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post #91 of 1402
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

The new Sony 30ES front projector boasts new calibration controls:

"The VPL-HW30ES offers Real Color Processing Version 2" function to adjust the colour and hue of each target colour of the projected picture independently.
Additionally, version 2 adds the ability to adjust the brightness at the same time. With this capability, dealer and enthusiastic users can tweak the images to perfection."

Can this new meter and software be just the hot-ticket to adjust each target color, tint and now brightness? Or will there need to be an update?

The meter and software don't adjust - you do with the remote. The exception would be if the PJ had IFFccc and there was sofware to interface with it. The meter and software merely give you information.

Maybe I don't understand what you are asking??? Your question about updating is throwing me off....
post #92 of 1402
Thread Starter 
Sony's RCP feature has never been very useful because the color adjustment was really just a chroma gain control, similar to the main color control except it was targeted to work for specific colors. It sounds like the version 2 RCP turns this into a full-fledged CMS with independent control over saturation, hue, and luminance.

And, yes, ChromaPure offers full control over color management.

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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

The new Sony 30ES front projector boasts new calibration controls:

"The VPL-HW30ES offers Real Color Processing Version 2" function to adjust the colour and hue of each target colour of the projected picture independently.
Additionally, version 2 adds the ability to adjust the brightness at the same time. With this capability, dealer and enthusiastic users can tweak the images to perfection."

Can this new meter and software be just the hot-ticket to adjust each target color, tint and now brightness? Or will there need to be an update?
post #93 of 1402
If I have a i1 pro then I don't need to order i1 dispay 3 PRO since i1 d3 meter(not PRO) can be profiled by i1pro and will have no problem with LED TVs, etc.? Or i1d3 PRO is still preferred?

Thnx in advance,
freebits
post #94 of 1402
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

If I have a i1 pro then I don't need to order i1 dispay 3 PRO since i1 d3 meter(not PRO) can be profiled by i1pro and will have no problem with LED TVs, etc.? Or i1d3 PRO is still preferred?

Thnx in advance,
freebits

There should be no difference between the Pro and non-Pro versions in this regard.

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I asked the local X-Rite representative and he didn't directly answer my question about the rebate (I guess he didn't even hear about it, that's why he didn't give a direct NO answer either) but he gave me a price which I think is higher than I would end up with ordering it from the US and it will be available after ~1 month. I didn't find any suitable US sellers yet but I don't need to rush, I wouldn't be able to use it the way I want until ArgyllCMS will support it (unknown if ever but I guess it won't take too long).
post #95 of 1402
Thread Starter 
If you already have an i1Pro, then paying extra for the Display 3 PRO would probably be overkill.

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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

If I have a i1 pro then I don't need to order i1 dispay 3 PRO since i1 d3 meter(not PRO) can be profiled by i1pro and will have no problem with LED TVs, etc.? Or i1d3 PRO is still preferred?
post #96 of 1402
Does HCFR support these devices yet? If not, do they usually release updates in a timely manner?
post #97 of 1402
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Originally Posted by DJSloan View Post

Does HCFR support these devices yet? If not, do they usually release updates in a timely manner?

The last update to HCFR was almost 2.5 years ago (Jan 17, 2009). I may be mistaken but I thought the developers moved on to other things.

Kal
post #98 of 1402
Ok ive have just placed my order for the Chromapure 2.2 standard software with upgraded Colormunki display 3 as found on chromapure.co.uk
I`m hoping i`ve made the right choice, its my understanding that the colormunki is exactly the same hardware as the i1 display 3, and the chromapure software will access 100% of the features as found in the i1display 3.

The normal x-rite software for the i1 display 3 has ticks next to the following options below but the regular software for colormunki doesnt have ticks next to them, so i really need to know:

Can chromapure software be able to measure
with upgraded colormunkie White Point, & white luminances?

