Passive FPR 3D ghosting problems in Interlace and Checkerboard - Page 13

Just installed xp, good news and bad, the good is that the extension bloc showed as it should, it showed all the 3d things and timings ect, bad news is it did'nt make any difference at all, still had bug in interleaved and checkerboard, i really did think i was onto something when i had a look at moninfo after installing xp, bugger!

Image shows xp and as you can see i'm on registry-active and have a full extension bloc showing, vista or windows 7 shows unknown for me.

Another dead end, there's nothing we can do i'm starting to think, the problem is on lg's side but i was hoping we could fix this issue.

skyguy3d, tried a game with small 3d text but i could'nt tell the difference with trumotion on or off, text appeared exactly the same

Just been in touch with lg again, what a bunch of jokers.
In relation to them fixing the checkerboard issue...

They say they have never heard of it and again blamed my system, they said who ever i spoke to before said they was probly aware of the colourbug as they would of been reading my tech info but their techs or any lg reps say they have never heard of this issue, how hard can it be for them to plug a 3d pc into a 3dtv and then find away to fix the issue.

I was given a compliants email so now i'm complaining again, it's getting boring now!

cic.uk@lge.com

And! There's no clear ghosting in interleaved. We all need our eyes checked.
One thing that annoys me is lack of patch notes and no option to roll back drivers if the results presented are less than optimal.

I know, i've done too much phoning and online chat, it's getting nowhere!
We do need patch notes with a firmware upgrade, without notes we know nothing at all!

Shannon dowsing at inition has not replied to any of my emails asking for a update ect on lg korea either, is it a conspiracy?

I didn't realize that you can change the way Nvidia reports to the display. Via the control panel, under adjust desktop color settings, there's a place to select "Content type reported to the display:" So effectively when you open a game the TV thinks it still seeing the desktop, so it doesn't apply processing as it does when a full screen video is reported. Along with something like Lut Manager or maybe even windows color management maybe the ghosting can be reduced a little more, may help with lag also? dunno, gotta hit the road, I'll try later if back in time.

I've noticed that checkerboard has it's own locked settings in 3d mode, you can test this by putting sharpness to max or min, in checkerboard mode you will see it resort back to whatever it's checkerboard preset is, but the other 3d modes keep the sharpness settings.
Using sharpness to test really does show what i mean, just set, game or cinema AV to max sharpness and then press 3d button, sbs material stays with the too much sharpness setting where as it makes no affect on checkerbpoard at all, this is another thing that screams that it's a lg issue that they need to fix.
You will need to press the av button on controller to select the av mode that you increased the sharpness with.

As was said many moons by skyguy3d, lg have'nt calibrated there checkerboard correctly, there can't be any other reason, i've done loads and loads of testing with allsorts and everything for months now, allways get another idea and that idea allways comes out worthless, can we fix through our pc's what lg need to fix in there firmware, i very much dougbt it.

It all leads nowhere, i've lost heart in a fix being made by a user now, the problem really is lg's.

Edit

lg compaints replied same day, they have escalated the issue to management headquarters so hopefully somebody will phone me, i mentioned that it was my first email to complaints and any corespondence they send back would likely be passed along to watchdog uk and trading standards as i had allready reported the issue as i was getting nowhere with lg phone/internet chat.

It's time we all banded up and got complaints sent to the correct email addresses as we are getting nowhere with the general lg reps, you will need to ask in your emails to have your issue escalated to management as you have gotten nowhere with general lg reps.

I personally think we are past the piont of self help, no piont in calling lg anymore about our specific 3dtv checkerboard issues, i'd say any private talks you have with lg must be complaints, compliant departments have researchers that have to look into our compaints.

Yes that's the email

Trumotion is greyed out in pc mode

Unfortunately I'm returning my TV due to a stuck pixel and being in the 30 day window. I'm going opt for a refund at this time and await further developments with the ghosting issues. Of interest, I found this in the Nvidia patch notes "With GeForce 8 Series and later graphics cards, the Image sharpening slider on the NVIDIA Control Panel‐> Display‐>Adjust Desktop Color Settings page is grayed out. This control is intentionally disabled because image sharpening is not supported on GeForce 8 series and later GPUs. Also of note was a for firmware rollback option that may or may not work. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post20756984 Also kind of weird, I was either really tired last night or Nvidia 3DTV Play was in interleaved format.

I have a solution to nvidia checkerboard 1080p, do'nt use it, use nvidia interleaved 3d instead at 1080p/60hz.

I'll leave it for you to work out!

