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post #151 of 183
Kraine or Cine4home
Have any of you notiiced any focus creep on the hw-20 or hw-30?
I know this doesn't get mentioned here but my hw-20 focus continually changes as it heats up/cools down. I can get the focus nice & sharp but only for a few minutes, I have never seen this before on another projector and searching around the internet I found reports from hw-10/15/20 having the same issue.
If anyone wants to check, set focus as soon as you start the projector from cold. See some text or focus patterns if it makes it easier. Then check again after one hour. On my unit the focus will shift so much that everything becomes blurred.
post #152 of 183
Thread Starter 
Not on the HW30ES, SONY have worked on it to be sure that there will be no defocus during the movie.
post #153 of 183
Thread Starter 
Our video review about the HW30ES is now online on WORF-TV :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkg...s-worf-tv_tech
post #154 of 183
That is excellent news about about the defocus fix for hw30 owners. I was just about to post the link for that awesome video (having just finished watching it) but you beat me to it. I didn't know it was your video. You should consider making movies, very dramatic beginning.
post #155 of 183
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

Our video review about the HW30ES is now online on WORF-TV :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkg...s-worf-tv_tech

.....but is there an English version?

Projectorcentral says they have a HW30 and are working on a review.
post #156 of 183
6 years of French classes and I can't remember a single word.

video does look nice though!

edit: I am wrong.. I remember 1 specific phrase when I would show up late for class 20+ years ago.

je ne sais pas quelle heur et il
post #157 of 183
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Originally Posted by William View Post

.....but is there an English version?

Projectorcentral says they have a HW30 and are working on a review.

No sorry
post #158 of 183
btw, did the Sony HW90 also have the ethernet port for 3D connection, or is this unique to the HW30?

I will offer my kingdom for the pin-outs. I only need to know 3 of the 8.
post #159 of 183
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

btw, did the Sony HW90 also have the ethernet port for 3D connection, or is this unique to the HW30?

I will offer my kingdom for the pin-outs. I only need to know 3 of the 8.

Jason the VW90ES have the same ethernet port 3D connection. I will try to answer you about the pin-outs
post #160 of 183
Saw it today in a Magnolia store in Lewisville Texas. They had it on a Stewart Grey screen. Very nice picture on the brief amount of time I had, but will go back when I have more time. They had the blu ray of Behind Enemy Lines on and the black levels were impressive, of course the screen helped.

Sorry not a great indepth review but I was impressed. They had the Sharp in the room also, believe it is the sp982 but might have the model number wrong. Both priced at $3999, in my opinion the sony had a much nicer picture. Same screen but of course the sharp has been in there longer.

Typing on my phone so apologies for any errors.
post #161 of 183
I saw it tonight at best buy as well. Spent a good 30 minutes watching it on a 92" diagonal Stewart FireHawk at about a 14 foot throw.

It looked pretty good, looked better than the Sharp 17000 they had in the other room projecting onto a SI Black Diamond.

They didn't have any 3D discs though so I couldn't check that out.

As a bonus, they unit looked great, and was really quiet, I was stading right below it with my ears about 3-4 feet and I couldn't hear it over the movie, even during quiter parts.
post #162 of 183
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Originally Posted by Roshy View Post

I saw it tonight at best buy as well. Spent a good 30 minutes watching it on a 92" diagonal Stewart FireHawk at about a 14 foot throw.

It looked pretty good, looked better than the Sharp 17000 they had in the other room projecting onto a SI Black Diamond.

They didn't have any 3D discs though so I couldn't check that out.

As a bonus, they unit looked great, and was really quiet, I was stading right below it with my ears about 3-4 feet and I couldn't hear it over the movie, even during quiter parts.

Must be pretty typical, sounds like the exact same setup for Demo I saw.

I hadn't thought about it until you said it, but yea, it was very quiet.

What movies did you see on it?

