confused haha. I have a guy coming later today to help me understand more. Once I find out, I will report.
post #36 of 317
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Originally Posted by wouldtoo View Post

Glad to hear I am not the only one confused haha. I have a guy coming later today to help me understand more. Once I find out, I will report.

I'll put my list of questions together
Good luck with your "training" today; looking forward to your report.
post #37 of 317
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I'll put my list of questions together
Good luck with your "training" today; looking forward to your report.

Ok. He made a few adjustments for me. Changed my ATT Uverse from HDMI TO Composite with the digital optical connection. With my Sony Blu Ray, the DTS Neo:6 was switched from Off to Cinema, and the Downmix kept at Surround, naturally. On the 50.3, in Setup, Monitor Out, HDMI Main (since it is hooked up via HDMI), he put Resolution to 1080p, then the rest was set to how everything is set up (HDMI, Component, etc.). Then, with Speaker setup, ran Audyssey and only changed THX Setup
The ultra2 was Yes, BGC and Loudness Plus was Off, and Preserve THX was Yes. Source set up Audyssey to Movie (I watch more movies) and Dynamic EQ and Volume to Off. Picture Adjust to Auto and Picture Mode to Through. Listening Mode presets, set them to what you want. Mine is Analog... to PL II Movie and the Dolby and DTS to THX Cinema. The Game was the same except everything ended in Games. Volume Setup was Absolute. Then in Hardware set up, made sure I had current version. The only other thing we changed was on the remote, under the ENTER button is the little Home button. Press that, and you can set things here for everything connected. I never knew about this until today. Under Audio, by turning the Dolby Volume from Off to On gave a lot of added volume. With the Audyssey, I set the BD to Movie (naturally), and kept Dynamic EQ and Volume to Off to keep the added punch. The Re-EQ set to On (for balancing THX Sound levels). Well, that's about it. Sorry it's so long. If anyone has input, please let me know. I am always willing to learn something new.
post #38 of 317
Also forgot that when I switched my Uverse from HDMI to the Component, I had to reconfigure my Uverse settings again to the 1080i Aspect Ratio because it switched to 4:3 for some reason. And in the Digital Audio output settings, he mentioned some receivers have problems every now and then with Audio, so if it dies, put setting to Stereo. If you don't experience problems, keep keep it in Surround Sound, which I did.
post #39 of 317
Thanks wouldtoo for the detailed explanation I'll try some of those settings this weekend. Why did he change your STB from HDMI to component / optical? Also curious if he updated the firmware; the latest release is 8/8/11.
Thanks again.
post #40 of 317
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Originally Posted by donnyboy View Post

Thanks wouldtoo for the detailed explanation I'll try some of those settings this weekend. Why did he change your STB from HDMI to component / optical? Also curious if he updated the firmware; the latest release is 8/8/11.
Thanks again.

Mainly because of the Uverse had choppy sound on certain channels. Doesn't happen with all Uverse, but it did help the sound on the DVR box in the media room.
post #41 of 317
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Originally Posted by NJ Jackals View Post

Currently own a 30.2 for a small 5.1 setup. I'm purchasing a new receiver for my theater room. Original plan was for an 80.2. Any thought on going ahead with the purchase vs waiting for the 80.3? I haven't seen much info on the 80.3 yet.

I think the only difference will be the video processor. Other than that there is nothing else that can really be improved on the 80.2.
post #42 of 317
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Originally Posted by wouldtoo View Post


I have a Sony BDP S580 hooked up to my 50.3. I have the 50.3 set to Through for the blu ray. Should I do the same with my AT&T Uverse? Trying to see what best way to set up my Blu Ray, Uverse, and XBox. All are connected with HDMI.

Thanks in advance

Do not run your Xbox thru your receiver. It will give you an incredible amount of game lag. Run HDMI straight to tv and use an optical cable for sound to receiver. Xbox only offers Dolby digital so an optical will be fine.
post #43 of 317
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Originally Posted by wouldtoo View Post


