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post #151 of 288
There's also a review on Amazon where a reviewer states the 3D-XL worked with their Qumi. Vitek on Facebook stated there was no 3D support via HDMI on the Qumi, I assume they added the support via firmware in later manufactured units.

Previous Qumi owner's (2 posters) were successful using a HDFury 2 to convert HDMI to analog and connected the 3D-XL into the vga in of the Qumi.

The PLED is DLP Link compatible, this happens when you turn 3D on. The projector takes the incoming signal, then syncs an outgoing DLP Link signal that is bounce of the screen to the glasses as a white flash.

In fact, when I use Nvidia 3D Vision, I have 3D turned off, to disable the white flashes from the DLP Link operation. Then I can use the Nvidia IR glasses to game. <-----But DLP Link glasses actually provide better color reproduction with this projector, so I normally turn 3D on in the menu to enable DLP Link. And Yes, you can use IR and DLP Link glasses at the same time with varying amounts of success. When using both at once, the one using IR glasses may get a small amount of picture wash because of the DLP Link white flash which may show up as red artifacts as well.

Here's an explanation of how DLP Link works. http://www.dlp.com/projector/dlp-inn.../dlp-link.aspx

Gaming was done via the VGA connection.
post #152 of 288
I've also have been trying the 3D-XL unsuccessfully and am awaiting new cables before sending it back. When contacting Viewsonic support, their stance was, "it works with the VP3D1, don't know what to tell you, the 3D-XL is not our product and we offer no support for it". Hmm really? but it is your projector!! Oh well.

Contacting Optoma support was a little better, they responded saying well we've no idea if it will work with the PLED-W500. I told him that it's listed as 3D Ready, (meaning that with the addition of a 3D converter the PJ can be used with additional devices that output SBS, FP and TNB formats) and that a Viewsonic Tech Rep confirmed that it worked with the VP3D1 and outputted 1280x720P. I told him that theoretically if it worked with the VP3D1, surely it should work with the 3D-XL, since they are basically the same thing. I asked him if there were any subsequent firmware releases that improved compatibility with projectors from other manufacturers. He replied that the only firmware updates were to improve the picture quality of the Top and Bottom format when used with cable boxes.

When I set up the PS3, it will only enable 3D when using the automatic detection. It detects 720P 3D as well as 1080P 3D, you can not simply select only 720P to be output. If you try the manual set up, you can not enable 3D.
The 3D-XL should be able to accept a 1080P Frame packed signal when playing a 3D Blu-ray disc and convert it for the PJ. I almost wonder if it is due to the slow signal sync of the PJ, by the time it sees the signal from the 3D-XL, the PS3 has already determined that there is not a 3D capable display connected.

It may be entirely due to the information that is contained in the EDID stored in the eeprom, and the way that the 3D-XL interprets it vs the way the VP3D1 interprets it. Who knows, it may be as simple as new cables, I may just have to run out and buy some vs waiting on my Amazon delivery.

BTW, I chose the 3D-XL because it does offer the option of running a dual projector passive setup, if a second 3D-XL is used as well. While this is not in any current plans, it doesn't hurt to think ahead. Plus,the dual PJ support also increases the chances of being able to resell the unit if desired.
post #153 of 288
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Originally Posted by 3DNewb View Post

I told him that theoretically if it worked with the VP3D1, surely it should work with the 3D-XL, since they are basically the same thing.

I'm sure it does... Theoretically.

Actually, I bet it doesn't work with either.
post #154 of 288
@3DNewb

do you have success with the new cables? if not you're sending the optoma back and trying the vp3d1?
post #155 of 288
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Originally Posted by 3DNewb View Post

Who knows, it may be as simple as new cables, I may just have to run out and buy some vs waiting on my Amazon delivery.

I used the following cables with the 3d-XL (listed as HDMI 1.4 on their product page). Did not work with the PS3 or Cable (Comcast).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details
post #156 of 288
I tried a neighbors week old high speed cables, shortly after my post and was unable to get it to work. I unfortuneately had to leave town unexpectedly and being uncertain of when I'd return, I returned the Optoma 3D-XL. I did btw ask Optoma support if there was any change in the compatibility between the 3D-XL and ML500 due to the recent firmware released. The answer was no, figured I'd ask in case the status had changed for owner's of the ML500.