Can chrompure enable colormunkie display 3 for tone response (1.8, 2.2, 3.0, sRGB)

Looking forward to calibrating my 3 LCD/ 3LED projector
post #99 of 1402
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

The normal x-rite software for the i1 display 3 has ticks next to the following options below but the regular software for colormunki doesnt have ticks next to them, so i really need to know:

Can chromapure software be able to measure
with upgraded colormunkie White Point, & white luminances?

Can chrompure enable colormunkie display 3 for tone response (1.8, 2.2, 3.0, sRGB)

These are limitations for X-Rite iProfiler Software only. It's some menu based options before the auto-calibration of PC Monitors with X-Rite Software.
post #100 of 1402
I suppose what i`m really asking is:

Will colormunki display 3 with chromapure software give exactly the same performance of the i1 display 3 using chrompure software.

is there any options that colormunki wont be able to access which are available to the i1 display 3?
Would i have been better off buying the i1 display 3 with chromapure rather than the colormunki display 3 with chromapure.
post #101 of 1402
Thread Starter 
No. The 5x speed advantage of the i1 Display Pro III is a firmware difference in the meter. That's why it is a little more expensive.

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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

I suppose what i`m really asking is:

Will colormunki display 3 with chromapure software give exactly the same performance of the i1 display 3 using chrompure software.

is there any options that colormunki wont be able to access which are available to the i1 display 3?
Would i have been better off buying the i1 display 3 with chromapure rather than the colormunki display 3 with chromapure.
post #102 of 1402
Thxs Tom, thats great news)
post #103 of 1402
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

Ok ive have just placed my order for the Chromapure 2.2 standard software with upgraded Colormunki display 3 as found on chromapure.co.uk

Thanks for the link, I think I will order it from here.

I saw this advertisements of the Spyder colorimeters:

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This meter is upgraded (within the UK) with the same procedure described in the Chroma5pro information. This means the meter ships with tables for LCDs, LEDs, CRT, projector, plasma when used with ChromaPure.

Two questions:

- Do you offer sensor-unique correction matrices for the ColorMunki display as well?

As much as I understand, this product has it's own factory measured unique (reliable quality) spectral response curves in it's firmware. So, may be the unique matrices are not necessary anymore and it will be enough to have generic corrections for the individual display models. (For example every CMD user will be able to use a "Panasonic G30 spectral measurements" file because the software will be able to compare this with the curves from the firmware (and we can assume that every G30 has the same phosphor gamut with negligible variances only).

- If there are corrections (either generic display model or sensor-unique) then can I access them in simple, human readable text format to use them outside of ChromaPure? (Assume that I bought the sensor from you...)

(I don't have any ChromaPure licenses because I simply don't need any software like that. Don't take it wrong, but I probably still prefer the open-source command line tools even if ChromaPure would be entirely free. I just like ArgyllCMS better than anything else...)


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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post

Thxs Tom, thats great news)

Is it you or me who misunderstand that information? I think it is actually a bad news for us. (You have to pay more to access the faster measurement mode with any software, X-Rite or third-party)
post #104 of 1402
Thread Starter 
The X-Rite names for this family of colorimeters are

ColorMunki Display (retail)
i1 Display Pro III (OEM professional)

I only sell the i1 Display Pro III, but this posed a naming problem. I have always distinguished stock meters from meters I individually calibrate by a PRO suffix. I couldn't very well call the specially calibrated version of the new meter the i1 Display Pro III PRO.

So I have have settled on just Display 3 or Display 3 PRO, which I think is simple and straightforward. Other vendors may choose to call it something else entirely.
post #105 of 1402
Ok i`m a bit noobish ive ordered the colormunki thru chromapure.co.uk+ chromapure 2.2 standard

Can you clear up an issue do do with HTPC.

I dont own a duo or a lumagen etc, I just got a HTPC which i plug my projector into the HDMI port.

Is chromapure just for generating reports? or does it give me access to change my color levels, gamma, secondary primaries etc

My projectors functions are basic, and need color adjustments done thru PC software.