Ok. He made a few adjustments for me. Changed my ATT Uverse from HDMI TO Composite with the digital optical connection. With my Sony Blu Ray, the DTS Neo:6 was switched from Off to Cinema, and the Downmix kept at Surround, naturally. On the 50.3, in Setup, Monitor Out, HDMI Main (since it is hooked up via HDMI), he put Resolution to 1080p, then the rest was set to how everything is set up (HDMI, Component, etc.). Then, with Speaker setup, ran Audyssey and only changed THX Setup
The ultra2 was Yes, BGC and Loudness Plus was Off, and Preserve THX was Yes. Source set up Audyssey to Movie (I watch more movies) and Dynamic EQ and Volume to Off. Picture Adjust to Auto and Picture Mode to Through. Listening Mode presets, set them to what you want. Mine is Analog... to PL II Movie and the Dolby and DTS to THX Cinema. The Game was the same except everything ended in Games. Volume Setup was Absolute. Then in Hardware set up, made sure I had current version. The only other thing we changed was on the remote, under the ENTER button is the little Home button. Press that, and you can set things here for everything connected. I never knew about this until today. Under Audio, by turning the Dolby Volume from Off to On gave a lot of added volume. With the Audyssey, I set the BD to Movie (naturally), and kept Dynamic EQ and Volume to Off to keep the added punch. The Re-EQ set to On (for balancing THX Sound levels). Well, that's about it. Sorry it's so long. If anyone has input, please let me know. I am always willing to learn something new.

You will get more punch with dynamic eq on because basically it creates a house curve where the lower freq. Are higher in the bass frequencies because of the way the human ear works. I would turn off all the thx settings and the re-eq as well.
post #44 of 317
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Originally Posted by Mpray1983

You will get more punch with dynamic eq on because basically it creates a house curve where the lower freq. Are higher in the bass frequencies because of the way the human ear works. I would turn off all the thx settings and the re-eq as well.
I will definitely give it another shot because that is what I would have thought. When I did turn the dynamic equalizer on, the volume dropped dramatically and when I turned it off, the volume increased a lot. Maybe I am missing something
post #45 of 317
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Originally Posted by wouldtoo

I will definitely give it another shot because that is what I would have thought. When I did turn the dynamic equalizer on, the volume dropped dramatically and when I turned it off, the volume increased a lot. Maybe I am missing something
It's because you are using two conflicting systems...turn all the thx stuff off. The audyssey system works much better. You should even re-run audyssey after. When audyssey completes...change your crossovers for fronts and center. I and most prefer 80hz. I also bump my sub and center up a few db's as well.
post #46 of 317
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Originally Posted by Mpray1983 View Post


It's because you are using two conflicting systems...turn all the thx stuff off. The audyssey system works much better. You should even re-run audyssey after. When audyssey completes...change your crossovers for fronts and center. I and most prefer 80hz. I also bump my sub and center up a few db's as well.

Ok. Changed to what you recommended and re-ran Audyssey. The outcome remained the same. Here are the numbers: Front 40, Center 40, Surround 110. If I go in to change crossover to 80, it says 80 Hz (THX). I kept at 40 for now. Is that correct? Also, had something happen that I have never had happen. During 1 of the position readings of Audyssey, right after the Right Surround finished, it repeated it and the volume seemed to increase. Same with the sub at another reading. Is this normal?

Thanks
post #47 of 317
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Originally Posted by wouldtoo View Post


Ok. Changed to what you recommended and re-ran Audyssey. The outcome remained the same. Here are the numbers: Front 40, Center 40, Surround 110. If I go in to change crossover to 80, it says 80 Hz (THX). I kept at 40 for now. Is that correct? Also, had something happen that I have never had happen. During 1 of the position readings of Audyssey, right after the Right Surround finished, it repeated it and the volume seemed to increase. Same with the sub at another reading. Is this normal?

Thanks

Change your crossovers to 80...the reason that it says thx is because most people prefer it that way. Everyone is different but from my experience most prefer 80 as it allows you to have more bass sent to the subwoofer while keeping your sub from being localized. Takes stress off the amp. The louder chirps are from either you or someone else being loud while the measurements happen. Same thing happens to me when a motorcycle or big truck drives by. When I do my audyssey I run it in the middle of the night and turn off the a/c and amps. Some go as far as shutting off the fridge.

Try reading over this:

http://www.willowville.net/ht/Audyss...up%20Guide.pdf
post #48 of 317
Hello gang:

I am a recently former owner of Onkyo 5007,5008 and pio elite sc35. Never tried an integra before and almost bought a yammy2000 this afternoon but a local dealer talked me into the 40.3 thought Id give it a try setting up tommorow let you know my findings. Looks to be a better build than the onks.
post #49 of 317
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Hello gang:

I am a recently former owner of Onkyo 5007,5008 and pio elite sc35. Never tried an integra before and almost bought a yammy2000 this afternoon but a local dealer talked me into the 40.3 thought Id give it a try setting up tommorow let you know my findings. Looks to be a better build than the onks.

