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post #151 of 341
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

And even IF they did do your silly "we know it" what's the point? You ALREADY have the problem. All I can say is thank god you're not in the customer service industry, because if you where in charge you CSRs would just have a HARDER time with customers getting even more pissed when you make them say something that SERVES NO GOOD PURPOSE.

You live in a lala land of people that have never been in the customer service industry for a large corporation, because telling your customer everything is absolutly the LAST thing you want to do. Your CSRs don't have the TIME to explain it completely, and the point is to take care of the people's problems, not hold thier hand, explain how your IR filter is bonded to the screen, how many PSI it takes to do it, why ther screen failed.

What you want is a TV from a company that costs $10k per inch so they can afford CSRs to hold your hand when you call them. Oh wait, you are going to do that and buy a panasonic (almost). Have fun paying for the hand holding!

Like I said, "banding together" isn't going to make Samsung fix the production line, it's not going to change them ALREADY FIXING every TV that a customer calls in about being defective. What you want to do is PUNISH them for a manufacturing defect, one that many companies have because complex and NEW designs do have failures that need smoothed out.

As I suggested, stop buying things if you can't handle it. Your car has issues you probably never knew about because they fixed the issues early on in production before you bought the one you bought. Your house probably had things fixed before you moved in, maybe even after you moved in.

Your recent posts on this issue certainly contain a lot of fairly ridiculous hyperbole, as well as misrepresentations of what others have actually said. In addition, for some reason this issue seems to be highly emotional for you. I continue to be mystified by this, but it probably serves no useful purpose to engage with you further.

You've made your points and I have made mine and others have made theirs. I'm sure everyone who is faced with the problem under discussion will decide what they think is appropriate for them in terms of communicating with Samsung.

P. S. FWIW, I have finished communicating with Samsung for now, so I won't be doing anything that will result in TV's costing "$10K per inch."
post #152 of 341
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Topend.....what rogo said.

There's no way of knowing if Samsung has corrected the problem until they trend to fewer and fewer peelers. How long that takes is anyone's guess. Probably the best approach for you is to decide how long you're willing to wait with a drop dead date. If its not apparant that Samsung has corrected the problem by that date, then go elsewhere. As far as what that date should be is entirely up to you and your situation. If your current set totally died, that drop dead date (for me) would be a lot sooner than if you're just looking to update your set and don't have necessarily an immediate need.

In any event, best of luck.
post #153 of 341
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Topend.....what rogo said.

There's no way of knowing if Samsung has corrected the problem until they trend to fewer and fewer peelers. How long that takes is anyone's guess. Probably the best approach for you is to decide how long you're willing to wait with a drop dead date. If its not apparant that Samsung has corrected the problem by that date, then go elsewhere. As far as what that date should be is entirely up to you and your situation. If your current set totally died, that drop dead date (for me) would be a lot sooner than if you're just looking to update your set and don't have necessarily an immediate need.

In any event, best of luck.

Thankyou for your response. I would be upgrading from an 18 month old Panasonic 50" plasma so if I can muster up some patience then I guess there is no hurry.

Dave.
post #154 of 341
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Topend.....what rogo said.

There's no way of knowing if Samsung has corrected the problem until they trend to fewer and fewer peelers. How long that takes is anyone's guess. Probably the best approach for you is to decide how long you're willing to wait with a drop dead date. If its not apparant that Samsung has corrected the problem by that date, then go elsewhere. As far as what that date should be is entirely up to you and your situation. If your current set totally died, that drop dead date (for me) would be a lot sooner than if you're just looking to update your set and don't have necessarily an immediate need.

In any event, best of luck.

I'd really just like to buy one of these, too. I've decided it's a pretty decent price/performance choice that could hold me over for 2+ years for sure and maybe much longer... while I wait for something truly worthy of $5K and a 10 year life... So I'm waiting for that trend/answer.
post #155 of 341
@David_B: Did you jump in here just to stir up trouble, or did you have a peeling Samsung? From your posts, I'm guessing the former.

Smitty and Rogo are exactly right. The purpose isn't to make Samsung look bad. I have no desire for that. But I would prefer that they don't tell customers when the report the problem that (A) they've never heard of the problem and (B) imply that it's the customer's fault by stating they don't cover physical damage.
post #156 of 341
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Originally Posted by agogley View Post

@David_B: Did you jump in here just to stir up trouble, or did you have a peeling Samsung? From your posts, I'm guessing the former.

Smitty and Rogo are exactly right. The purpose isn't to make Samsung look bad. I have no desire for that. But I would prefer that they don't tell customers when the report the problem that (A) they've never heard of the problem and (B) imply that it's the customer's fault by stating they don't cover physical damage.

the physical damage line is BS.. it more like the CSR has no ideal what you are talking about and reading from a standard script...just throwing that in there for good seasoning.
post #157 of 341
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post

the physical damage line is BS.. it more like the CSR has no ideal what you are talking about and reading from a standard script...just throwing that in there for good seasoning.

