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X-rite Display 2 + Calman or Display 3 + Chromapure?

post #1 of 14
6/23/11 at 9:35am
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Hey all, I currently have a Colormunki design, which I have been using with colorHCFR. I recently ordered the X2 + Calman package with a license for the Colormunki so I can profile the X2, total cost ~550, I have not yet received it.

I just noticed that X-rite has a new model, the display 3, coming out in July. I haven't seen anything saying that Calman will support that meter (in the very near future), so I guess I couldn't change my order from the Display 2 to the Display 3 with Calman.

If I were to cancel the order and switch to Cromapure, however, I don't believe they support the Colormunki design, so I wouldn't be able to profile the display 3 meter.

So my question is, should I stick with the X-rite display 2 - Colormunki design - Calman package, or would the X-rite display 3 - Chromapure package be a better choice even though it doesn't support my Colormunki for profiling?

I will be getting a Lumagen mini3D in the relatively near future, so some sort of automated interaction with that device would be very useful as well. I don't know whether Calman or Chromapure makes any real difference with this.
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post #2 of 14
6/23/11 at 10:33am
Pretty sure SpectraCal has the D3 name Chroma 6. Call them and ask. Someone gave pricing of the C6 as about the same as the C5 which would seem too high.
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post #3 of 14
6/26/11 at 2:54am
What? How did you use the ColorMunki Design with HCFR? As much as I know HCFR never supported these spectros because X-Rite didn't let them to officially support it and the development of that software have been practically discontinued already.

I think you talk about the ColorMunki Create which is the same old GretagMachbet hardware as the Eye One Display 2 or the i1LT (and many other OEM brand names...).

This new Display III sensor sounds very exciting but the software side seems problematic right now (none of the open source softwares support it).
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post #4 of 14
6/26/11 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by bronsonbdevost View Post

Hey all, I currently have a Colormunki design, which I have been using with colorHCFR. I recently ordered the X2 + Calman package with a license for the Colormunki so I can profile the X2, total cost ~550, I have not yet received it.

I just noticed that X-rite has a new model, the display 3, coming out in July. I haven't seen anything saying that Calman will support that meter (in the very near future), so I guess I couldn't change my order from the Display 2 to the Display 3 with Calman.

If I were to cancel the order and switch to Cromapure, however, I don't believe they support the Colormunki design, so I wouldn't be able to profile the display 3 meter.

So my question is, should I stick with the X-rite display 2 - Colormunki design - Calman package, or would the X-rite display 3 - Chromapure package be a better choice even though it doesn't support my Colormunki for profiling?

I will be getting a Lumagen mini3D in the relatively near future, so some sort of automated interaction with that device would be very useful as well. I don't know whether Calman or Chromapure makes any real difference with this.

The "Chroma 6" will be released soon. You may be able to pre-order. Their forums said that possibly this Monday SpectraCal will make an official announcement on the i1 Disp 3 Pro (Chroma 6). If you want the new meter then cancel your order. Then wait for new bundle pricing.
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post #5 of 14
6/26/11 at 8:03am
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What? How did you use the ColorMunki Design with HCFR? As much as I know HCFR never supported these spectros because X-Rite didn't let them to officially support it and the development of that software have been practically discontinued already.

I think you talk about the ColorMunki Create which is the same old GretagMachbet hardware as the Eye One Display 2 or the i1LT (and many other OEM brand names...).

This new Display III sensor sounds very exciting but the software side seems problematic right now (none of the open source softwares support it).

I can see how this may be confusing, since HCFR doesn't support the ColorMunki spectrometer, but I got a special beta version from Thebes that I have been using. It does seem a bit buggy, and is probably a pain in the butt for the developers (I think they are using code from ArgyllCMS). If you ask nicely Thebes may be able to procure a beta copy for you, which does support the ColorMunki Photo/Design, but overall I think most of us will be migrating to closed source commercial applications, since the new automatic type calibration options are really too tempting.
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post #6 of 14
6/26/11 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by Jim HTPC View Post

The "Chroma 6" will be released soon. You may be able to pre-order. Their forums said that possibly this Monday SpectraCal will make an official announcement on the i1 Disp 3 Pro (Chroma 6). If you want the new meter then cancel your order. Then wait for new bundle pricing.

Thanks for the advice, I will probably go that route. I am worried, though, that the Spectracal offering will be much more expensive than the Chromapure package.

I guess that is the price I will have to pay if I want to be able to profile the D3 with my Colormunki spectrometer. It seems that Chromapure has no plans to support the Colormunki Photo/Design any time in the near future. I wrote them an email asking about it 3-4 months ago, and never got a reply...
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post #7 of 14
6/26/11 at 10:15am
Be patient. More information should be coming out this next week if reports are correct. For us ColorMunki Spectro owners, the D3 will be a nice addition. I would anticipate that pricing will be competitive with ChromaPure.
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post #8 of 14
6/26/11 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by bronsonbdevost View Post

Thanks for the advice, I will probably go that route. I am worried, though, that the Spectracal offering will be much more expensive than the Chromapure package.