I also agree, a very slick looking machine as far as aesthetics.
post #163 of 183
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Originally Posted by Roshy View Post

I saw it tonight at best buy as well. Spent a good 30 minutes watching it on a 92" diagonal Stewart FireHawk at about a 14 foot throw.

It looked pretty good, looked better than the Sharp 17000 they had in the other room projecting onto a SI Black Diamond.

They didn't have any 3D discs though so I couldn't check that out.

As a bonus, they unit looked great, and was really quiet, I was stading right below it with my ears about 3-4 feet and I couldn't hear it over the movie, even during quiter parts.

I've seen it at BB as well. Pretty nice.
post #164 of 183
Can anyone in Europe confirm that it's available now? Haven't see it in Sweden yet, expected arrival date here are late august (28).

In the uk i found it at projectorshop, expected at 24:th of August.

Btw. I found some datasheets

http://www.sony.co.uk/res/attachment...7481790796.pdf
http://www.sony.co.uk/biz/pdf/Genera...site=biz_en_GB

(sorry if they are re-posts)
post #165 of 183
Thread Starter 
HW30ES is already available in France, in Germany and in Spain.
post #166 of 183
I may have missed and didn't see it in the specs but, does this projector have the anamorphic squeeze to be used with an external lens?
post #167 of 183
No, you need a scaler to do stretch mode.
post #168 of 183
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

HW30ES is already available in France, in Germany and in Spain.

Canada too, i just called sony.ca yesterday. FYI, Canadian MSRP is $3999. I'm still waiting to see what the VW95 is like
post #169 of 183
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Originally Posted by Emarc View Post

No, you need a scaler to do stretch mode.

Damn. Thanks.
post #170 of 183
post #171 of 183
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post
HW30ES is already available in France, in Germany and in Spain.
Nice. But when i checked in germany no one had it, out of stock. So i guess the first batch is already sold out.
post #172 of 183
Someone should check and see if the Xpand X103s work with this projector. Hopefully they don't darken the screen like the JVCs with the X103s.
post #173 of 183
I got mine yesterday and put in a good bit of time with it. Here are my initial thoughts which are all subjective to my particular setup and previous experiences.

Unboxing:

I think Sony must of spent a month at least designing the box this thing ships in, I"ve never seen so much packaged into one tiny box. They did a great job here getting this to consumers safely. It is going to be a nightmare putting this thing back together when it comes time to sell it

Unit:

Very light compared to my JVC 250HD, JVC RS40, and even Sony VW-70 B-stock I got a couple months ago from AVS. It looks well constructed overall and is a beautiful and QUIET unit.

Picture:

Extremely, extremely nice out of the box. I'd say it rivals my previous JVC which I had calibrated with no adjustments to the Sony. I was a little disappointed to see that mine was set on high lamp mode out of the box because I thought it was naturally that bright in low light lamp mode, but it is still a pretty bright unit. Black levels are a tad under my JVC but nothing a majority of people would notice as they are still really nice.

I did not play with any settings that would enhance or calibrate the picture, but I did play with the various pre-set color modes and motion flow and I must say, Sony really nailed it. I haven't had this feature since my previous Epson 8700UB but the Sony is leaps and bounds better. It adds a lot to a 3D movie although if you set it to high, it will cause jerkyness and almost makes it look like it is running in a low FPS.

3D:

So I owned a RS40 for 1 day before selling it on ebay because I got concerned with all the issues it had at the time and can compare against it from my limited experiences. I have a 140" AT screen that I built from scratch and it uses a 1.2 gain material and the Sony does a really nice job lighting up the screen while 3D is engaged. I watched scenes from Tangled, Resident Evil, Avatar, Monsters vs. Aliens, IMAX Space Hubble, How To Drain Your Dragon, Tron, and a few others and there was SOME ghosting on the various scenes I watched, but the Sony offers you a couple of adjustments to help with the problem and I was able to tweak around each movie to get rid of the ghosting. Compared to the RS40 I do not feel there is any competition here in terms of ghosting, but the images on both look fantastic. The only downside to the Sony was each movie was different and had to have the depth adjusted to different values which makes it cumbersome at times. I also had a few movies (Tangled being one) where I had to set the depth to -1i n order to get the ghosting to go away which limits the 3D effect. These were MKV files that my brother gave me so I cannot speak to if this is true for actual physical 3D blu-ray media.