Yes, based on the discussion I had with the CSR, it is a standard line they must say whenever they are not aware of a particular problem.

This is the way it works. You call the 800 Samung number and make a warranty claim. A CSR takes your model #, serial #, and assigns you a claim number. You give a description of the problem and then they put you on hold for a few minutes while they "research" the problem. The CSR comes back and says, "We don't have any reports of this problem. We'll have an assigned technician contact you. I have to tell you this, Samsung doesn't cover physical damage. If it is physical damage, you'll have to pay for the repair call." You are then assigned to a customer repair advocate who is supposed to act as an advocate for you. The advocate schedules contacts the service company in your area.
post #158 of 341
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Originally Posted by agogley View Post

Yes, based on the discussion I had with the CSR, it is a standard line they must say whenever they are not aware of a particular problem.

This is the way it works. You call the 800 Samung number and make a warranty claim. A CSR takes your model #, serial #, and assigns you a claim number. You give a description of the problem and then they put you on hold for a few minutes while they "research" the problem. The CSR comes back and says, "We don't have any reports of this problem. We'll have an assigned technician contact you. I have to tell you this, Samsung doesn't cover physical damage. If it is physical damage, you'll have to pay for the repair call." You are then assigned to a customer repair advocate who is supposed to act as an advocate for you. The advocate schedules contacts the service company in your area.

This is exactly what i will do down the road, my bubble is currently very
small, and i have no other issues so I am going to keep this set and wait
until theres a fix or it gets to where I am not enjoying it because of the
problem, who knows maybe they will swap it out for 2012 model with
9g Kuro blacks if i wait long enough.....
post #159 of 341
Have any of you guys with peeling screens tried just peeling the entire coating off & see how the screen looks?

I would imagine the coating doesn't effect the glare THAT much..

I'd much rather just peel the whole damn thing off than return my beautiful TV 3 or 4 times.
post #160 of 341
Thread Starter 
....well, it is an antiglare screen. Why would you expect it to not affact glare? You paid for it as a feature of the display, you should have it.
post #161 of 341
Has anyone had a technician come and service their screen yet? Just curious if I should expect a panel swap or a unit swap.

Also curious if the technician was aware of the problem, had procedures to fix, etc. It sounds like just about everyone who finds it is still in their return window, so just trying to collect data on what to expect. I'm probably going to call w/in the week, but just curious how the Samsung service has been (NOT the CSRs, but the actually technician process).

Oh, and I'd really like to know if I lose my TV to a service center for weeks, if if they can do the work at home (I assume a full unit swap is np, I have never seen a panel swap performed and don't know the work involved).

Man I wish they just could take the bezel off and do some kind of tape/glue magic.

I did putz around with mine pressing it with an lcd cloth, and actually sticks back down, but pops back up within 5 hours. I was able to improve it slightly though. Before it had enroached the pixels, whereas now it came back but is a few dots away from live pixels.
post #162 of 341
Thread Starter 
sippelmc,

A couple of people have posted that the tech take the plasma apart and replace the panel in your home.

Be mindful that not all shops work the same way. Some always want to take the display back to the shop to work on them.

As far as I know, Samsung has been pretty good about either replacing the panel or refunding it. They only scare the begeebers out of people when their CSRs say that if its deemed to be caused by the customer that it wouldn't be covered by warranty. I suspect this is on a scrip that their telebots are reading from.
post #163 of 341
TV arrived July 6th looking almost perfect but saw a small bubble on the upper right hand corner and noted it on the receipt. 100 hours of slides and five days later the peel showed up last night and there are a couple of more spots with potential to peel. I called the store I ordered from and they are swapping it out. Otherwise, there was no buzz at all and the picture is amazing. Will be very happy if I don't get another peeler.
post #164 of 341
here is mine. May 2011, 64-7000 series. no slides or break in. The first one in the corner showed up about 2 hours after viewing. The second one a little further in was about 2 weeks and ~20 viewing hours later. waiting on a replacment now.

post #165 of 341
^^^ those are huge. Mine is the size of maybe quarter of a nickel.
post #166 of 341
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post

^^^ those are huge. Mine is the size of maybe quarter of a nickel.

give it time.
post #167 of 341
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

sippelmc,

A couple of people have posted that the tech take the plasma apart and replace the panel in your home.

Be mindful that not all shops work the same way. Some always want to take the display back to the shop to work on them.

As far as I know, Samsung has been pretty good about either replacing the panel or refunding it. They only scare the begeebers out of people when their CSRs say that if its deemed to be caused by the customer that it wouldn't be covered by warranty. I suspect this is on a scrip that their telebots are reading from.

Thanks, ya. That certainly is a CSR script item; not worried about them much since I can reference many threads, give them other ticket numbers to x-reference, and also I read in another thread the actual search terms they need to use in their problem/resolution database. And it certainly isn't physical damage.

