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Onkyo HT-RC360 vs Denon AVR-1712?

post #1 of 35
6/17/11 at 11:00am
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I've been trying to decide between these two receivers and I need some sagely wisdom. I apologize in advance for any misquoted features, this is the best I could come up with.
Onkyo pros:
- As of posting this, I can find the Onkyo for about $65 cheaper
- 4K upscaling (because I'll do this when? )
- 100W/channel vs 90W/channel
- iPod/iPhone support
- ethernet port
- 1080p upscaling
- component inputs

Denon pros:
- Audyssey MultEQ XT vs 2EQ
- HDMI switching

A couple additional pieces of information:
- This will be my first AVR
- I will be buying this in conjunction with a set of speakers (currently looking at some Polk Monitor 60s and 40s and a BIC V1020)
- Devices to be used with it: Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii, Boxee Box (, maybe Tivo)
- The room is maybe 14' x 20' x 8' but isn't evenly shaped

The main sticking point is the Audyssey MultEQ XT vs 2EQ. I keep reading that the sub balancing is very nice but is it that noticeable? The price, 1080p upscaling, and higher channel power of the Onkyo are pulling me strongly towards it but the EQ is hard to ignore. Any and all suggestions are welcome. One other thought I had was the Denon AVR-1612; it's much closer in price to the Onkyo, still has MultEQ, but power drops to 75w/channel and lacks component inputs for the Wii. I'm not opposed to plugging the Wii straight into the tv though if needed.
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post #2 of 35
6/17/11 at 11:22am
Power specs of any of the models listed won't be an issue at all. For lower level models (<$500) choose Onkyo for the features and Denon for better audio fidelity.
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post #3 of 35
6/17/11 at 11:28am
That is it in a nutshell.

To get the "features" the RC360 has, you need even more than the 1912 brings to the table.

The Denon probably does have a slightly sweeter sound, but can you ignore the "gadget advantage" Onkyo brings to the table?

If you don't have 3D, you could go back and search for a Denon 790/890/1910 etc. You still lose the subwoofer EQ(which you'd lose with the Onkyo anyway), but you'll gain a much better receiver than the 1612 or RC360 is, if you can deal with a pre-owned receiver.

The pre-owned market then opens up the NR807/1007.
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post #4 of 35
6/17/11 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by schan1269 View Post

If you don't have 3D, you could go back and search for a Denon 790/890/1910 etc. You still lose the subwoofer EQ(which you'd lose with the Onkyo anyway), but you'll gain a much better receiver than the 1612 or RC360 is, if you can deal with a pre-owned receiver.

Not true ... all the above Denon models you listed use Audyssey MultEQ which does include sub filters.
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post #5 of 35
6/17/11 at 11:42am
My bad, thought this was between XT VS 2EQ.

If the X90 Denon still keep the better EQ, cool.

I'm currently in the search for a receiver for my son to run off to college with. Denon is tough to decipher with their feature "happy dance".

I found a 988 for $275. The guy bought two of these when new(living room/bedroom) and this one will come complete with untouched accessories. The remotes haven't even had the batteries in them. He used a Universal in both rooms and only used the one Denon remote when he had to do something the Universal just wouldn't do.

He only needs the two HDMI(laptop/with BD drive and an ATV2).
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post #6 of 35
6/17/11 at 11:54am
Although the 988 uses the better version of Audyssey MultEQ XT, the sub EQ is the same as in MultEQ. It does however, not feature either HDMI standby pass through or Audyssey Dyn EQ or Dyn Vol.
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post #7 of 35
6/17/11 at 1:04pm
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so the MultEQ is definitely worth it over the 2EQ? And if power isn't a concern, is the Denon AVR-1612 a viable alternative? I was worried the 75w/channel vs 90 or 100 was going to be too low. I just found it for under the price of the Onkyo (I can't remember rules on posting prices so I'll change this if it's not allowed).
AVR-1612 - $282
HT-RC360 - $334
AVR-1712 - $400

Compared to the AVR-1712, the AVR-1612 drops 2 channels (not crucial for me), is missing component video (wish it had but can deal), an RS-232 port (wont use), I think HDMI Standby Pass Through?, and picks up ipod/iphone over usb.
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post #8 of 35
6/17/11 at 1:11pm
Correct, the power difference won't matter .. in most cases the speakers will be using < 5W/Ch let alone anywhere near the maximum. If the 1612 provides the inputs you need, then go that route.
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post #9 of 35
6/17/11 at 1:16pm
Alot of it will come down to your specific needs. I'll throw out some thoughts that haven't come up yet..