I've owned over 5 of the 720p 3D DLP projectors in the past year trying to find one that would work in my room (either too short of a throw or too far) and I think the Sony does 3D as well as the DLP units overall once you flush out the right settings. I also have 2 3D tv's in my house Samsung 67" and an LG 60" Plasma and I like the Sony already more then the LG. For the heck of it I hooked up my PS3 and my Sager laptop to check out 3D gaming and both worked flawlessly without any effort in getting 3D engaged and working in the various games I tried. I will mention that on my LG TV I noticed some severe ghosting in Crysis 2 and I did not notice it at all with this projector.

Pros:

-Has 3 3D options for MKV files or content it cannot autodetect is 3D. Simulated, Over-Under, Side-by-Side. This makes playing 3D MKV files pretty easy with the Sony and I was able to play various ones without issue.

-Quiet. I never really care about projectors and the noise they make because I blare my home theater setup, but I truly appreciate how quiet this unit is to the others I've recently owned.

-The remote control is quite nice and I like how it has a majority of what I want on the front of the remote without me having to dig through menu's. It also lights up extremely nice with a blue glow if you hit the light button which is another nice touch compared to my previous JVC.

-Picture out of the box is so good that I have little desire to mess with it right now. Typically I will run content on my projector without me being in the room to get hours on the bulb and then calibrate it, but Sony has done an extremely nice job with its presets. The only one that is like "whoa that is bad" is probably Dynamic for me because it washes out the colors.

-2D to 3D conversion - Believe it or not, this actually works fairly well. As mentioned above I have an LG Plasma with this feature and NEVER use it for anything but games because it really does nothing to the image. I tested the Sony out with a few sitcoms and I noticed everything from baseball bats to tennis shoes having depth in the image. The only downside to this feature is if you add too much depth you get severe ghosting but it is easily eliminated if you dial it down a notch once you start to notice it.

-The little dongle for the 3D glasses can be placed practically anywhere near the screen in my room and work. I got lazy and did not want to climb up a ladder to put it on top of my screen so I just threw it on the floor under the screen and the glasses still worked great without any sync issues. I do not think placement of the dongle will be that bad after all.

Cons:

-Even though the unit can play 3D MKV files, it comes with some quirks that really irritates me which I am hoping I am just not seeing something. When you select over-under or side-by-side for the 3D mode, it eliminates motionflow abilities and also takes away the option to put the bulb in high or low mode. I honestly could not tell a different setting it in high or low and then engaging 3D so I think it is defaulting to low just based on how dim the picture looks compared to a 3D bluray disc where it sets it to auto and motionflow and the lamp feature is available. Interestingly enough when you use simulated 2D > 3D these features remain.

-Couldn't get it to work with my DirecTV box. I don't think this is the Sony's fault by any means, but I simply could not get it to recognize that I had a 3D display hooked up. I contacted DirecTV and they are sending me a new receiver for my home theater room so I will report back on Fri what the outcome is.

-I wish there was more brightness while in 3D and more brightness in 2D at low-lamp mode. This may be a calibration issue so I will reserve judgement once I play with it. For some reason I feel my JVC 250HD was brighter in 2D but in all fairness I have not touched any settings on the Sony yet to help with the issue. I never had the urge to put my JVC in high lamp mode but on the Sony I constantly kept flipping back and forth because it just looks so much better in high mode.

