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post #301 of 513
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Originally Posted by 3DNewb View Post

Remember this "Lg passive interlaced and checkerboard fixed, mostly!", hehe it was your post on Nvidia's forumns, seems they locked and closed it. IMO Nvidia is only alienating customers by not offering better solutions to people wanting to game on 3D TVs. I've always bought Nvidia since the 6000 series but for my next upgrade I'll being jumping over the fence to play in the grass on the other side. I do not recall anything offensive in your thread, someone must of hijacked it, dunno. Seems silly to close it vs editing it. http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s...&#entry1292425

I believe that by deleting the extension you can get 3dtvplay to work with the 3dvision emu , i seen somebody say that a few weeks ago in that thread.
post #302 of 513
Yes, it seems that any thread mentioning the emulator has been deleted, now that I've looked, so that was most likely the case with that thread. I really do not blame people that were using it, you see people posting that they've tried the 3DTV Play trial or bought it, and can't get it to work. 3DTV Play is still a mess, you see posts on it consistantly, where people ask what it takes to make it work. They need to sticky a clarification on it. Even the 3DTV Play FAQs are/were a mess. Even at that, I'm not sure it's worth the current price of $39.99 at it's gimped 3D solution now offered, hopefully it will improve. Thankfully it's free with my Nvidia emitter kit and I also got a free copy of Duke Nukem when I bought it.
post #303 of 513
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http://www.koreaherald.com/business/...20110908000804

RealD shutter is now being called active shutter instead of active retarder.
post #304 of 513
Very sexy, of course I'm refering to the monitor. Samsung calling this active shutter is just plain wrong and misleading. It will only lead to confusion, the same way that consumers are confused when you tell them that a "LED TV" is a "LCD TV", only with different back lighting. Lololol, the name of the technology was changed from active retarder to active shutter. I've loved all my Samsung products, starting with my first "Syncmaster", although a lil pricey they lasted.
post #305 of 513
I just read this, it clarified it a bit more for me, they're actually actively switching the panel. "According to the two, RDZ LCD HDTVs are compatible with the cheaper RealD glasses already in use in theaters, by making the panel itself an active switching LCD instead." http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/s...hutter-3d-int/
Seems like the LG would easily beat them on the "Estimated Yearly Energy Guide", but that would not be a factor for most, if the technology is better.
post #306 of 513
I remember reading about that (the "active shutter" screen) a couple of months ago when I was looking at getting my TV... one thing I'll say about that pic is that I don't like the circular base, it may suit certain setups but for me it would be uncomfortably out of place amongst my rectangular equipment. Perhaps just an OCD-ish quirkiness of mine...
post #307 of 513
This is amazing, lg are a bunch of numptys!
Thats 3 lg 3dtv's now i've had, ld950 passive, pz550 active, 450u passive.

All 3 have colour ghosting in checkerboard, both the passives allso have color ghosting in interlaced 3d!

Something i've noticed, not sure wether its because the 450u is a 40 and the ld950 was 47 but i cannot see the fpr screen when i'm on windows desktop where as i could see it on the ld950?
post #308 of 513
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Alright just got updated to the latest firmware 4.01.30

Good news,

The firmware algorithm that improves the resolution of the passive 3d is now working. The directions say to turn off trumotion to see the effects but they are wrong. You have to turn on the trumotion to see the improvement. It doesn't really matter whether low or high is used. The low activates it with the same quality level.

What is does is render additional lines to the screen, so lets say when you play a game that is already compressed like a Side by Side 1080 compressed to 540 and then again, it actually increases the detail of pictures finer details so it acts sort of like an upscaler to a higher resolution.

The best way to see the difference is to use just one eye or the left side of the lens paused on a 3D sequence with the frames in focus and not wavering with text and detail and turn on and off trumotion to see the effect it has on the pixels. This means that due to the image quality enhancements it performs per eye now, you are now no longer looking at 540 lines per eye anymore because the image quality has increased per eye. It is now a hybrid of 540 lines and 1080 lines per eye now over time.