Do you want the features either now or in the next 2 years that the Onkyo offers. Be careful when you answer because the Onkyo offers a network port, and streaming audio/video is becoming huge. Also it can get firmware updates..who knows in 12-18 months we could be seeing netflix on the receivers...dunno.

So carefully review the features of each ask yourself if you'll miss them if you don't have them in 2 years.... I see you comment on no component video on one model... well that sucks now but in 2 years do you think you'll even have any component video devices??? maybe maybe not, only you know.

As for power output... Consider the S/N Ratio. maybe one is doing 100w but only at 85db?? I don't know but i'd look at it..they are all respectable mfg's so they are probably all similar

Make sure you hit your budget..thats always important

make sure you buy from an authorized dealer...some internet retailers are authorized, some are not...make sure you check.

Personally I'd buy features I may not need now but in 2 years I'll probably be happy I have so I don't have to upgrade.
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post #10 of 35
1/25/12 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by eliteconcept View Post

Alot of it will come down to your specific needs. I'll throw out some thoughts that haven't come up yet..

Do you want the features either now or in the next 2 years that the Onkyo offers. Be careful when you answer because the Onkyo offers a network port, and streaming audio/video is becoming huge. Also it can get firmware updates..who knows in 12-18 months we could be seeing netflix on the receivers...dunno.

So carefully review the features of each ask yourself if you'll miss them if you don't have them in 2 years.... I see you comment on no component video on one model... well that sucks now but in 2 years do you think you'll even have any component video devices??? maybe maybe not, only you know.

As for power output... Consider the S/N Ratio. maybe one is doing 100w but only at 85db?? I don't know but i'd look at it..they are all respectable mfg's so they are probably all similar

Make sure you hit your budget..thats always important

make sure you buy from an authorized dealer...some internet retailers are authorized, some are not...make sure you check.

Personally I'd buy features I may not need now but in 2 years I'll probably be happy I have so I don't have to upgrade.

Why should you buy from an authorized dealer?

Jason
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post #11 of 35
1/26/12 at 4:52am
^^
Because the mfr generally will not honor the warranty if not purchased from an authorized reseller.
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post #12 of 35
2/2/12 at 9:05am
I have the 360, and now I'm wishing I spent just a little more for the AVR-1712, but my budget was 250 to begin with so the 360 was even a stretch for me.

The combination of prologic IIz and multiEQ XT is what's so sweet about the AVR-1712.

MultiEQ XT, from what I can tell, is normally something reserved for much higher end receivers. Imagine a full 16 band equalizer being adjusted at each speaker automatically. That sounds nice, and since the Onkyo has absolutely ZERO equalizer capability, to me it sounds much more appealing.

Onkyo has a lot of features, but honestly, will you use them? Their app isn't all that great, the built in internet radio sounds just ok (and if you have a htpc pandora from it would sound better) and the dynamic EQ and audyssey settings for move and music really don't make much of a discernible difference.