-I hate the glasses. Yeah I said it, I really hate the Sony glasses. They feel like you have a huge weight sitting on your nose and they just aren't comfortable. With all the 3D units in my house, including the Nvidia 3D Vision kit, the Sony glasses come in last place for me. I will be looking at other alternatives once I find some that work. I did notice there was a setting in the Sony for glassess brightness which I found interesting and I wonder how this impacts 3rd party glasses.

-I noticed some weird "flashes" in Resident Evil when there was a lot of gun fire and scenes panning back and forth. I am not sure if this was beacuse I was using an MKV file or what, but it was really bothersome to watch. I am probably not describing it that well but if others experience it you will see what I am talking about. The scene in the lobby where she fights all the men is what I am referring to.

-No digital zoom, focus, or lense hiding. When I say lense hiding I am referring to where the unit puts a cover or shield over the lense when not in use. Given this is not a cheap unit I wish Sony would have charged another $100 and incorporated these features because once you have them you to tend to really miss them when they aren't there (at least I do!) The only one I am not heart broken over is the zoom because I always had a problem finding the exact setting on my previous units where as doing it manually is much easier. Doing the focus manually is a real pain when you are 16ft away from the screen.

Summary:

These are just my first day experiences with the Sony and so far I do not regret the purchase one bit. The wife and kid are going out of town this weekend so I will have plenty of time to play with it
post #174 of 183
"Couldn't get it to work with my DirecTV box. I don't think this is the Sony's fault by any means, but I simply could not get it to recognize that I had a 3D display hooked up. I contacted DirecTV and they are sending me a new receiver for my home theater room so I will report back on Fri what the outcome is."

What Directv receiver did you try this on?

Thanks for the report. The one comment about the brightness in 2D at low lamp mode has me concerned though.
post #175 of 183
edit: moving my intial comments to the official thread. Thanks William for setting it up.

The glasses are interesting. As you look from side to side, there is a shift in the tint intensity that doesn't happen on any of the other glasses. As yellowish/green as they look, something happens when the shutters are activated and the color shift while watching 3D didn't stand out like I was expecting. Once I get the Xpand 103 and 3D Monster Visions working, I'll be able to better compare while changing glasses at the same time to get an idea which I prefer.

One thing that stands out as an unexpected surprise. The Motion flow at the low setting is very addicting in 3D mode. I never thought I would like this effect, but it's so subtle and really smooths out the 24 frame 3D blurays. It also reduces any noticeable flicker so you have this rock solid, fluid image in 3D on the screen which takes on an effect all it's own. I rarely used CMD on the JVC, but I would use Sony's version. It seems however they programmed it, it's just enough to be effective without over doing it.

The focus and convergence is throwing me off. Trying to get a tight focus while standing 16 feet from the screen is a PITA. yes I tried binoculars, but it's not the same as pressing my nose against the screen with a remote control. Convergence I am not sure about either. It looks a bit off but the adjustments are easy to make and seems like I was able to get it to level out. Since I can't get a dead focus, the image is a bit softer than my JVC which I'll saying something nice about it, the focus is razor sharp on my RS50. I'll play around with it a bit more this weekend.

Colors are very nice out of the box. I had no desire to go fiddling with anything with the out of the box settings. Flesh tones looks accurate, gamma is just right and the default color space seems nice and neutral. Not too saturated, but colorful enough to catch your eye with the right scenes. I buzzed through some of my darker sci-fi - Terminator 2, Underworld, Aliens, etc. Contrast and shadow details are better than I expected. I can't see the iris at all, no detection of pumping from bright -> dark -> bright scenes. I can see the iris turn off when 3D mode is enable and the black floor rises a bit. Then you put the glasses on and it goes right back down, so this isn't an issue in 3D.

overall black level looks good, even on my HP screen. There is no doubt the JVC is darker, but it's also a dimmer projector compared to the Sony. I will have lumen measurements of both projectors with new lamps later in the week. I don't think anyone would be disappointed in the black level capability of the Sony HW30.

I have to get a handle on the convergence and focus. It may be that I have it as good as it gets and the JVC Lens is just a bit sharper, but I'll verify that soon enough.