I'll be holding off on getting a VP3D1 until confirmation by a user that it works with the PLED-W500 and a PS3. I game mostly on the PC, so no hurry.
post #157 of 288
I have to buy this projector for 862 in Canada where It is sold for 665 in the Us.
I'm about to place my order.
Can i watch 3d movies on th w500 with passive glasses?

I have radeon 5450 can i run most games on 800p resolution while using the tridef/ iz software?

Should I buy nvidia 3d vision 99$ now or buy separate active shutter /software/ nvidia 6xx gtx ? As I'm waiting for the nex gen cards for a while. Any advice would be appreciated.
post #158 of 288
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Originally Posted by taerospace View Post

Can i watch 3d movies on th w500 with passive glasses?

No.

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Originally Posted by taerospace View Post

I have radeon 5450 can i run most games on 800p resolution while using the tridef/ iz software?

No.

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Originally Posted by taerospace View Post

Should I buy nvidia 3d vision 99$

I don't think these projectors are compatible with 3D Vision, so no.
post #159 of 288
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Originally Posted by taerospace View Post

I have to buy this projector for 862 in Canada where It is sold for 665 in the Us.
I'm about to place my order.
Can i watch 3d movies on th w500 with passive glasses?.

Well Yes and No. To watch with Passive glasses would require a second projector, special polarizer and a special screen among other things.
But, the PLED-W500 is designed to be used with DLP-Link Active Shutter glasses.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1299974
Unless you are talking about Anaglyph 3D, then you only need a pair of passive glasses with colored lenses that are compatible with the colors used.

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Originally Posted by taerospace View Post

I have radeon 5450 can i run most games on 800p resolution while using the tridef/ iz software?

Yes, you can run games at 1280x800 in 2D, I'm unsure about in 3D. You can run games at a pseudo 1920x1080 via HDMI, but not in 3D.

I'm unsure of the HD3D requirements, other than you do need at least a 5450 or better AMD graphics card. I do not see the PLED-W500 as supported on the AMD list. So I'm unsure if it would work, or if it is possible to make it work. I do not have a AMD card, so I could not say.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/techn...-hardware.aspx

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Originally Posted by taerospace View Post

Should I buy nvidia 3d vision 99$ now or buy separate active shutter /software/ nvidia 6xx gtx ? As I'm waiting for the nex gen cards for a while. Any advice would be appreciated.

Nvidia does not support the PLED-W500. To make it work you'll need the 3D Vision emitter to activate the driver along with an EDID override from a 3D Vision supported projector. Whether or not you buy a Nvidia card is your choice.
post #160 of 288
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Originally Posted by HenryDudley View Post


No.
No.
No.

Always so negative? :P
post #161 of 288
are these feature available in th acer k300 and optoma ml500?
Can I use 3d-xl the acer k300 and optoma ml500?
Can I buy a dvi connector (then break the 2 pins) and use 3d vision with it?
So what u r saying is that since the pled is nit supported in amds website i cant view 3d movies or play 3d games. I thought Amd has an open platform where i can choose any brand. Its my first time buying aprojector please help me make an informed decision.
post #162 of 288
I said I do not see it on the support list, take a little initiative and see what it takes to add a display to AMD support list. I do NOT have an AMD card, nor do I want to do the legwork for you.

Read thru the thread and you'll see where I said that an Optoma tech specifically told me that the ML500 is NOT compatible with the 3D-XL.

I do not own an Acer K330 or Optoma ML500, I can not say what they can or can not do without referencing the posts of Users that have posted. Once again, do the legwork yourself.

None of these clone projectors are a great choice for 3D but are excellent for 2D.