This otherguy says

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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post
Hmm.. I hope you aren't misunderstanding what Chromapure can do.. Chromapure's sole purpose in life is a measurement tool using the meter for input. It can't calibrate a projector unless you will be using a video processor such as the Lumagen Mini 3D which now works with Chromapures auto calibration process. Nor does it run on the HTPC as a replacement for a CMS/Gamma controls, etc. This is just a measuring application.

it's only going to give you results based on how far off the projector is from a D65 baseline. It is then up to the end user to make the appropriate changes in the projectors software.

As I outlined earlier, there are several critical areas that have to be adjusted in order to achieve a correct display calibration. If the display doesn't have those features, then you cannot adjust those settings.

In other words, if the color space is a mile off of REC709 standards and you don't have a 6 axis CMS to make adjustments, you'll be left with a pretty chart from Chromapure showing you how far off your projector is...
Is chromapure suitable for HTPC? i was under the impression it was.. yikes, otherwise do i need additional software or a product to calibrate my HTPC projector? do i need to save up for a duo or lumagen?
post #106 of 1402
ChromaPure is a nice GUI which helps you easily adjust your hardware OSD settings (like white point, gamma, gamut and other possible HDTV calibration controls).
The bundle software helps you to adjust a limited number of basic hardware OSD settings (luminance and white point at 100%) and creates a LUT for your VGA card (to precisely adjust the overall white balance and TRC) and also an ICM profile to use it with CMS softwares (used togother with the embedded iCM profile of the content or similar things like that...) for 3D color corrections.
post #107 of 1402
Thread Starter 
You all should know that AVS is now selling ChromaPure and ChromaPure/meter bundles in their online store.

http://shop.avscience.com/Video-Calibration_c_28.html
post #108 of 1402
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post
The X-Rite names for this family of colorimeters are

ColorMunki Display (retail)
i1 Display Pro III (OEM professional)

I only sell the i1 Display Pro III, but this posed a naming problem. I have always distinguished stock meters from meters I individually calibrate by a PRO suffix. I couldn't very well call the specially calibrated version of the new meter the i1 Display Pro III PRO.

So I have have settled on just Display 3 or Display 3 PRO, which I think is simple and straightforward. Other vendors may choose to call it something else entirely.
Can a ColorMunki Display be upgraded into the PRO version for $125?
post #109 of 1402
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post
Can a ColorMunki Display be upgraded into the PRO version for $125?
Thats what i have just ordered today

1 x ChromaPure Version 2.2 Standard & ColorMunki Display Pro (bought from chromapure UK as i am from england etc)


Also thxs janos for your explaination
post #110 of 1402
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post
Thats what i have just ordered today

1 x ChromaPure Version 2.2 Standard & ColorMunki Display Pro (bought from chromapure UK as i am from england etc)


Also thxs janos for your explaination
don't see that option in the US
post #111 of 1402
post #112 of 1402
Hmm you know i ordered my colormunki pro today..
seems theres an issue..

"Dear all,

There may be an issue with the support with the Colormunki within ChromaPure. We are trying to establish the problem with Xrite in the UK, USA and EU. This is not something that had previously envisaged. We had previously been informed that they were the same meter, and it is only when the production samples appeared that the issue arose. I am going to speaking to Xrite again in the morning, and will keep you informed, and dependant on the outcome, any of you with outstanding orders will be offered the chance to upgrade to the i1Display Pro (for the price difference), or receive a full refund.

Apologies for the inconvenience.

