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post #1261 of 1402
Bob it will work but the added display support will not as it is done withing the chromapure software and if I recall correctly tied to the serial number of the meter. So in Calman it works just like a standard OEM meter
post #1262 of 1402
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Bob it will work but the added display support will not as it is done withing the chromapure software and if I recall correctly tied to the serial number of the meter. So in Calman it works just like a standard OEM meter


Thanks, Doug

So the CP Pro version only offers more display "presets"?, and then only using it with CP?

Is there a list of displays that the OEM version vs. the "Pro" version support? I mean, why buy the Pro version if the display(s) that you own are already in the OEM version? confused.gif


bob
post #1263 of 1402
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Thanks, Doug
So the CP Pro version only offers more display "presets"?, and then only using it with CP?
Is there a list of displays that the OEM version vs. the "Pro" version support? I mean, why buy the Pro version if the display(s) that you own are already in the OEM version? confused.gif
bob
It will work as a standard OEM meter for any software that supports it.

The Display 3 PRO meters are individually calibrated for 12 display modes. This is different from the generic corrections provided at the factory.
post #1264 of 1402
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

It will work as a standard OEM meter for any software that supports it.
The Display 3 PRO meters are individually calibrated for 12 display modes. This is different from the generic corrections provided at the factory.

So with other software are the generic tables still there or are they removed when you do your custom tables?
post #1265 of 1402
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

It will work as a standard OEM meter for any software that supports it.
The Display 3 PRO meters are individually calibrated for 12 display modes. This is different from the generic corrections provided at the factory.

Does CP ever intend or plan to support the retail version?
post #1266 of 1402
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

It will work as a standard OEM meter for any software that supports it.
The Display 3 PRO meters are individually calibrated for 12 display modes. This is different from the generic corrections provided at the factory.

Tom,

Can you share those 12 mode(l)s? Again, if my display is supported by the OEM model,why do I need the PRO version?

And when you say individually, do you mean every meter is hand tweaked or that they all share custom "pre-sets"? Sorry for the terminology but I don't understand EDR, profiling,etc.


bob
post #1267 of 1402
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Would the CP Display 3 Pro work with CM? Would the additional display support carry over into CM or only work with CP?
bob

Yes CalMAN can use any OEM probe and Chromapure sells the standard OEM probe. Of course CalMAN doesn't use the Chromapure correction matrices for their "Pro" meters.
post #1268 of 1402
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

Yes CalMAN can use any OEM probe and Chromapure sells the standard OEM probe. Of course CalMAN doesn't use the Chromapure correction matrices for their "Pro" meters.


But it looks like Calman supports many more matrices than Chromapure using the OEM version. I think CP uses very generic ones, not even listing any LCD displays just "standard" plasma,CRT, and projection. Correct me if I'm wrong Tom?


bob
post #1269 of 1402
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

But it looks like Calman supports many more matrices than Chromapure using the OEM version. I think CP uses very generic ones, not even listing any LCD displays just "standard" plasma,CRT, and projection. Correct me if I'm wrong Tom?
bob

That is not correct. For the OEM (or Retail) i1D3, CalMAN (and ChromaPure for the OEM i1D3) uses the EDR's supplied by X-Rite (or any future EDR's that X-Rite may add).

If you want additional EDR support which SpectraCAL can do themselves (and add new ones at any time they deem necessary) using their NIST Lab's Minolta, you need SpectraCal's C6 Meter.

ChromaPure's i1D3 Pro Meters do not add / write EDR's, Tom corrects each meters (his Pro version) response (referenced to his JETI) using a color correction matrix that is the industry standard HERE.

The C6 can only be used in CalMAN, Tom's i1D3 Pro can be used in either ChromaPure or CalMAN but only ChromaPure will use the corrections, CalMAN will use it as a OEM i1D3 with stock EDR's by X-Rite.

Regardless of how any application labels the Display Type options for the OEM / Retail i1D3, the same EDR options are in each.

I advocate getting a Spectro yourself with the colorimeter (if you want a colorimeter in the mix) and do meter profiling on your display.
Edited by turbe - 12/2/12 at 8:39am
post #1270 of 1402
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

I advocate getting a Spectro yourself with the colorimeter (if you want a colorimeter in the mix) and do meter profiling on your display.