I think you will like it . I came from an Onkyo 606 (definitely not a 5008), to a 50.3 and have really enjoyed it. This has been a great forum to learn from as there is a lot of good info. Keep us posted
post #50 of 317
william06,
I'm looking at this receiver and MRX300, Pioneer sc35 or Yamaha a2000. This will help me with my decision a little bit once you post your review.
post #51 of 317
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Originally Posted by wouldtoo View Post

Ok. Changed to what you recommended and re-ran Audyssey. The outcome remained the same. Here are the numbers: Front 40, Center 40, Surround 110. If I go in to change crossover to 80, it says 80 Hz (THX). I kept at 40 for now. Is that correct? Also, had something happen that I have never had happen. During 1 of the position readings of Audyssey, right after the Right Surround finished, it repeated it and the volume seemed to increase. Same with the sub at another reading. Is this normal?

Thanks

When I run Audyessy it sets my front 3 speakers to 40hz as well. Experiment, that's the key to YOUR happiness. I lowered mine to 60hz, surrounds are at 90hz and the sub is 120hz.

Jeff
post #52 of 317
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Hello gang:

I am a recently former owner of Onkyo 5007,5008 and pio elite sc35. Never tried an integra before and almost bought a yammy2000 this afternoon but a local dealer talked me into the 40.3 thought Id give it a try setting up tommorow let you know my findings. Looks to be a better build than the onks.

Welcome to the Integra club!! Don't forget your free trial for Sirius Internet Radio (call them, they might give you more than a month). And give V-Tuner a try. Amazing how many radio stations you can get over the net/receiver!

Jeff
post #53 of 317
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Originally Posted by jsil View Post

william06,
I'm looking at this receiver and MRX300, Pioneer sc35 or Yamaha a2000. This will help me with my decision a little bit once you post your review.

Really couldn't tell you about the Pioneer or the Yamaha. Have had one of each throughout the years. All I can say is that I have really enjoyed the Integra in the 2 weeks I have had it. The Audyssey helps make the setup easy and optimizes the settings for you. This helped me sine I am a novice. The sound quality and stereo separation is fantastic. I just know that once I hooked everything up, ran Audyssey (did all this without telling my wife and daughter, haha), we watched Top Gun, an old favorite. Within the first flight scene, they both said "man, that's weird. It sure sounds a lot better than last time we watched it".

I am definitely not the one to ask. There are a lot very knowledge folks on here that can give you a lot more info. I know they have all really helped make my decision and have been there to answer questions and have helped me optimize the settings to make it sound it's best.

Keep us posted. Good luck with your decision. I know it can be a crazy experience haha.
post #54 of 317
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Really couldn't tell you about the Pioneer or the Yamaha. Have had one of each throughout the years. All I can say is that I have really enjoyed the Integra in the 2 weeks I have had it. The Audyssey helps make the setup easy and optimizes the settings for you. This helped me sine I am a novice. The sound quality and stereo separation is fantastic. I just know that once I hooked everything up, ran Audyssey (did all this without telling my wife and daughter, haha), we watched Top Gun, an old favorite. Within the first flight scene, they both said "man, that's weird. It sure sounds a lot better than last time we watched it".

I am definitely not the one to ask. There are a lot very knowledge folks on here that can give you a lot more info. I know they have all really helped make my decision and have been there to answer questions and have helped me optimize the settings to make it sound it's best.

Keep us posted. Good luck with your decision. I know it can be a crazy experience haha.