Your best bet is going for something that supports HDMI version 1.4, that way you will not need a 3D converter. I suggest you decide on which gaming platform you want to choose, then look for a display that is supported by said platform. Whether it be Nvidia, AMD, XBox or PS3.
post #163 of 288
There is a bit on the AMD supported hardware list that mentions projectors that support DLP Link 3D. So you would need the appropriate DLP Link glasses in order for it to work.
post #164 of 288
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Originally Posted by 3DNewb View Post


I'll be holding off on getting a VP3D1 until confirmation by a user that it works with the PLED-W500 and a PS3. I game mostly on the PC, so no hurry.

That user would be I.
I received the VP3D1 yesterday - from Amazon.
PS3 gaming attempt:
So - I connected the unit to my PS3, and tried playing Wipe-Out 3D (I guess I am never too old for video games). I selected the option to "play in 3D", then waited in baited breath to see what would happen. And.... (In a nutshell) It worked!!!! Quite nicely.

3D videos:
Since I do not own any 3D movies at the time, I downloaded some free 3D content from the PlayStation Store (naturally one of the first was the SI swimsuit clip). Most are about 4 minutes in length. The few I tried worked wonderfully. The animated video I watched was well done - the 3D effect was just as good (well, better because of the bigger screen) than the demos I've seen in the "Big Buy" stores. There is a very good sense of depth - my wife actually tried to sway to avoid being "hit" by an object on the screen - quite funny.

Cable TV
This is where I ran into issues. There are 2 Comcast channels available full time (along with On Demand content). One of the channels is in the Side by Side (SBS) format, while the other (ESPN) is in top/bottom format. At first, neither worked (and the light indicating that the SBS mode is on would not go on when I pressed the SBS button).
My biggest mistake of the evening was calling Viewsonic Tech Support - they make Kelly Bundy look like a genius!
Anyway I changed the output on my cable box to 1080i from 720p - then turned it on, and pressed the SBS button - lo and behold, the SBS button worked, and that channel was displayed nicely in 3D. The content is not riveting, but there is a nice sense of depth in all of the videos I watched. The downside is that the top/bottom format (ESPN) did not work. Seems this is not uncommon with top/bottom cable channels. But it looks like all Direct TV channels work - based on this review:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...-optoma-gt720/

Also, you don't need the latest HDMI cables for Cable viewing - I used an older HDMI cable from my Cable box to an HDMI switcher ($13 at Amazon), then connected the supplied cable to the VP3D1.

Downsides:
** - Top/Bottom ESPN channel on Comcast did not work
- After enabling the SBS mode on the unit for cable, the only way to watch 2D channels is to turn off the VP3D1 box, then turn it on. The SBS mode would not turn off by pressing the SBS button.**

I am using an 82 inch screen (1.0 gain), viewing from about 8 feet from the screen, with Optoma glasses (BG-ZD101). I have the brightness turned up to about 58 (I usually have it at 50 for 2D).
Apart from the expected loss in brightness; the colors look good (better than I expected actually). I will post an update after trying more content.

Now, my question is - what are the best deals for DLP link glasses?
post #165 of 288
Please anybody confirm, this clone is the only one which supports 720p at 120hz?
Acer K330 and Optoma ML500 don't.
If this is true, than winner is Viewsonic from the four clones.
post #166 of 288
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Originally Posted by tataniko View Post

Please anybody confirm, this clone is the only one which supports 720p at 120hz?
Acer K330 and Optoma ML500 don't.
If this is true, than winner is Viewsonic from the four clones.

looks like you got a new winner tataniko


grin
post #167 of 288
THE QUESTION IS IT 720P? could be 1024x768.
post #168 of 288
jumbi555 that's awesome, you'll love watching movies in 3D. I used to buy movies, watch them once, then they sit and collect dust. But with 3D I've watched "Open Season" a half dozen times, among others.

The True Depth 3D DLP Link rechargeable glasses are one of the few models that have a sync signal invert function. You can easily tell if the 3D signal is inverted by darting your eyes around the screen, if it is uncomfortable to do so, then flip the glasses over (upside down), dart the eyes around again, if the discomfort is now gone, the signal is inverted. All you need to do is switch it in the projector menu, game menu or on the glasses. Whichever glasses you do decide on, be sure to read as many reviews as you can find.