We do as well.

But we are also trying to make sure that if a customer only has a colorimeter it is as accurate as possible.
post #1271 of 1402
OK, so I have a D3 PRO calibrated by Tom. I'm still getting erratic behavior in all 3 programs( Very low red readings) Same low red error in all 3 programs. (CM, CP, & HCFR)

I at first thought it was because it was in contact mode on my HOT Pio Elite plasma but now on a tripod 4-6"s away it's still happening.


Does the D3 meter require a warm up time even though it's not in contact mode?


thx

bob
post #1272 of 1402
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

OK, so I have a D3 PRO calibrated by Tom. I'm still getting erratic behavior in all 3 programs( Very low red readings) Same low red error in all 3 programs. (CM, CP, & HCFR)
I at first thought it was because it was in contact mode on my HOT Pio Elite plasma but now on a tripod 4-6"s away it's still happening.
Does the D3 meter require a warm up time even though it's not in contact mode?
thx
bob

my retail D3 always had a red push, profiling to a spectro solved that... regarding "warm up" time, I've been experiencing odd behavior over an over that the D3 needs to "warm up" until it settles in returning consistent readings...
post #1273 of 1402
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

my retail D3 always had a red push, profiling to a spectro solved that... regarding "warm up" time, I've been experiencing odd behavior over an over that the D3 needs to "warm up" until it settles in returning consistent readings...

Mine is profiled and it's a very low red reading.

bob
post #1274 of 1402
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

OK, so I have a D3 PRO calibrated by Tom. I'm still getting erratic behavior in all 3 programs( Very low red readings) Same low red error in all 3 programs. (CM, CP, & HCFR)
I at first thought it was because it was in contact mode on my HOT Pio Elite plasma but now on a tripod 4-6"s away it's still happening.
Does the D3 meter require a warm up time even though it's not in contact mode?
thx
bob


Seem like it's the Plasma. Needs at least an hour to lose the low red readings.

bob
post #1275 of 1402
Here are my D3PRO offsets. Tom, let me know if it's not OK to post these?

EDIT: Removed per Tom's request


So, how close is the meter from factory? Visible to the eye? What would you expect to see with the calibrated offsets? less red, more red, etc?


bob
Edited by spongebob - 12/17/12 at 8:09am
post #1276 of 1402
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Originally Posted by derekjsmith View Post


X-Rite builds four versions of the D3. They look the same but do have differences. They should have called them all something different.


ColorMunki Display - the cheapest but also the slowest and only works with X-Rite software which is very limited.


Display Pro - retail version has support for 4-6 display types and is designed to run only with X-Rite software. A couple OEM vendors have been able to license access including CalMAN.


Display3 OEM - Which everyone has access to has factory support for 4-6 display types. Most OEM products support this version of the D3.


Display3 Pro – Same as the D3 OEM but what ChromaPure sell as their Pro version of the D3 OEM with additional display support.


SpectraCal C6 – What we have build by X-Rite for us. Has different firmware, exposure modes and more capability for additional display types including field updates. It is also the most expensive for these features.

Woah, still gives me headaches when trying to choose which colorimeter to buy. The above quote clarifies it a lot, thank you for that. smile.gif


1. As I understand, if I want to be able to use calman, chromapure and HCFR, I need to buy i1 display pro OEM ccolorimeter... am I correct? Also to be able to calibrate my computer monitor, more software options for this too?

2. If I choose to buy RETAIL meter, I'm left only with calman and HCFR... right? And also left fewer software options for calibrating my computer monitor?



And I'm guessing that most of the meter I find by googling around are RETAIL meters?