Gonna monitor my little bubble for the next week, see how it grows, then phone it in. I really suspect that its run its course and wont get significantly larger in the near-term, but 2 years from now who knows...

Will report on how it goes. My biggest fear is going through either (a) multiple iterations of panels with bubbles and lots of back and forth [I guess then its refund time] or (b) getting a good panel with something else that bugs me, like a dead pixel. Right now mine is so lovely...so perfect...such beautiful colors and uniformity....such wonderful darks w/detail....etc. Damn bubble.

I'd be willing to bet they fix their mfg process by Aug, but that's speculation. I doubt they want to be in a position that in 7 months everyone will be given upgrades to the 2012 version.
post #168 of 341
my viewing room is extremely hot so maybe that is helping mine (actually hurting it) as I really don't have many hours on the tv. I too don't have a single other issue with this tv, so I'm a little scared about the replacement process. I'm sure it will be made right eventually.
post #169 of 341
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Originally Posted by JeffDaniel View Post


give it time.

Nah .., I already started the process of exchange or fix

I think it the cooling that gets it.. My peel gets smaller when the tv is on
post #170 of 341
I feel terrible for those of you already dealing with this. People happening on this thread right now should simply not purchase one of these until there is a clearer resolution of the problem. It's not worth buying a TV thinking you might well probably be exchanging it for a problem there is a good chance the manufacturer is continuing to have.
post #171 of 341
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

....well, it is an antiglare screen. Why would you expect it to not affact glare? You paid for it as a feature of the display, you should have it.

I said I wouldn't expect it to effect glare THAT much, meaning I'm sure I could live without it and so could many of the people with this issue if it means they won't have to return the product numerous times trying to get one that doesn't peel.

My question still hasn't been answered, has anyone even tried to peel the whole coating off?
post #172 of 341
I'll live without after my tv is off warranty.. Until then I don't want it peeling. In my environment it won't make much of a difference anyways.
post #173 of 341
I'm certainly not going to peel the thing off while the tv is under warranty.
post #174 of 341
I don't expect peeling it off is going to give very good results. Aside from the warranty issues, I would not recommend this path of action anytime soon -- if ever.
post #175 of 341
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Originally Posted by Gempulse View Post

I said I wouldn't expect it to effect glare THAT much, meaning I'm sure I could live without it and so could many of the people with this issue if it means they won't have to return the product numerous times trying to get one that doesn't peel.

My question still hasn't been answered, has anyone even tried to peel the whole coating off?

I really doubt anyone would intentionally void their warranty, especially when they are dealing with a known problem.
post #176 of 341
Just thought I'd give an update. I've owned the set for almost a month now and have approx. 100-200 hours on the TV. The initial "bubble" has not gotten any bigger. I chalk it up to a little piece that didn't get stuck down all the way during manufacturing. I do not foresee it getting any bigger. It isn't noticeable so I'm not going to complain.

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Originally Posted by Gempulse View Post

I said I wouldn't expect it to effect glare THAT much, meaning I'm sure I could live without it and so could many of the people with this issue if it means they won't have to return the product numerous times trying to get one that doesn't peel.

My question still hasn't been answered, has anyone even tried to peel the whole coating off?

Peeling the coating off will be noticeable. You'll stretch the film and it will void your warranty. Not to mention it would be a royal PITA to remove. You're better off returning your set and getting the D6500. That's what you'd end up with if you were to remove your RBF.
post #177 of 341
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Originally Posted by Macleod52 View Post

Just thought I'd give an update. I've owned the set for almost a month now and have approx. 100-200 hours on the TV. The initial "bubble" has not gotten any bigger. I chalk it up to a little piece that didn't get stuck down all the way during manufacturing. I do not foresee it getting any bigger. It isn't noticeable so I'm not going to complain.

Peeling the coating off will be noticeable. You'll stretch the film and it will void your warranty. Not to mention it would be a royal PITA to remove. You're better off returning your set and getting the D6500. That's what you'd end up with if you were to remove your RBF.

I put off by the peeling so checked the Australian Samsung web site and they list the PS64D550. Anyone know what I would be missing out on with this model?

Dave.
post #178 of 341
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Originally Posted by Topend View Post

I put off by the peeling so checked the Australian Samsung web site and they list the PS64D550. Anyone know what I would be missing out on with this model?

Dave.

well I doubt the D550 have the filter... so there is little chance you will peel.
post #179 of 341
Just a quick update. It's been a shade over three weeks with the replacements D7000 panel and thankfully no bubbles. I checked it just the other day with a tactical LED flashlight and it's perfect. It doesnt feel unusually hot anywhere either. Let's hope this trend continues.
post #180 of 341
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post


well I doubt the D550 have the filter... so there is little chance you will peel.

That was my reason for looking at another model. I was wondering what else I will miss out on. I have a bit of spare time now so will research it.

Dave.
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