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post #31 of 100
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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi Image,
I'm Glad that you made your choice..I checked the specs..It is definitely no Elite VSX 52, but I am still hopeful that it will bring you much happiness!
If not don't forget that were always here!
What's that saying, "After you have tried the Rest, you can come back to the Best!" LOL!
I'm kidding..(No, I'm Not) Yes I am (No, I'm Not!) LOL..I guess that I'm torn!

OK, now get outta here and go find the thread for the Yamaha RXA-710Bl...LOL!

It was nice knowing ya!

The above is all in Fun..(Life is way too Short!) Have Great One and Enjoy your new Toy!

Bud B
PS. My Brother is a big Yamaha Receiver Fan...What the Hell does he know?!

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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi all,
A few Pics of my Elite VSX 52.
Please note that this is not it's final resting place, just a quick setup location.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA...I knew this was coming...its all good Bud! Yea so far it is has given me a WOW factor for the price. It has tons of features and the onscreen GUI is incredible. I tried to grab a vsx-52 but got impatient and went for the AVENTAGE. It is the base entry model for the broke folks like me but I must say it IS impressive.

What all does the 52 have over the yamadog? I cant tell...haha.

BTW your 52 looks mighty nice!!
post #32 of 100
Nice.. I remember having the E52. That thing is sure heavy.

BUD B: Are you running a power conditioner for your units?
post #33 of 100
Hi Wild_Fyer,

Quote:


Are you running a power conditioner for your units?

No I never have done that...My E52 as well as HTPC, Kuro Plasma and TWC DVR are plugged into a PanaMax Coax Max Surge Protector.
That's about it.

Later,

Bud B
post #34 of 100
Sorry guys/gals if i'm off the topic here a bit.

BUD B: You think getting a Panamax M5400-PM will be worth the investment or worth it or necessary?
post #35 of 100
Hi Wild_Fyer,

Quote:


You think getting a Panamax M5400-PM will be worth the investment or worth it or necessary?

I about dropped my teeth after I Googled it and saw a price tag of $730.00!
Are you out of your mind!
There is no way that I would ever buy that..
Get a good Surge Protector and an Extended Warranty!
My Panamax was probably about $65.00 and that's it!
I lived in Florida where we call our power company FPL (Florida Power & Light) as Florida Flicker & Flash!
Not to mention all of our Hurricanes!

You have been going back and forth about putting your $$$ into a new HDTV and a VSX-521 or the purchase of the Elite VSX 52 and some Speakers,
because you cannot afford both the HDTV along with the Elite 52 and Speakers for a new Home Theater setup, and then you ask me a Crazy question like that?
Am I on Candid Forum?

You must be kidding right? OK..You got me.LOL! I give up!
You probably buy Monster Cable too..Right!

Bud B
post #36 of 100
From a Post in the VSX 1121 thread..
I had mentioned how the power cord does not go into the Elite VSX 52 very securely.
Fellow poster ccotenj responded,
Quote:


you can use the power cable with the ground plug... there's no issues doing that... it won't care...

So, I responded below..Just an FYI for the new owners.......

Howdy ccotenj,

You know sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees!
You are perfectly right, who cares that there is a Ground on the replacement power cord, it's just not used! So simple.
They are both shaped exactly the same whether it is a 2 Conductor or a 3 conductor with in this case, an un-used ground

I went into my power cord box (I have about 6 IEC power cords collected over the years) and I grabbed a couple of my grounded IEC cords...
Went to the E52 and swapped out the OEM cord for my Grounded IEC and it went in further and feels much more like an IEC cord into Gear should feel!!

I put the OEM 2 conductor power cord into my cord box!

Thanks ccotenj...If you have a spare one try it!

