3D Passive Display Gaming for the PC

Anyone that's ready to game in 3D for pc games, this is the place I am going to respond to others about questions you may have on gaming and so on.

The first thing you want to do when playing games in 3D is get your games installed and ready to play on your computer. This is important because there is a 30 day trial on IZ3D drivers and if you can at least see how games play in 3D, then you will know whether it is worth buying the IZ3D license to play games.

WARNING: Playing games in 3D may make you stop playing games in 2D, hehe

Ok now that's out of the way, go to my guide at
http://forum.iz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5205

Tip for Vizio users, use the Zalman output
everyone else, LG and Toshiba should use Interleaved, Horizontal Optimized.

Shutter display users, if requested I will add supplement notes to run, but I do not have this display to test so I'm I can't help troubleshoot these types of display.

The drivers power the video cards only render the 3d environment, it doesn't actually send 3d images composed of left and right images to the screen. That's where you need a software approach that takes the z-buffer information and renders two camera to create the 3d depth image. Nvidia uses a closed system approach in that it requires their specified 3d monitor and shutter glasses.

If you buy a passive screen, you remove the need for using shutter glasses and bypass any problems with lcd refresh rates and shutter sync problems. Since the internal tech is now on the tv itself, the only thing you have to watch out for is the viewing angle. So without companies that push stereo 3D like Sony PS3, everyone has to rely on 3d drivers to play games, and at least you can play most games easily in 3D now instead of waiting for the software developer to code the 3D path in games.

Shutter glasses do have technical advantages such as full resolution per eye.

I have a 5870 video card using IZ3D drivers, I can run most outputs on my tv which includes Side by Side, Interleaved, Checkerboard, Frame Sequential, and AMD HD3D 1.4a Frame-packing mode. If I use HD3D, then I can only play at the same resolutions you can. With Interleaved, I can play at 1920x1080 at 60 fps because the bandwidth is really only using 1920x540 pixels due to the FPR layer of the tv and I can play at all resolutions the game runs at by using the IZ3D "scaling" function to upscale all games to native resolution in case I have frame rate problems.

The IZ3D drivers support Nvidia or AMD videocards, only catch is IZ3D does not support SLI or Crossfire and dual cards like the nvidia 590 cards. 580 is ok though.

With the Panasonic tv you have, you can run IZ3D in Side by Side mode but there will be mouse cursor placement problems in those mouse heavy usage games. In that case, the best gameplay wise for you on that tv is Nvidia 3DTV play at 1280x720 at 60 fps.

Yeah, 3D gaming is the next revolution for 3DTVs and its available and working now.

I will need to buy the Tridef drivers at some point but I've been using the IZ3D drivers for 3 years so its just so easy to use now so that's my reason for using these drivers.

I do know with Tridef demo that I used, it has some really good advantages that will help propel 3D usage to casual computers with the use of Virtual 3D. This mode is great for medium performance video cards because it doesn't take a performance impact compared to rendering two frames at the same time that IZ3D and Nvidia uses but the 3D quality will not be as accurate. This should thereby increase market penetration of 3D awareness into more devices and help grow the 3D market at the same time.

I've seen how Tridef renders each scene of 3D at 3 different viewing frustrums to help manage overseparation of 3d objects and minimize eye strain. The only thing I don't like is having to point games to the Tridef launcher to play games, I don't have to do that with IZ3D. Also I had some problems with Steam and Sonic Racing for Tridef and was never able to get it working in a 3D output except anaglyph. Games that were supported worked fine though. I remember Tridef used to charge users for each game profile but now they do not do that anymore.

IZ3D does not have a separation or depth limit so I can set the 3d as high as I want and it also has profiles that I can switch between if games use sudden depth changes I can accommodate for.

If you are an nvidia user, then you have more options and you can use 3DTV play. Of course, as a AMD user you do have AMD HD3D support but that one I'm still working out problems with it.

One hint I wanted to forward though is the 3D vision drivers supported the Zalman line interleaved monitors at one point so if someone knows how to access these drivers I'm linking to use then you have just opened up 3D vision native drivers without using 3rd party drivers for passive tv users.

Here's the link.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/stereo-...96-driver.html

In 3D, you really want to get the best single video card possible because the card has to render two views at the same time. With both of those 4 cores, it won't matter which one you choose, usually for gaming a faster cpu will be better but .1 will make very little difference, maybe 1 frame advantage in games. Very few games take advantage of all cores, GTA4 is a good example. Just get the best single graphics card becuase that will truly increase your framerate substantially.

Punkbuster is not good for 3d gaming that's for sure, you can look in the IZ3D forums to see if they can fix that though.

Your videocard is fine for 3d gaming, just depends on what TV you have. The only limitations with Shutter is you cannot ever get maximum resolution with 60fps using frame-packing mode. You can achieve this only with Side by Side, Checkerboard, Line-Interleaved using Tridef or IZ3D drivers. The very strength of shutter glass full resolution HD per eye is also its Achilles heel because it hit its max bandwidth attainable by HDMI 1.4a standards at 24 fps.

Just to be clear, 1280x720 frame-packing mode works at 60 fps.

Hi slmhofy

Seems like an easy solution on this tv. There a 4 to 5 video settings on this tv. Since I am primarily using the Standard video, you could customize the Cinema, Game, and ISF Expert modes for Netflix and PS3 separately and change it on the fly whenever you want while still connected to one HDMI port into the tv. The only factor I can't test is how much latency you lose for input response when you connect through a 1.4a receiver.

Also I need to point out that the mode I used was on the PC label input which disables a lot of video processing and so then you may want that for watching movies or sports so you would need to change the input label to blank to fix this.

It sounds like a v-synch synchronization problem that I will post here

http://forum.iz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5272

If you are using any of the frame-packing modes this is usually when I see this problem where the frames that don't stay in sync together and the eyes swap at a fast rate.

On the IZ3D drivers, I used Side by Side instead of the framepacking mode to fix this but I have to ask you this, is it only a problem in 3D or do you have this problem in 2D?

If it's a 2D problem, try enabling triple buffering in the drivers.

I'm not too familiar with those setups but it seems more of a microstutter issue for dual video cards like your 6990 and 590. The 560 unless it was in SLI would not have any microstutter that I know of.

Google that term and see if it helps.