The algorithm applies to all formats that are 3D using the remote 3D button. So it works on Side by Side, Checkerboard, and Frame-packing mode of BluRay 3Ds. It even works if you are using the PC label input which usually disables Trumotion but stays enabled with the new algorithm. It just doesn't work on 2D images, or Interleaving 3D images through 3D game drivers like IZ3D.

You can tell it is working because the edges of text become somewhat sharper, and texture details like the track on a 3d racing game from the foreground when transitioning to the background will appear more detailed instead of blurry and performs like free anisotropic filtering. The algorithm acts like a upscaler and edge enhancer. The algorithm doesn't clean up straight edges as well as IZ3D interleaved optimized algorithm, but what it does is make pixels that were easily seen now smooth out at 3 feet away with the glasses. This would be the biggest improvement that is easy to see, the ability to discern the pixels while watching 3D close up is now completely gone. The algorithm works better when using a low resolution 3D format like Side by Side due to compression. Since I don't have a PS3, I'm assuming it will improve texture and edges more when gaming in 720P 3D. The higher the quality of the 3D, the harder it is to see the improvements from my side.

For more info on this algorithm update go to
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1313938337

The next improvement is now Side by Side 3D has the same no lag delay just like PC label so gaming in Side by Side 3D has improved tremendously. I don't think it is faster than PC label, but at the same rate now instead of being slow.

The bad news is the firmware update has not fixed the Input lag resetting that occurs when switching 3D formats and back again cause the mouse to be slow. So the only way to fix it is to change the input label and back to PC to fix it.

The other bad news is the checkerboard ghosting is still present. Using test video 2 of Section II in my first post shows the red and blue colors are the only colors that fail now. The green color in checkerboard 98% passes. Still need some improvement for the red and blue colors to pass to certify checkerboard 3D.

This next part can change due to more testing from others but this is what I noticed:

The strange problem I noticed is Game mode and Standard mode without PC label ghost more in interleave with color ghosting. Adjusting sharpness alone does not fix the ghosting. To fix it, you have to use ISF expert to remove the color ghosting. There is no ghosting for me with PC label input just as before so this is what I continue to use with my sharpness values in my gaming guide.

Bottom line, the Firmware algorithm is a win for more detail and sharpness makes the appearance of pixels disappear per eye.

Fixed, to explain testing for this algorithm is easier to see in game because you don't need to pause any scene, just leave controls at neutral to see the improvements.
post #309 of 513
Just thought i'd wrote this but must not of presed post doh!

Phoned lg up about the black bars on each side of screen on a 42lw450u in 2d-3d conversion mode and asked for a firmware.
At the end of the phone call i after the rep was talking out her ass asking me things todo with pc when i was saying it had nothing todo with pc we found out she thought i was on about teh ld950 that was registered, lol i had'nt registered the 450u so 20min on phone for nothing, she did however confirm to me after i told her about all 3 lg sets i had had had the checkerboard colourbug and she said they knew about it and was trying to fix it, different reps different stories.

Anybody know where to get firmware from for 42lw450u?
I'm on 04.60.10
post #310 of 513
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What happens when you play a game in 3D and turn trumotion on and off? Do you see a difference with the left lens?

My firmware just updated itself when I went to the update section.

I tried taking a picture of the 1080 algorithm and could see no difference. That's when I realized this was happening over 1/120 seconds per eye. No way to see it in a still image.
post #311 of 513
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Originally Posted by skyguy3d View Post

What happens when you play a game in 3D and turn trumotion on and off? Do you see a difference with the left lens?

My firmware just updated itself when I went to the update section.

I tried taking a picture of the 1080 algorithm and could see no difference. That's when I realized this was happening over 1/120 seconds per eye. No way to see it in a still image.

It's still greyed out for me as i'm on old firmware!

Wow this just gets stranger and stranger.

The edid fix that worked perfect for me as you all seen in my pics no longer works with this lw42450u allthough it is a different issue now.
Colour ghosting has gone with the edid fix but now i'm left with what looks like a clear crosstalk image on either side , is this the greyscale ghosting?