If you don't have great speakers, go with the Denon. Bottom line.
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post #13 of 35
2/2/12 at 10:05am
Call J&R. They will sell a 1712 for $299.99 shipped to your door.
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post #14 of 35
2/2/12 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by rwe416 View Post

Call J&R. They will sell a 1712 for $299.99 shipped to your door.

they have it listed at 399...
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post #15 of 35
2/2/12 at 12:41pm
You have to give them a call. I did and they offered it for the lower price.
Tell them what you are looking for and ask what the bottom dollar price is. That is all I did. Some of the higher end models they will take off up to $150 off their listed price.
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post #16 of 35
2/2/12 at 1:07pm
i just called them they quoted mem 300 for the 1612 and 340 for the 1712
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post #17 of 35
2/2/12 at 1:17pm
Different from last week. I was charged $299.99 shipped to my house.
I have ran into this before. I don't know if it is a mood they are in or the day you call.lol
Someone on another thread called an got the same price I did. That was last week though.
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post #18 of 35
2/2/12 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by rwe416 View Post

Different from last week. I was charged $299.99 shipped to my house.
I have ran into this before. I don't know if it is a mood they are in or the day you call.lol
Someone on another thread called an got the same price I did. That was last week though.

how do you like the MultiEQ XT?

I have the 360, and now you've got me considering the 1612 LOL
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post #19 of 35
2/2/12 at 3:12pm
I actually like my 791 the best. Easy to use. It does not have some of the extra bells and whistles but that doesn't bother me.
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post #20 of 35
2/2/12 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by Luisfc1972 View Post

i just called them they quoted mem 300 for the 1612 and 340 for the 1712

I got the 1712 from Newegg for $250 when they had the coupon. NE is NOT authorized dealer however.
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post #21 of 35
2/4/12 at 1:26pm
Just called JnR to price match with electronic expo. Easiest price match ever. I told them that EE is willing to sell it for 299.99 and they accepted the pricematch.
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post #22 of 35
2/4/12 at 2:20pm
you should say onkyo htrc 360 for the win. But if were to ask me onkyo htrc360 vs denon 1912, id get 1912.
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post #23 of 35
2/4/12 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by miky702 View Post

Just called JnR to price match with electronic expo. Easiest price match ever. I told them that EE is willing to sell it for 299.99 and they accepted the pricematch.

I also bought a 1712 last week from J&R for 299.99. Safely at the house still in the box waiting for me to finish equipment purchases. I didn't ask for a price match. I asked if they would sell me a 1712 for 299. They said yes they could, done deal.
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post #24 of 35
2/10/12 at 5:49pm
Wow - I just read & just ordered a 1712 from J&R over the phone after asking for it for $299 - they said no problem! Will be in stock next week. Free shipping & no tax!!!
Thanks for the info!
mamasboy
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post #25 of 35
2/15/12 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by mamasboy13 View Post

Wow - I just read & just ordered a 1712 from J&R over the phone after asking for it for $299 - they said no problem! Will be in stock next week. Free shipping & no tax!!!
Thanks for the info!
mamasboy

I am looking for one of these units to replace an older Onkyo. If you guys see any deal like that let me know. I will call J&R and mention the savings that was had here and see if they will bite.

Thanks for the info.....
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post #26 of 35
2/16/12 at 12:49pm
Well I just found a local store that will sell me the Denon 1712 demo for $240 done deal if it is in good shape of course. No up conversion but I am not using component inputs anymore. Nice as my local store will price match J&R now and other bigger internet retailers.
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post #27 of 35
2/16/12 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Well I just found a local store that will sell me the Denon 1712 demo for $240 done deal if it is in good shape of course. No up conversion but I am not using component inputs anymore. Nice as my local store will price match J&R now and other bigger internet retailers.

I wonder if they'd ship it for that price. What's the name and phone number of this place?
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post #28 of 35
3/6/12 at 4:12pm
This deal is still going on with J&R.

I just called them & ordered the Denon AVR-1712 for $300....no tax & free shipping.
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post #29 of 35
3/19/12 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by nysteelo View Post

This deal is still going on with J&R.

I just called them & ordered the Denon AVR-1712 for $300....no tax & free shipping.



Same deal for me. Just called J&R and picked up a new Denon AVR-1712 for $299.99 shipped. Only thing is they said not to post the price.

Their website has it listed for $399.00 so you'll need to call them direct.
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post #30 of 35
4/13/12 at 1:40pm
If you happen to slill be looking for the 1712. Frys has them in this weeks ad for $227. Even with tax (only in certain states) it would save you some money
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