Kind regards

Ricky
post #113 of 1402
Thread Starter 
I just had a lengthy discussion with X-Rite, and here's what I learned.
  • There are actually 3 versions of this meter--ColorMunki, i1 Display Pro III retail, and an i1 Display Pro III OEM.
  • The ColorMunki and Display Pro retail are for the retail market only and are designed to work with the included X-Rite software for monitor profiling.
  • The retail versions will NOT function in ChromaPure or any other vendor's software other than X-Rite. Only the OEM version will work because the code in ChromaPure includes a password for enabling it.
  • The retail and OEM versions of the i1 Display Pro are otherwise identical.
  • If you want to use this meter with ChromaPure, then you have to obtain the meter from ChromaPure directly, one of my partners (e.g. AVS), or another OEM vendor. Versions of this meter obtained in the retail market will not work.
This is why some in the U.K. got meters before I did. What they have are apparently the retail versions, which, if I understood this correctly, won't even work with ChromaPure. The OEM meters won't be released for another 3 weeks or so yet.

I hope this clarifies things.
post #114 of 1402
EDITED

Oh nice. "It was too lovely to be true..." There is always a catch.

I think it will also make it more difficult (if not impossible in reasonable time with the available resources) to get it work with ArgyllCMS.

Why the hell they did it...? Why can't I use at least the PRO version with any third-party softwares???
post #115 of 1402
Thread Starter 
It is not a bug at all. X-Rite intentionally engineered it this way.

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Originally Posted by janos666 View Post
Is it a software or a hardware related bug?

If the first ColorMunki Display hardwares are defective then we can't be sure when it will be safe to order one from random webshops.
post #116 of 1402
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post
It is not a bug at all. X-Rite intentionally engineered it this way.
I edited my post when I noticed yours about the details (right before I sent that in...).
post #117 of 1402
Tom,
Do you know if the OEM version of the D3 qualifies for the trade-in program?

Regards,
Steve
post #118 of 1402
I`m still about confused about chromapure 2.2
theres a bunch of people telling me different things some say chromapure generates reports only, and it wouldnt be suitable for my projector as my projector controls have only; brightness, contrast, saturation and has no other whiteness, blacklevels to access

Others are saying chromapure does full colour managment, so i`m guessing you can alter settings within chromapure to get an optimal picture.

Is the LUT file generated though the x-rite softwares, then after i would have to use chromapure? or can i ditch the x-rite software and calibrate my projector using just chromapure

My projector has no advanced CMS controls to access and really need the color managment through PC to run my projector. I have an ATI 5750 with HDMI port and use my PC as a HTPC. Curently my projector is running a bit blue.

Ive tried powerstrip, but it suxs i was hoping chromapure with the i1 display 3 would get me lovely pc colours.

Sorry if it seems ive asked this question before, but i cant seem to get a definitive answer.


Help plz!
post #119 of 1402
Thread Starter 
Except for controlling some external signal generators and video processors, CP doesn't "do" anything. Along with a color analyzer and test patterns it allows you to measure and report your display's performance. It makes no actual adjustments. It doesn't create LUTs or profiles.

The only way that it would help with a display with little or no calibration controls would be in concert with a DVDO Duo or Lumagen Radiance video processor.
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Originally Posted by sellmejunk View Post
I`m still about confused about chromapure 2.2
theres a bunch of people telling me different things some say chromapure generates reports only, and it wouldnt be suitable for my projector as my projector controls have only; brightness, contrast, saturation and has no other whiteness, blacklevels to access

Others are saying chromapure does full colour managment, so i`m guessing you can alter settings within chromapure to get an optimal picture.

Is the LUT file generated though the x-rite softwares, then after i would have to use chromapure? or can i ditch the x-rite software and calibrate my projector using just chromapure

My projector has no advanced CMS controls to access and really need the color managment through PC to run my projector. I have an ATI 5750 with HDMI port and use my PC as a HTPC. Curently my projector is running a bit blue.

Ive tried powerstrip, but it suxs i was hoping chromapure with the i1 display 3 would get me lovely pc colours.

Sorry if it seems ive asked this question before, but i cant seem to get a definitive answer.


Help plz!
post #120 of 1402
Thanks for the info Tom

I guess no home cinema is complete without a duo or lumagen radiance,. I`ll add those to my wish list!
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