Just called lg again after i registered my 40lw450u and they guy is sending the firmware to fix the black bars on 2d-3d conversion, he allso confirmed that when they fix the checkerboard and interlaced issue they will be able to send that out to me on a disc, 2 calls, 2 confirmations of the bug from lg reps, things are looking up.

Lol i think i said " are you aware that nobody in the world has confirmed checkerboard or interlaced tobe working correctly " to which they both replied " yes " !

Edit

I now know that the edid fix that worked so well for me nevr worked for any of you cos i have a 2011 lg passive and it no longer works hahaha what a ball ache!
post #312 of 513
never thought about the lg forum over at avforums untill i got this new set and found it.
post has been submitted, lets see if a rep can give us some solid info on the issue.
http://www.avforums.com/forums/lg-fo...-lg-3dtvs.html

if you have the issue i strongly suggest going to the avforum link and adding yourself to the thread, it is a lg forum with lg reps.
post #313 of 513
Next time you talk to LG, tell them to contact and tell Nvidia to support interlaced and checkerboard for these TVs at 1080P 60
post #314 of 513
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Originally Posted by 3DNewb View Post

Next time you talk to LG, tell them to contact and tell Nvidia to support interlaced and checkerboard for these TVs at 1080P 60

Lol
it do'nt matter anyway untill lg have fixed the bugs.
post #315 of 513
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Hi Butmuncher,

Even after pressing the 3D button to activate Side by Side you don't see trumotion? Also, you said that 3dtv play 720p frame-packing is good as 1080P, how does it compare to Interleave at 1080P? Yes, I will join the AV Forum to spread the 3D love.

It's true though, Toshiba queried Nvidia to implement pending autostereoscopic support for their glasses free Qosmio laptop so if they can do it, then LG needs to push for interleave for their side. LG is a big company and needs to be aware that their tv works for gaming for Large screen TV users, they probably don't even know the advantages of Passive 3D 1080 gaming with no 3d processing, low input lag, all pixels always activated to both eyes at the same time for HD viewing, maximum gaming refresh rate at steady 60 fps at the native 1080 resolution for instantaneous response and no black frame insertion for long session duration viewing.

Or maybe they do know, but I'm sure I want them to know
post #316 of 513
I think most LG techs are old school and think that PC gaming is done on a monitor. LG has worked with TriDef for passive display support, in fact there is a page for specific downloads supporting the LG monitors as well as for their monitor/tv hybrids. http://tridef.com/download/TriDef-3D...-TV-1.2.3.html Yet the love doesn't seem to be on the TV side. You download the regular TriDef and the LG TVs are not recognized or listed in the drop down menu.
post #317 of 513
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Originally Posted by skyguy3d View Post

Hi Butmuncher,

Even after pressing the 3D button to activate Side by Side you don't see trumotion? Also, you said that 3dtv play 720p frame-packing is good as 1080P, how does it compare to Interleave at 1080P? Yes, I will join the AV Forum to spread the 3D love.

It's true though, Toshiba queried Nvidia to implement pending autostereoscopic support for their glasses free Qosmio laptop so if they can do it, then LG needs to push for interleave for their side. LG is a big company and needs to be aware that their tv works for gaming for Large screen TV users, they probably don't even know the advantages of Passive 3D 1080 gaming with no 3d processing, low input lag, all pixels always activated to both eyes at the same time for HD viewing, maximum gaming refresh rate at steady 60 fps at the native 1080 resolution for instantaneous response and no black frame insertion for long session duration viewing.

Or maybe they do know, but I'm sure I want them to know

Interleaved 1080p 3d made me crap my pants, it looked so much better than 1080p on the ld950, i'm really happy.

And as my edid fix no longer works on this model then i do'nt use interleaved anyway, just sbs, well the fix does work which removes colour ghosting but io'm left with a clear type of ghosting instead that only affects the same areas as the colourbug. that was'nt there on the ld950, same fix different outcome, looks alot better than without the fix though than without it but its not a 100% cure like it was for the ld950.