It's unfortunate that the 3D-XL would not work becuase the vesa 3 mini din connector on it allows for the use of IR or RF glasses as well. So I may wait for the 3DFury, since it does have a connector port for an emitter.
post #169 of 288
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Originally Posted by eat meat View Post

THE QUESTION IS IT 720P? could be 1024x768.

Good question, that may very well be the reason the 3D-XL did not work, because the 1280x720@120Hz signal it output was out of range. Or it could be that it was trying to send a 1920x1080P signal that was out of range.

I hope it's due to some super secret handshake that the Viewsonics have and that it does output 1280x720.

Well besides stating that the VP3D1 was compatible, the Viewsonic tech did confirm several times that it outputted a 1280x720 to the PLED-W500.

Awaiting user confirmation, how 'bout it jumbi555.
post #170 of 288
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Originally Posted by 3DNewb View Post

Good question, that may very well be the reason the 3D-XL did not work, because the 1280x720@120Hz signal it output was out of range. Or it could be that it was trying to send a 1920x1080P signal that was out of range.

I hope it's due to some super secret handshake that the Viewsonics have and that it does output 1280x720.

Well besides stating that the VP3D1 was compatible, the Viewsonic tech did confirm several times that it outputted a 1280x720 to the PLED-W500.

Awaiting user confirmation, how 'bout it jumbi555.

The signal is 1280x720 @120hz - the signal info is displayed on the screen before the video starts playing. At least the View-sonic tech got that right! The first one I spoke to asked me what type of projector the VP3D1 was (this was after I read the name/model to her) - this was the first time in my life that I was glad a call got disconnected.

As you said 3DNewb, this is supposed to be the same output as the 3D-XL -
and both units work with other brands of projectors; I too would prefer the 3D-XL, because it may be more compatible with my cable co.
post #171 of 288
It's my understanding that the 3D-XL supports more file formats than the VP3D1 as well. Did you ask Viewsonic if there's a firmware update? The 3D-XL had problems with over/under as well until a new firmware update.

Being that it will accept a 1280x720P@120Hz signal, means it may be compatible with some of the 2D-3D converters as well, such as the one that Monprice offers. http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 Reading reviews here on AVS Forumns, it suprisingly does a good job. (currently $18 off Black Fridat Deal)
post #172 of 288
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21065919

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Originally Posted by 3DNewb
So can you really just assume that there is no chance it may release with 3D HDMI support or 3D at 1280x720? The Qumi did. It'd probably only take swapping a chip out for another one, or adding one in, I'd imagine. Or maybe they are perfectly capable and the features are sandbagged. Have you tried spoofing your EDID to see if you could get 1280x720 in 3D?

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Originally posted by HenryDudley
Nothing is physically impossible, but it seems unlikely. I would bet my left testicle that this is a reference design for a projector made by some unknown(?) third party that the different companies have just made minor superficial changes to before slapping their logo on it.

I have no idea why they can't do 720p (I guess even the 120 Hz support they have might be some sort of hack) and I don't actually think it would have been that difficult to add without making any major changes to the projector design. I don't think they have though. I think it's just another clone. HDMI seems more unlikely as it might not just be drop in chip replacements, meaning PCB redesigns and new software.

One thing's for sure though, I would buy the ViewSonic tomorrow if it had short throw and 720p 3D (over HDMI!) Without that I don't see how it's worth the premium price.
____________________________________________________________ ____

I would bet that the 3D features are sandbagged on the other projectors, but not at the expense of a testicle!
post #173 of 288
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post #174 of 288
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Originally Posted by 3DNewb View Post

It's unfortunate that the 3D-XL would not work becuase the vesa 3 mini din connector on it allows for the use of IR or RF glasses as well. So I may wait for the 3DFury, since it does have a connector port for an emitter.

so theres no way to use rf glasses? for example the monster vision 3d max http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=5938 ? the viewsonic is 250$ and the 3d fury 450$ with emitter ... quite a difference. for me it is important that rf works because i'm already using ir for heaphone-headtracking. i think it might be interferring.
post #175 of 288
Currently there are no VGA, DVI or HDMI dongles that can be used to capture the sync signal. E-Dimensional made a VGA sync dongle that is still sold, but it's bandwidth is limited to lower resolutions.