Any reliable way to I separate OEM and RETAIL meters when googling?
post #1277 of 1402
I'm going to get the Display 3 PRO since you can get it Re-calibrated for $150.00. Plus it has a DLP operating mode. I had been looking at getting one for a long time. But since my LED DLP set did very little drifting between the two professional calibrations I had held off purchasing it. But now that RP DLP is coming to an end and the prices are so low, I decided to get a larger RP DLP set before they are gone. And with a lamp based set the calibration will drift more over time. So I will finally need to get the Display 3 Pro and the Chromapure software to use with my DVDO DUO.
post #1278 of 1402
Tom, how often should a Display 3 PRO be recalibrated to ensure accuracy considering that it would be used maybe twice a year?
post #1279 of 1402
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Scott B View Post

Tom, how often should a Display 3 PRO be recalibrated to ensure accuracy considering that it would be used maybe twice a year?
This meter is substantially more stable over time than its predecessor. I would suggest 18 months.
post #1280 of 1402
Tom

What make/model Plasma is used for the custom profiling?


bob
post #1281 of 1402
Thread Starter 
Panasonic ST30
post #1282 of 1402
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Originally Posted by anidabi View Post

Also to be able to calibrate my computer monitor, more software options for this too?

Which software do you want to use?
I know that NEC (spectraview), EIZO (colornavigator), basiccolor and iProfiler work with the RETAIL version, but I don't know if they also work with the OEM.

In fact I know only Chromapure which does not work with the retail version.
post #1283 of 1402
Hi,

does anybody know what the reading / viewing angle of the i1D3 is ?

I can't find any information on X-Rite's website...

Thanks.

- M
post #1284 of 1402
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

Hi,
does anybody know what the reading / viewing angle of the i1D3 is ?
I can't find any information on X-Rite's website...
Thanks.
- M

http://store.spectracal.com/article-why-viewing-angle-is-important
post #1285 of 1402
Hi all.
I'm new to this world of calibration. I've just purchased the i1d3 xrite colorimeter and I'm using it with HCFR. I have 3 questions:
  1. I've read in curtpalme guide that it is necessary to calibrate the meter before starting and periodically. Is this true with i1d3 or is a matter of previous versions of the product?
  2. is it necessary to generate spectral samples and choose the appropiate one in argyll Meter Property Page? I've choosen "Projector (Marantz HP Panasonic Projectors Hybrid EDR)" selection for my Mitsubishi front projector and "None" for my panasonic plasma.
  3. I've choosen the option "Projector" in "Reading Type" when calibrating the front projector and "Contact" when calibrating the plasma TV. I assume is correct, ok?

Sorry if this has been answered before. I've looked for a while but don't see nothing clear.
Thanks in advance.
post #1286 of 1402

dazzerxxx, thanks man !

I assume the C6 is a revised D3 with the same viewing angle, so I should use the C6 numbers in the chart ?

- M
post #1287 of 1402
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Originally Posted by alamagar View Post

Hi all.
I'm new to this world of calibration. I've just purchased the i1d3 xrite colorimeter and I'm using it with HCFR. I have 3 questions:
  1. I've read in curtpalme guide that it is necessary to calibrate the meter before starting and periodically. Is this true with i1d3 or is a matter of previous versions of the product?
  2. is it necessary to generate spectral samples and choose the appropiate one in argyll Meter Property Page? I've choosen "Projector (Marantz HP Panasonic Projectors Hybrid EDR)" selection for my Mitsubishi front projector and "None" for my panasonic plasma.
  3. I've choosen the option "Projector" in "Reading Type" when calibrating the front projector and "Contact" when calibrating the plasma TV. I assume is correct, ok?
Sorry if this has been answered before. I've looked for a while but don't see nothing clear.
Thanks in advance.
1. Calibrate the meter using a 30% stimulus pattern. I don't think you need to periodically calibrate it like the i1D2/LT. If you're calibrating a plasma in contact mode, I would let the meter warm up on the display for 15-20min before taking measurements. I found that the heat made a difference (albeit fairly small). Also select Refresh type for plasma.
2. Yes you should use a spectral sample or correction matrix if you want better accuracy. Make73 compiled a group of correction matrices for various plasmas and uploaded them here.
3. Should be fine.
Edited by rahzel - 12/25/12 at 8:15pm
post #1288 of 1402
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

1. Calibrate the meter using a 30% stimulus pattern. I don't think you need to periodically calibrate it like the i1D2/LT. If you're calibrating a plasma in contact mode, I would let the meter warm up on the display for 15-20min before taking measurements. I found that the heat made a difference (albeit fairly small). Also select Refresh type for plasma.
2. Yes you should use a spectral sample or correction matrix if you want better accuracy. Make73 compiled a group of correction matrices for various plasmas and uploaded them here.
3. Should be fine.