Notice how different the tint is on the Monster 3D vs. the other 3.






post #176 of 183
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Originally Posted by rgathright View Post

"Couldn't get it to work with my DirecTV box. I don't think this is the Sony's fault by any means, but I simply could not get it to recognize that I had a 3D display hooked up. I contacted DirecTV and they are sending me a new receiver for my home theater room so I will report back on Fri what the outcome is."

What Directv receiver did you try this on?

Thanks for the report. The one comment about the brightness in 2D at low lamp mode has me concerned though.

Black HR21. When I gave the girl the reference code on the screen she said there were some early HR21's that don't work well with 3D and she feels a replacement will resolve the issue. If I don't get the new box in by this weekend I will take my upstairs one and bring it downstairs to test just to confirm.

As far as the 2D I know everyone is going to feel differently on this so this is just my opinion with the out-of-box settings on cinema and standard presets. Once you throw it into high lamp mode the picture is amazing with my particular screen. I have a pretty far throw distance, low gain, and a very large screen so that isn't helping things.
post #177 of 183
Sucks that Sony didn't improve 3D much

My RS50 with new bulb had zero ghosting with tangled, Resident Evil, and the other titles you mentioned. There were only a few specific titles that caused issues like the Dinosaurs of Pantogoria, and a few IMAX titles. However thats with a new bulb, and as the bulb ages the ghosting on the JVC got much worse.

Now I'm curious how these new LCD from Panasonic and Epson will handle 3D!
post #178 of 183
Got mine a little late last night and having 2 problems. One is HTPC source 3D related and the one I spent the VAST majority of my time on.

However I'm having focus issues. When I get the center of the pic focused the 4 corners are out of focus and of course if focus the corners the center is out of focus. My HW30 is about 20' back vertically centered and shelf mounted (not inverted) at about 1/4 from top of screen (133" DaLite HP). Will play more this evening but what could cause this?
post #179 of 183
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Got mine a little late last night and having 2 problems. One is HTPC source 3D related and the one I spent the VAST majority of my time on.

However I'm having focus issues. When I get the center of the pic focused the 4 corners are out of focus and of course if focus the corners the center is out of focus. My HW30 is about 20' back vertically centered and shelf mounted (not inverted) at about 1/4 from top of screen (133" DaLite HP). Will play more this evening but what could cause this?

I might be able to help with the PC one since a majority of 3D came from my laptop, what is the issue you are having?

I honestly didn't spend a tremendous amount of time trying to focus the unit, but to me it wasn't as sharp on the test pattern as my JVC so I will have to go back and verify I am not having the same issue you are mentioning. Did you try throwing a smaller image, say 100" and see if the focus issue is still present? I also would try taking it down and hold it in your hands and try focusing it if possible to make sure placement is not an issue.
post #180 of 183
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Sucks that Sony didn't improve 3D much

My RS50 with new bulb had zero ghosting with tangled, Resident Evil, and the other titles you mentioned. There were only a few specific titles that caused issues like the Dinosaurs of Pantogoria, and a few IMAX titles. However thats with a new bulb, and as the bulb ages the ghosting on the JVC got much worse.

Now I'm curious how these new LCD from Panasonic and Epson will handle 3D!

Where are you getting that from? Jmalto above said he was using MKV's. I went right for the juggler with opening scenes of 3D Bluray's Alice in Wonderland (black fencing against pale yellow background), Bridge scene in M v A, Despicable Me (where he's outside the enemy's fortress, this crushes my RS50 in ghosting), etc.

new Lamp vs. new lamp, there is a marked improvement over the JVC from my intial obsersations, at least with 3D bluray frame packed. Plus NO warm up time compared to the JVC. Add in the amazing Motion Flow and this is one heck of a budget 3D projector.

I'll have the Sony and JVC side by side this weekend for direct comparisons of the two in 3D mode.
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