They very well may be. At least SpectraCal is not charging retail prices like Sencore did. You have to decide which is best for you. The fact that both companies lock devices to their software doesn't excite me about either. For me it's the lessor of two evils. For me I want software to be functional and have a GUI interface that looks like it belongs in our century.
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post #9 of 14
6/27/11 at 6:15pm
I prefer ChromaPure software, support is great when needed, and the program is well laid out and easy to use. I have found the SpectraCal team slow to respond to emails and inquiries in pricing, too me the software packages are very similar, but I prefer ChromaPure. I think pro cal guys like some of the workflow customization and reporting features in CalMan, not really a concern for me.
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post #10 of 14
6/28/11 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by bronsonbdevost View Post

I can see how this may be confusing, since HCFR doesn't support the ColorMunki spectrometer, but I got a special beta version from Thebes that I have been using. It does seem a bit buggy, and is probably a pain in the butt for the developers (I think they are using code from ArgyllCMS). If you ask nicely Thebes may be able to procure a beta copy for you, which does support the ColorMunki Photo/Design, but overall I think most of us will be migrating to closed source commercial applications, since the new automatic type calibration options are really too tempting.

Well, I seriously though about buying this new X-Rite colorimeter with ChromaPure Standard as a bundled package.
It's a nice GUI which could make HDTV calibration a little bit easier for me and as much as I know Greame didn't even get a sample of this new sensor yet (so there is no ETA but I guess it could take months until ArgyllCMS will support these sensors, if ever...).

But I read their (Chromapure) license conditions and they managed to freak the sh@t out of me with this "price of adding additional sensors to your license" thing.

Damn, I already paid for the freaking sensor, and I almost paid for the software once. I won't pay another 100$ just to enable my ColorMunki which I only want to use for creating correction matrices for the colorimeter.
It's only 3 readings and a simple matrix calculation. I could calculate those matrices manually on a paper using a simple calculator. I just need the XYZ readings of the primaries from both sensors. HEY!!!! Sush....รกรกรกรก...
But despite how simple it is, the colorimeter won't be accurate on my PDP without this small step. So, it is essential and I should calculate with the +100$. I don't think I want it anymore.

This is nothing but... well, you know what it is....
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post #11 of 14
6/28/11 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by janos666 View Post

Well, I seriously though about buying this new X-Rite colorimeter with ChromaPure Standard as a bundled package.
It's a nice GUI which could make HDTV calibration a little bit easier for me and as much as I know Greame didn't even get a sample of this new sensor yet (so there is no ETA but I guess it could take months until ArgyllCMS will support these sensors, if ever...).

But I read their (Chromapure) license conditions and they managed to freak the sh@t out of me with this "price of adding additional sensors to your license" thing.

Damn, I already paid for the freaking sensor, and I almost paid for the software once. I won't pay another 100$ just to enable my ColorMunki which I only want to use for creating correction matrices for the colorimeter.
It's only 3 readings and a simple matrix calculation. I could calculate those matrices manually on a paper using a simple calculator. I just need the XYZ readings of the primaries from both sensors. HEY!!!! Sush....รกรกรกรก...
But despite how simple it is, the colorimeter won't be accurate on my PDP without this small step. So, it is essential and I should calculate with the +100$. I don't think I want it anymore.

This is nothing but... well, you know what it is....

Unless things changed ChromaPure does not support the ColorMunki.. that was an exclusive for SpectraCalc.... Tom was locked out.. maybe things have changed since then.
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post #12 of 14
6/29/11 at 11:00am
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This is the response I just got back from Spectracal:

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We have yet to announce anything regarding the new X-Rite meter, so please stay tune for that in the coming weeks. Rest assure that you got the best value with the calibration package you bought. With your ColorMunki and new X2, I think you are set.
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post #13 of 14
6/29/11 at 5:53pm
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A small gripe I have with Spectracal is that I ordered the X2 meter + software bundle on 6/18, but had received no word concerning shipment. Then after I sent an Email last night asking about the new x-rite colorimiter I got email stating what I posted above, and saying that my shipment went out yesterday morning.

I thought it odd that my shipment would go out hours before I inquired about it, so I checked the Fedex shipping info and it seemed to indicate that the shipment went out an hour after I sent my Email inquiring about it. I assume they messed up and didn't want to admit they forgot to send my package. I wish they would have been more honest about it, I'm very understanding, but this makes me more wary about the assertion the X2 is the best value (unless as people hint they plan on selling the display3 with a considerable markup).
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post #14 of 14
7/5/11 at 6:26pm
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Well, I just got my X2 and calman package today, in concert with the announcement of Spectracal's new package with the "Display 3". So I just wrote to them asking about returning my current order unopened and exchanging for the new model (+ whatever the cost difference is). I got a very quick reply that they will look into what can be done, so I remain hopeful. Spectracal has been very responsive in their emails, so getting this sorted out would put them at the top of my list in customer service and value.
I guess I had the misfortune of making my order at just the wrong time. Spectracal looks like it will be the way to go for us Colormunki photospectrometer folks.
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