Thks for your answer Rahzel. I still have some issues not clear to me.

  1. What do you mean by " Calibrate the meter using a 30% stimulus pattern"?. In curtpalme guide he says:
    "LCD or Plasma: Click "Calibrate internal sensor offsets" and place the sensor on a flat non-porous opaque surface. A black surface is preferred. The inside of a black DVD case works great. Make sure it's flat and no extra light is getting in there! Select "OK" to calibrate."
    I can't see exactly the point with 30% stimulus pattern. Do you mean load the 30% white APL or windows pattern and click calibrate?
  2. Also I assume is necessary to calibrate the meter even when you are working with front projection. Is it correct?
  3. Regarding periodic or not periodic calibrations I guess you mean it is only necessary to calibrate the meter once for a long time (say months) before recalibrate it again, correct?. Curtpalme guide asserts
    "When you go to take final critical readings, you may want to manually recalibrate again to ensure everything is perfect" and
    "You'll have to calibrate next time you start up ColorHCFR or unplug/replug the Eye-One too of course"
    but I think it refers only to i1D2/LT old colorimeters.
  4. Thank you for the advice on refresh type for plasma. I didn't use it before.
  5. Regarding correction matrices. I assume if I use correction matrix is it needed to redo the calibration of the TV with that values loaded on "advanced->XYZ coordinates adjustament matrix->...", is it correct?

I guess is better to publish this post on "fork-of-hcfr-started-whats-needed" thread.
post #1289 of 1402
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Originally Posted by alamagar View Post

Hi all.
I'm new to this world of calibration. I've just purchased the i1d3 xrite colorimeter and I'm using it with HCFR. I have 3 questions:
  1. I've read in curtpalme guide that it is necessary to calibrate the meter before starting and periodically. Is this true with i1d3 or is a matter of previous versions of the product?

The i1display3 is a bit different than previous color meters.

At the beginning of your calibration session, you do take a calibration reset. You don't use a white plaque or a dark opaque surface as these are for other metes.

As for taking periodic recalibrations of the meter during a session, my experience is that it takes a good 30 minutes for the meter to stabilize. You'd do well with a plasma to warm it up for about 50 minutes for it to stabilize. So basically, turn on your plasma and hook up your meter and launch the program and wait 50 minutes. I'd recommend a reset of the meter before doing additional runs of each module. This is to prevent the compounding of errors due to meter drift.

It is recommended that you do not put the i1display3 very close to a plasma as the heat it generates can influence the meter and its readings. Some say 6" away is close enough.

Contact mode would be fine if it's an LCD that doesn't put out any heat.

Not to insult your intelligence, but be sure that you're doing your readings in a totally dark room other than the light the display puts out.
Edited by JimP - 12/26/12 at 5:07am
post #1290 of 1402
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

The i1display3 is a bit different than previous color meters.
At the beginning of your calibration session, you do take a calibration reset. You don't use a white plaque or a dark opaque surface as these are for other metes.
As for taking periodic recalibrations of the meter during a session, my experience is that it takes a good 30 minutes for the meter to stabilize. You'd do well with a plasma to warm it up for about 50 minutes for it to stabilize. So basically, turn on your plasma and hook up your meter and launch the program and wait 50 minutes. I'd recommend a reset of the meter before doing additional runs of each module. This is to prevent the compounding of errors due to meter drift.
It is recommended that you do not put the i1display3 very close to a plasma as the heat it generates can influence the meter and its readings. Some say 6" away is close enough.
Contact mode would be fine if it's an LCD that doesn't put out any heat.
Not to insult your intelligence, but be sure that you're doing your readings in a totally dark room other than the light the display puts out.

Thks, JimP.
  • By a calibration reset, you mean what Razel says: "Calibrate the meter using a 30% stimulus pattern."?
  • Regarding not to put the meter in contact with the plasma, I'm surprised and a bit confused. Till now what I read including curtpalme guide is to put the meter in contact for plasma. Then If I put the meter 6" away from the display, It will be ok to use APL small patterns or the meter will be measuing dark areas too?
  • Don't worry I calibrate in totally dark enviroment.
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