EDIT

Just tried my edid fix again and allthough it was miles better it still was'nt perfect so i had'nt bothered with changing any settings due to i'd done everything possible on the ld950 and nothing changed so i just tested, garbage and turned it off.

With the edid fix i now have nearly 100% working interleaved 3d , it's ahell of alot more usable than the quick test i done.

Fix for me to stop 99% of the clear ghosting was to rename my pc input from input to anything else and then pressing te avbutton on the controller until you have the game setting!
This way of fixing it 100% never worked on the ld950, sadly though checkerboard still shows the colour bug!

I have 100% no colourbug in interleaved aswell as no clear shadows that replaced the colourbug!
post #318 of 513
Hey Butmuncher

If I understand what you're saying correctly, then you're using similar settings to me... I have the input label as Game, and also have the AV setting as Game. With these options I have almost no ghosting (though it is still noticeable).

If your screen is working like mine then your Sharpness setting is at 50 and adjusting either up or down from there, even just changing to 49 or 51, will noticeably increase your ghosting. Sharpness of 50 seems to be some kind of sweet spot.

I'll have to try out that new firmware if it's available for my model and see if I can get a nice over/under picture without input lag, as skyguy said they'd make progress on it for sbs... I still much prefer the convenience of interleaved output though, so I guess it's promising to hear that their support team are aware of ghosting issues with it (though I must admit to some cynicism around getting a fix soon).

Cheers
post #319 of 513
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Hey Butmuncher

If I understand what you're saying correctly, then you're using similar settings to me... I have the input label as Game, and also have the AV setting as Game. With these options I have almost no ghosting (though it is still noticeable).

If your screen is working like mine then your Sharpness setting is at 50 and adjusting either up or down from there, even just changing to 49 or 51, will noticeably increase your ghosting. Sharpness of 50 seems to be some kind of sweet spot.

I'll have to try out that new firmware if it's available for my model and see if I can get a nice over/under picture without input lag, as skyguy said they'd make progress on it for sbs... I still much prefer the convenience of interleaved output though, so I guess it's promising to hear that their support team are aware of ghosting issues with it (though I must admit to some cynicism around getting a fix soon).

Cheers

Dno why i make up all these mad %, just suppose thats what i think hehe

Hi dude,
With this tv i have the same issues as i did with my 2010 passive, colourbug in interleaved and checkerboard.

But, with a modified edid with the extension bloc delted i get 95% nearly perfect 3d in interleaved, there is zero colourbug just like my ld950, only problem is is that 5% is a different type of ghosting, instead of it being coloured it is now very clear and only just seeable and in the same type of places the colourbug was in so its not full screen ghosting,allso note that in some places where there was colour ghosting there is none at all, the colours are no longer present and this new type of ghosting is'nt there in sbs, o/u, frequency or hdmi 1.4 framepacking
Still with the fix checkerboard has same issue, full on colourbugs.

The fix that worked 100% for me on a ld950 works 99% on a 42lw450u, and lets say that interleaved only works about 50% without the edid mod, thats a massive improvement still.
I would'nt be able to play interleaved without the fix, theres too much nastyness going on, gaming has tobe perfect


Skyguy3d my motion settings arent visable in 3d

same old fix, new 2011 42lw450u, as you can see something major happens with the fix that only seems to work for me lol

Notice how with the fix the text is the right colour, it's blue and not a dark red colour!
Pictures are through right lense of a passive set of glasses
without fix, affects checkerboard and interlaced no matter what settings are changed.