I just came from a Pioneer sc-35 and found it to be a great receiver both in audio and video performance. jI just am a bit dissilousioned with them. they are supposed to be so strict about controlling who sells theyre receivers etc and not honoring warranties from unauthorized selllers. Yet you can get the 35 now at costco for about half its list destroying anyone trying to sell a unit and legitimately upgrade. I cannot believe Pioneer had no part in this as such an enormous abount of receivers to costco cannot happen without theyre participation not that I begrudge anyone getting a good deal it will be interesting to see if there are many issues and will costco really take care of they after 90 days. Many of the purchasers believe they are covered for lifetime. I look forward to hooking up and trying out the 40.3 I like the fact that I have a 11.2 speaker set up I can use any combination of 7.2 with the press of a button. I had the experience in the past of being able to run all at once and it was a bit of overkill. sorry to go on . I am reaally glas to see you alll enjoying your new integras and will report on my experience also. I also have had no experience with the yamahas. And thanks to those who welcomed us integra newbies to the thread.
post #55 of 317
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

I just came from a Pioneer sc-35 and found it to be a great receiver both in audio and video performance. jI just am a bit dissilousioned with them. they are supposed to be so strict about controlling who sells theyre receivers etc and not honoring warranties from unauthorized selllers. Yet you can get the 35 now at costco for about half its list destroying anyone trying to sell a unit and legitimately upgrade. I cannot believe Pioneer had no part in this as such an enormous abount of receivers to costco cannot happen without theyre participation not that I begrudge anyone getting a good deal it will be interesting to see if there are many issues and will costco really take care of they after 90 days. Many of the purchasers believe they are covered for lifetime. I look forward to hooking up and trying out the 40.3 I like the fact that I have a 11.2 speaker set up I can use any combination of 7.2 with the press of a button. I had the experience in the past of being able to run all at once and it was a bit of overkill. sorry to go on . I am reaally glas to see you alll enjoying your new integras and will report on my experience also. I also have had no experience with the yamahas. And thanks to those who welcomed us integra newbies to the thread.

Companies are opening up and trying mass produce. For instance...onkyo will be selling receivers at walmart now. They still keep the integra line to high end HIFI shops though which is nice.
post #56 of 317
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Originally Posted by Mpray1983 View Post

Companies are opening up and trying mass produce. For instance...onkyo will be selling receivers at walmart now. They still keep the integra line to high end HIFI shops though which is nice.

yes they are. not to get off topic the .3 receivers but it is true onkyo has has had some of their lower end receivers at walmart over a year now. This is one of the reasons I chose to try the integra. I am told although some people claim they are rebaged onkyos the real theory is that although using similar technology the integras are built with better parts etc. I am anxious to get it up and running a nice project for a rainny sunday here in the north east.
post #57 of 317
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

I am told although some people claim they are rebaged onkyos the real theory is that although using similar technology the integras are built with better parts etc. I am anxious to get it up and running a nice project for a rainny sunday here in the north east.

Same parts, just different configurations for different markets.

The Integras are for custom installers and feature things like additional 12v triggers, IR sensors, much finer crossover settings, video out on zone 2 etc and config locks so that the installer can insure the client doesn't do anything that might screwup the configuration. A big silver volume knob also helps in dark public places where staff might need to have access to it.

In almost all cases, the Integras have everything that their Onkyo counterparts have and more.
post #58 of 317
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

Same parts, just different configurations for different markets.

The Integras are for custom installers and feature things like additional 12v triggers, IR sensors, much finer crossover settings, video out on zone 2 etc and config locks so that the installer can insure the client doesn't do anything that might screwup the configuration. A big silver volume knob also helps in dark public places where staff might need to have access to it.

In almost all cases, the Integras have everything that their Onkyo counterparts have and more.

I do agree with you in most of what you state. Only on the parts question There could be some difference. It seems on the Onkyo's 007 and 008 models low and top end are having a lot of issues with some parts deteriouation and corrosion. I realize the issue is heavy only as there are a huge amount of them sold. But other than a few issues like the one above in this thread the Integras do not seem plagued by the same issues. Mabey It is just wishful thinking as I let myself be talked into this unit based on that kind of information. Well right now I am about to set up the unit and I will gladly report back later. One thing I will be glad to have audessey xt back as opposed to Macc and onscreen display. Oh and that silver knob is quite something.
post #59 of 317
Just sold my old receiver, I was curious if anyone has any info on the release date of the 80.3, would the diference in it and the 50.3 only be in the amps, my other 2 choices would be the nad 785 with the new video cards, or the pioneer elite sc 57, thanks
post #60 of 317
The Integra power button and volume knob are just plain "sexy" imho. EVERYONE else seems to have plain black face plates and volume knobs. The Integra "look" just gives it a big edge in the looks dept. Many of my friends had never seen the Integra and wanted one after seeing mine. I have heard that Integra has better DAC's and better all around parts than it's Onkyo cousins.

Jeff
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