Hi,
I have'nt a clue about linux so i come here asking for somebodys time and effort, i'd be really gratefull of some help.
I need the following firmware unpacking but i do'nt do'nt understand linux and would'nt have a clue how to go about starting teh python script up.

here is the link to the script http://openlgtv.org.ru/wiki/index.ph...e_unpack_tools
and here is the firmware http://www.lg.com/uk/support/product...oduct-profile#

I'd be really happy if somebody could unpack this for me and upload it.
thankyou.

I found this in a Windows version, hope it helps you.

LG firmware unpack tool
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is permanent place for new releases of LG TVs firmware unpack tool.

Current release version - 2.00.


http://www.lg-hack.info/cgi-bin/sn_f...pg=1&sc=20&x=0

Typically this is due to a timing issue. Timing issues creep in if the source device (cable box) up-converts material from 720p to 1080i. My Comcast cable box (it supports 3D) does this if you set it to upconvert everything to 1080i. ESPN3D is a 720p stream ... and upconverting it to 1080i prior to sending it to the TV ... messes up the timing. So I leave it in Native mode (no upconversion).

I have a brand new 55lw5600 I bought last week. I've read through most of this thread.... tried installing modified .inf files, tried using vga instead of hdmi, but so far no luck at all in getting interleaved to work properly. Even switching to vga did nothing to lessen the crosstalk in interleaved mode.

Side by side looks great
I'm running an nvidia gtx 590 with current drivers (280.26) I've tried the interleaved modes in tridef, iz3d, powerdvd 11, and TotalMedia Theatre 5. All result in unwatchable crosstalk. In side by side, crosstalk is virtually undetectable unless you're looking for it.


Any ideas?

I've clicked a few things but i'm scared to change this just incase but its new info!
This is from the service menu
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/B...7935.10%3Bwap2
[quote]
Country Group settings region of sale (there nothing pipajte!!!)
ADC Calibration-kalibroka at the entrances (and status of the calibration)
If White and 10 Point WB-something about white balance)
Test Pattern-regular dressings ' screen with basic colors
EDID-ENABLED D/L-resetvane of information (can be useful if your television is determined to be wrong from your computer)Sub B/C-setting brightness/contrast
V-Com-Setup reference voltage controller matrix (NOT PIPAJTE!!!!)
P-Gamma settings-parental surveillance(2). InStart

Notice the red text!
Need info on this.

While looking for a solution for a needed codec I ran across a website that is a tutorial for Linux beginners.

Beginning Linux http://www.linuxgeek.net/beginners/

Plus other sites

http://oreilly.com/linux/command-directory/

http://www.linuxcommand.org/lts0040.php

http://www.linuxquestions.org/

Has anybody tested checkerboard and interleaved using a amd 4000 series or gtx200 series over component yet?

I am trying this configuration and cannot get display on my monitor. All I get is a black back lit screen. It is connecting since the blue light is solid but it is like it is getting the wrong resolution. This happens from startup at bios. If i disconnect the hdmi and boot connected to dvi. Turn the amp off and then connect hdmi I sometimes get video. I have tried multiple things and nothings seems to fix it. Changed resolution and monitor settings doesn't help.

I am thinking it is passing an invalid resolution but using the same setup to a ps3 or xbox 360 works fine for 3d. No black screens...I always get a pricture right away.

I am using latest AMD catalyst 11.9. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I'm a little confused as to what you are saying. Are you saying you are using a component connection, like in Butmuncher's pic?

If you are talking about a HDMI connection that you are running through a receiver, then it sounds like a HDMI handshake issue. http://www.hdcabling.co.za/hdcp_hdmi...guidelines.php

The article above mentions for LG displays

Press the menu button on the TV Unit for 60 Seconds OR Press Both Remote & TV Menu Buttons together for 60 Seconds

Maybe your monitor has a similar function? call tech support?

You could use a HDMI switcher with Toslink out to the receiver (make sure it's 3D compatible)

Just had 2 guys from Celistica here which are lg repair people.
Only one could confirm the colourbug as the other was blind and could'nt use the glasses, bless him.
But the dude that did the testing took pictures of sbs contenet looking 100% perfect and Interleaved/checkerboard looking not 100% perfect, all bad images will show up on his phone .
Sadly there was nothing they could do, they did a few things like reset edid, adc calibration.
The info they took with them will now be passed along to whoever and i will recieve a call shortly, i it's not a great call then i'll ask to escalate this further and ask for another technition but this time one with alot of 3dtv experience.
The dudes tried there best, they could see the faulty 3d options and that's what i needed as an engineer can now confirm the same content that works for sbs, o/u, frequency does'nt work for checkerboard or interleaved 3d.