Fixed interlaced with a modified edid with the extension bloc deleted, this then stops hdmi 1.4 frame packing from working as the edid no longer contains any hdmi 1.4 info., allso allthough the colour ghosting and clear ghosting has been fixed there is still more ghosting in interlaced than with sbs so there is still a problem.

post #320 of 513
GL with the Plasma TV if you keep it, I could never own one due to the stories of having to babysit them or else you'll end up with "burn in". Way too often I've fallen asleep with the TV on. Anyways I've downloaded the lastest firmware revision, good news is that rewatching some of my Blu-ray 3D movies I've noticed a great improvement, such as finer details are much clearer. The verdict is still out on gaming, the lag is improved. Yes, you must have trumotion on and the lines while not prevalent before, virtually disappear. Objects in the distance are much clearer. But I'm finding it a lil more work to get the correct in-game settings for a comfortable experience. Skyguy3D where are the instructions that you mention?
post #321 of 513
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For my 55LW5600,

The fastest numbers to retrieve that are still working with the 4.01.30 firmware actually are still from my passive guide http://forum.iz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5205

I'll working to optimize an additional set for people that don't use PC label and send it out later just so they can compare.

Also this page is good for adjusting stereo3d settings http://www.mtbs3d.com/index.php?opti...d=98&showall=1
post #322 of 513
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Steam is selling Sonic all stars racing this weekend for 50% off which is $10. This has 4 player splitscreen racing and is one of the best examples of popout and depth in a racing game with no 3d artifacts.

I also have some 3D settings for IZ3D that work very well in this game so you can do some comparisons.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/34190
post #323 of 513
Cool.

I could understand my fix only working for me when everybody here has 2011 3dtv's but now i have a 2011 3dtv with the same bugs as a 2010 tv and my edid fix fixes these bugs allthough the newer tv did need 4 settings changed from stock.
Now have interleaved working 100% with no colourbug and no clear ghosting but only with a modified edid, obviously for me a stock edid gives colourghosting.
3d quality is now the same as all the other working 3d options, perfect.

The clear ghosting i was left with that only showed on somethings was fixed by using isf.expert and setting

H Sharpness 34
V Sharpness 55

No other setting was changed, pc input was blank and game mode was on using the av button on controller.
My ld950 needed no settings changed to show perfect interleaved, this 42lw450u did!
Try my settings if you cannot get rid of the ghosting, it has worked on 2 different models for me.

Needed

Edid fix ( unless you allready have a fixed 3dtv firmware then you will need no edid fix ) from first page or make your own, extension bloc has tobe deleted, install it, you will know if you are installing the inf correctly as it will ask for your permission as it's not a signed driver and your hdmi 1.4 won't work untill you de-install the monitor and then you can scan for new hardware and your hdmi 1.4 will be working again. It is better to make your own modified edid as you will still have some info left inside for your specific 3dtv, if you are finding it hard then just upload the edid and i'll do it for you.

Hdmi input name, leave blank or whatever, long as it's not on PC your ok.


Pick ISF expert mode in the tv's settings.

Change the sharpness settings on tv to
H Sharpness 34
V Sharpness 55

I'd love to see somebody post some pics up off perfect interleaved like i can, i'm starting to feel lonely



Perfect edid fixed interleaved with no clear ghosting or colourbugs, 100% happy with the image so for me it's fixed.



Pictures are through right lense of a passive set of glasses
without fix, affects checkerboard and interlaced no matter what settings are changed.



Fixed interlaced with a modified edid with the extension bloc deleted, this then stops hdmi 1.4 frame packing from working as the edid no longer contains any hdmi 1.4 info., allso allthough the colour ghosting and clear ghosting has been fixed there is still more ghosting in interlaced than with sbs so there is still a problem.

post #324 of 513
Looks like LG has more competition in the passive monitor category. Acer recently announced that they are releasing a new 23-inch Passive 3D LCD Monitor the Acer GR235H. Their 27 inch 120Hz monitor for use with active shutter glasses is a LG panel, so this will likely be LG as well. Unfortuneately it will not have a DVI connection, I say this because the DVI connection on the D2342P provided the best ghost free experience. But that may have been due to the HDMI extension as well. I recall tailslol posting about results of better 3D gaming using the LG monitor with your EDID. I do like the wide sides on their glasses, l get a lot of glare on mine, so I had to rig some blinders on them. http://3dvision-blog.com/acer-gr235h...d-lcd-monitor/

There was also mention of another passive 3D monitor the Mitsubishi Diamondcrysta RDT233WX Passive 3D Monitor With IPS Panel
http://3dvision-blog.com/mitsubishi-...ith-ips-panel/
post #325 of 513
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Originally Posted by skyguy3d View Post

Steam is selling Sonic all stars racing this weekend for 50% off which is $10. This has 4 player splitscreen racing and is one of the best examples of popout and depth in a racing game with no 3d artifacts.