There is a product I saw posted over in the 3DBee thread, it a 2D-3D converter that accepts multiple 3D formats and has a sync function but it's currently unavailable and the price is unknown (as well as quality or performance). http://www.3dinlife.com/english/Prod...vertorbox.html
post #176 of 288
This converter was interesting as well, currently 330 on E-Bay.
http://www.kanexpro.com/item/?id=2DTO3DSSW
It has upscaling, noise reduction and image enhancement.

I'm sure in the next year or so, there'll be a lot of these 2D-3D converters, with more and more features.
post #177 of 288
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Originally Posted by jumbi555 View Post

The signal is 1280x720 @120hz - the signal info is displayed on the screen before the video starts playing. At least the View-sonic tech got that right! The first one I spoke to asked me what type of projector the VP3D1 was (this was after I read the name/model to her) - this was the first time in my life that I was glad a call got disconnected.

As you said 3DNewb, this is supposed to be the same output as the 3D-XL -
and both units work with other brands of projectors; I too would prefer the 3D-XL, because it may be more compatible with my cable co.

Hey jumbi, thanks for sharing with us. I was wondering if you have tried sending 720p 120hz via HDMI from a computer? If that works, the Optoma 3DXL should work as well...unless the 3DXL has some kind of EDID blacklist. That seems unlikely, considering the sheer number of 120hz 720p projectors on the market.
post #178 of 288
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Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post

Hey jumbi, thanks for sharing with us. I was wondering if you have tried sending 720p 120hz via HDMI from a computer? If that works, the Optoma 3DXL should work as well...unless the 3DXL has some kind of EDID blacklist. That seems unlikely, considering the sheer number of 120hz 720p projectors on the market.

When I use my HTPC - I've only had luck with the output set to 1920x1080 in the SBS mode. **I did not realize (until u asked) that only 30hz works*** Edit - the output is 60Hz - not 30 Hz. The picture still looks good, with no flicker. I've tried you-tube 3D and bray rips in SBS mode (with VLC media player and Power DVD), both work fine. It seems to me that the SBS mode works with in 1920x1080 (source output) only.

The VP3D1 always outputs in 120Hz
post #179 of 288
Ok, thanks for checking.
post #180 of 288
Doh! Somehow I missed the fact that both Jumbi and 3DNewb have already tested the Viewsonic PLED-W500 with the Optoma 3DXL, the 3DXL failing to output 720p 120hz to the Viewsonic.

tataniko has tried 720p 120hz via hdmi directly from a computer to the Acer K330 and got a blurry, out of sync image.
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Originally Posted by tataniko View Post

I tested HDMI resolutions yesterday in Powerstrip:
1080p 23/24/25/30/50/60hz works
720p 60hz works
1024*768 120hz 3D works.

720p 120hz 3D works ! via HDMI,

- but very blurred, and unwatchable. I think it is not hopeless, but we have get a working device with HD pico DLP chipset, and copy their detailed timing values from powerstrip, like pixel clock, horizontal active pixels, blanking pixels, etc, and spoof back to the clones, or somebody can play and figure out the correct values.
I think it is not possible, only need time, or values.

This is a very good news, because we don't need EDID spoof or something.

Jumbi, or 3Dnewb, if you have a chance sometime could you try 720p 120hz via hdmi straight from PC to the Viewsonic? I'm guessing it won't sync.

Is the VP3D1 outputting a non standard, custom timing? Because right now it sounds like NONE of the 500lm clones will sync to 720p 120hz with standard timings.

One thing I'm curious of, if you connect a pc via hdmi @ 1024 x 768, what does the projector show the input as? 1024 x 768, or 1280x720 ? Maybe the projector is automatically scaling 1024x768 to 1280x720?

Thanks!
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