Bummer.
Have you had an engineer out yet to view the bug?
If not try calling lg and asking for it tobe escalated over the phone and then get a lg engineer booked in, just an idea.

I'm going to leave it another week and then phone lg and if i'm not happy i'm going to escalate this further and ask for a real lg technition to visit, i'll show him the options not working correctly then take my pc and the engineer a few streets away to a friends with a sammy and show him the same pc with working checkerboard and interleaved as sammy has 30hz interleaved 3d , beyond that there's nothing that can be done possibly.
Obviously this is assuming when i speak to lg again they deny they have a issue, there can't be anymore solid proof than a side by side test with a sammy 3d.

This idea has been playing on my mind recently.
1 thing i need reminding of though, skyhuy3d you and your fellow ntsc ( non european tv's ) do'nt have the colour ghosting in interleaved that you do in checkerboard???

if that is correct then it's only european models which have the same model name as uk lg 3dtv's that have the same colour ghosting in interleaved and checkerboard and for only these tv's the edid fix works to remove colour ghosting for interleaved only.

Now if uk models have interleaved and checkerboard colourghosting and ntsc or models like the 5600 ( which is'nt a uk model ) have clear ghosting in interleaved which can be fixed via isf and colourghosting in checkerboard then this means something, i have'nt a clue what but i'm sure there are clues in our words and ideas.

Have the coulorbug for both 3d options is crazy, even crazier for uk tv's is the fact that we have the same colour ghosting in interleaved as we do for checkerboard with a stock edid.
Now if using interleaved the tv has no idea we are even in 3d mode as we do'nt use a 3d scaling option and in this native 3d mode uk users have a colourbug that is fixed with the edid mod, this possibly relates to dodgy edid timings/extensionbloc as without that extension block uk users now have working interleaved with no colourbug.

Now this is what gets me.

2 3d options have same colourbug, to cure 1 colourbug i use a modded edid but this then deletes all the info for the edids 3d which my guesing allso holds the info for checkerboard, over under ect.
Small quote showing some of the things that are deleted with a deleted extension bloc.

Surely this means lg either has the wrong edid data for interleaved and checkerboard, the 2 3d options have the exact same bug.

All the other 3d options work even with a deleted bloc, the tv switches into it's 3d mode and does the correct scaling for whatever 3d it's using.

Well that's what i've been thinking but i may be miles from the truth.

Allso if a sammy can play checkerboard and we can't even with a sammy edid overide then that rules out us being able to modify a edid to work with the correct timings as the sammy edid would of had the correct timings ect ????

I think this screams for a lg 3d calibration that only lg can do.
Untill we can get them to test with a pc i do'nt think we will get anywhere, they obviously must of tested all the 3d options before releasing the 3dtv's, or did they just think, not perfect but good enough lets roll out these faulty 3dtv's!

lol double post sorry.
But i'll add something new anyway

Just found a way to reverse the eye correction for 3dvisions interleaved
Shame vga has clear ghosting for me which is related to no sharpness settings being usable over vga with my 42lw450u, lol even worse is that vga worked perfect for interleaved with no mods or sharpness changing on that lg ld950 i had arghhh damn you lg.

1. Use a vga connection.
2. Start your 3d game and have a 3d image on screen so you can see the depth change!
3. Goto the tv's picture settings and go down to the bottom and select " screen ".
4. Select move screen and move it up or down untill the depth changes all at once
5. enjoy your game if you do'nt have clear ghosting .

Hi guys, I am testing out the LG 23" D2342P 3D monitor and I noticed this very annoying 'bug', that is, when you connect the monitor using a VGA cable only and use side-by-side mode (the only mode available in this case), ghosting is there but at an acceptable level, and it doesn't interfere much with experiencing 3D.

However, when connecting the monitor using HDMI - HDMI connection, ghosting is so profound and annoying that it even interferes with 3D perception.

This happens with the Tridef driver provided as is on the LG disc that comes with the monitor.
I have fiddled around with the TrifDef software but it seems the software recognize the 3D mode used using HDMI (line interleaved) automatically, I also tried to changed 3D modes using the monitor options to no avail (the picture just got messed up in wrong modes), and the 3D depth option in the TriDef software.

Could somebody provides some insights as per a successful setup for the LG D2342P? I am really interested in buying this monitor and it saddens me to see this bug.