I also have some 3D settings for IZ3D that work very well in this game so you can do some comparisons.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/34190


Who doesn't love Sonic? Sonic gameplay in 3Dstereo is icing on the cake I've read a post about a gamer playing Sonic Adventure 2 in 3D. He says "To me this is the coolest effect I've seen yet in 3D, the final level in that game is the most impressive you will see." Here's a link to the thread as well as one for the Youtube video the gamer made. http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=204439 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bf0F8plnmY

Also announced on the Sega Blog is a rerelease of the 1993 classic "Sonic CD", available for multiple platforms . http://blogs.sega.com/2011/08/25/seg...-cd-announced/
post #326 of 513
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Originally Posted by Butmuncher View Post

Cool.

I could understand my fix only working for me when everybody here has 2011 3dtv's but now i have a 2011 3dtv with the same bugs as a 2010 tv and my edid fix fixes these bugs allthough the newer tv did need 4 settings changed from stock.
Now have interleaved working 100% with no colourbug and no clear ghosting but only with a modified edid, obviously for me a stock edid gives colourghosting.
3d quality is now the same as all the other working 3d options, perfect.

The clear ghosting i was left with that only showed on somethings was fixed by using isf.expert and setting

H Sharpness 34
V Sharpness 55

No other setting was changed, pc input was blank and game mode was on using the av button on controller.
My ld950 needed no settings changed to show perfect interleaved, this 42lw450u did!
Try my settings if you cannot get rid of the ghosting, it has worked on 2 different models for me.

Needed

Edid fix from first page or make your own, extension bloc has tobe deleted, install it, you will know if you are installing the inf correctly as it will ask for your permission as it's not a signed driver and your hdmi 1.4 won't work untill you de-install the monitor and then you can scan for new hardware and your hdmi 1.4 will be working again. It is better to make your own modified edid as you will still have some info left inside for your specific 3dtv, if you are finding it hard then just upload the edid and i'll do it for you.

Hdmi input name, leave blank or whatever, long as it's not on PC your ok.

Press av button on tv controller untill you are in game mode

Pick ISF expert mode in the tv's settings.

Change the sharpness settings on tv to
H Sharpness 34
V Sharpness 55

I'd love to see somebody post some pics up off perfect interleaved like i can, i'm starting to feel lonely

I'm not using an EDID fix, and have no colour ghosting on my screen in interleaved but I do see the minimal "clear ghosting" similar to what you showed. I haven't fiddled with horizontal and vertical sharpness independently, just the standard sharpness control where I get best results at an even 50. Next time I get a chance I'm going to tweak those individual sharpness settings and see if I can remove that ghosting completely like you have.

I'm a little confused though, I thought when you used the AV button that you were changing your TV settings just as if you did it in the menu, i.e. if you select Game with the AV button then you're no longer using ISF expert as the two are different settings... but you're saying that when you select Game with the AV button then your ISF settings are still working? I'll give it a go anyway, if it works and doesn't introduce input lag again then I'll be happy.

Cheers
post #327 of 513
Thanks for pionting that out Zaphodalive, i fix my own issues but my smoking brain gets confused when trying to get things out, lol, bumble brains

So got confused and put game mode in there, thats related to pc input as there are proccessing artifacts that only game mode cures with the hdmi named as pc input on my 3dtv.
Spent hours on dirt 3 online last night without the slightest ghost.
i wonder if some firmwares have been fixed that has interleaved working now, i'm waiting for a firmware disc in post from lg so i'll be able to test that theory soon as i'm still on old firmware.

Scrub the av mode
post #328 of 513
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Originally Posted by Butmuncher View Post

Thanks for pionting that out Zaphodalive, i fix my own issues but my smoking brain gets confused when trying to get things out, lol, bumble brains

So got confused and put game mode in there, thats related to pc input as there are proccessing artifacts that only game mode cures with the hdmi named as pc input on my 3dtv.
Spent hours on dirt 3 online last night without the slightest ghost.
i wonder if some firmwares have been fixed that has interleaved working now, i'm waiting for a firmware disc in post from lg so i'll be able to test that theory soon as i'm still on old firmware.

Scrub the av mode

Ok well I fiddled with my settings today, and I was able to get a significant improvement in the ghosting using ISF expert mode, though unfortunately I got a slight increase in input lag - not as bad as using the TVs 3D modes, but noticeable. I'll have to test out WoW when I've got a bit more time to see whether or not it annoys me too much when moving the mouse cursor, but for typical gaming it would be a non-issue.

To do my testing I used the Tridef test image which I displayed in Stereoscopic Player. What I found was:
- adjusting Horizontal Sharpness had no noticeable impact on the ghosting (so I left it at 50)
- adjusting Vertical Sharpness anywhere from 55-59 got me really damn close to no ghosting whatsoever. If you look really hard (and I mean REALLY hard) then you can still just see a ghost image, but it's so slight that you may as well consider it gone.

It's worth mentioning that it could just be the quality of the passive glasses that allow me to make out the ghosting - I'm not sure. I watched a small segment of Legend of the Guardians after adjusting the settings, and it was a MUCH better picture than when I watched it a couple of weeks ago - practically flawless.

I'm 99.9% happy with the interleaved image now, hopefully LG can get rid of the input lag as well and I'll be all smiles

Cheers
post #329 of 513
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Originally Posted by zaphodalive View Post

Ok well I fiddled with my settings today, and I was able to get a significant improvement in the ghosting using ISF expert mode, though unfortunately I got a slight increase in input lag - not as bad as using the TVs 3D modes, but noticeable. I'll have to test out WoW when I've got a bit more time to see whether or not it annoys me too much when moving the mouse cursor, but for typical gaming it would be a non-issue.

To do my testing I used the Tridef test image which I displayed in Stereoscopic Player. What I found was:
- adjusting Horizontal Sharpness had no noticeable impact on the ghosting (so I left it at 50)
- adjusting Vertical Sharpness anywhere from 55-59 got me really damn close to no ghosting whatsoever. If you look really hard (and I mean REALLY hard) then you can still just see a ghost image, but it's so slight that you may as well consider it gone.

It's worth mentioning that it could just be the quality of the passive glasses that allow me to make out the ghosting - I'm not sure. I watched a small segment of Legend of the Guardians after adjusting the settings, and it was a MUCH better picture than when I watched it a couple of weeks ago - practically flawless.

I'm 99.9% happy with the interleaved image now, hopefully LG can get rid of the input lag as well and I'll be all smiles

Cheers

I too was left with that very tiny bit of clear ghosting left, i managed to totally 100% free myself of it by going to 29 on h sharpness, it is perfect for me but like you say now pc mode is off we have lag that is easily noticable by way of moving the mouse around the screen.
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Also I found out the new 4.01.30 firmware changed it's frame-packing detection routine so now it bypasses the 3d warning message and goes directly into 3d now without having to press the ok confirmation button.

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Originally Posted by sonagi1972 View Post

having problems here....... main menu kept saying new firmware updated. New firmware somehow also made my ps3 to not reconize any of 3d movies or games. . Tried to play Shrek 3d and it only plays as 2d with just 2d-3d convert option and same for COD black op. Killzone3 says no 3d TV detected.. Anyone having same issues?? Please help.

It's this quote that makes your thoughts butmuncher about the edid being bugged somehow and making people get there 3d modes not set properly. My guess is with the inf showing a reserved extension block has to do with with LG updating their EDID for compatibility with blu-ray players and this has some negative effects on how it is now read through the PS3 and how it could affect the PC HDMI output.

Still, someone with better knowledge of the EDID would be helpful.
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