Later,
Bud B
post #37 of 100
Okay.. Okay.. BB salesman was trying to get me to buy it for my new 50" LED Samsung. I just wanted to get information, was a bit curious if it was worth it. I never really heard about power conditioners. I was thinking to myself and for others, just get the 4 year extended warranty and thats only $100 for 4 years or more depending on what you buy. You can buy 5 components with with extended warranty with that much you spend to keep whatever electronic safe.

Anyway, yup, E52 power cord doesn't really plug in really tight. I was wondering about that to. Thought I had an open box E52 and gave me the wrong power cord.

And no, I don't buy monster cables, good thing for forums and google. LOL.. But was funny how the BB salesman was trying to convince me to buy the monster HDMI for more superior picture along with the power conditioner. Come on.... Well they tried, gotta make a living some how.
post #38 of 100
Thread Starter 
I picked up a VSX-52 and was disappointed to find Pioneer has not updated their GUI/user interface since last year. The GUI looks almost identical to the SC-37 I tried last year. It is just as slow to go through my music files on my network (wired connection) and there is no way to go through them one page at a time. The volume level is not overlaid on my TV and the video and audio parameters are only displayed on the unit's display. I want to be able to sit back 12-15 feet and see how the settings affect the picture/audio, but I can't see the display from that distance. Why can't Pioneer overlay information on the TV screen? The HDMI handshake is the slowest among Onkyo, Denon, and Yamha, all of which I have tried in the past year or so.

I don't know if this is an isolated problem, but the power cable is EXTREMELY loose on this unit. After plugging it in, I lifted the receiver and shook it and the power cable came off. I bent the metal plugs on the unit with my hand to get a decent connection.

I love the look of the Pioneer and it sounds great, but I need a better user interface for my receiver.
post #39 of 100
CobelAli: Houston, we have a problem. Well not a problem.

But that sounds about right, power cord doesn't really snug in there for a tight fit. Not sure what the problem is because I didn't want to spend time with the power cord. I wanted to go straight to the options and hear what the system had to provide. GUI, yes, brings back memories back in the days when I worked out of DOS programming. But there should be an overlay of the volume, not sure why it isn't showing on yours.
post #40 of 100
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild_Fyer View Post

CobelAli: Houston, we have a problem. Well not a problem.

But that sounds about right, power cord doesn't really snug in there for a tight fit. Not sure what the problem is because I didn't want to spend time with the power cord. I wanted to go straight to the options and hear what the system had to provide. GUI, yes, brings back memories back in the days when I worked out of DOS programming. But there should be an overlay of the volume, not sure why it isn't showing on yours.

No, there is definitely something wrong with either the cord or the plug on the receiver. I have a number of audio and computer equipment with the same type of cord and know how tight they are. A cord this loose is a fire hazard. I would have exchanged it if I were going to keep it, but I'm not keeping it.

With the SC-37, I contacted Pioneer and they told me the overlay only works with Kuro displays. I'm assuming it's the same with this model. The video and audio parameters are not overlaid, even on a Kuro.
post #41 of 100
CobelAli: Yes, i ment plug thats what i mean rather than cord, it doesn't completely snug in the connection. What's the deal, had me thinking it was out of the box item and got the wrong cord. LOL..

What I've found with Pioneer customer service. That they are not really helpful or knowledgable I think. I've asked for help regarding the HDMI standby mode and all they said was, it may not be compatible with the T.V.

But after playing around with the PS3, I got it to work.

CobelAli: Well i guess that's the general answer they always give. Not compatible and that's it.

There should be a volume overlay because it worked for my old 42" Samsung 1080i. I understand the GUI isn't overlayed.
post #42 of 100
Thread Starter 
HDMI standby pass through is another "feature" that I can't set up. With Denon receivers, you choose the standby HDMI input and it works with the receiver off. I found no such thing in either Sc-37 or vsx-52. How did you get it to work with the ps3?
post #43 of 100
Wow.. You got the SC-37? Nice.. All I did for the PS3 was just re-select the video output selection again to HDMI even though it was already set. I guess this will help the receiver to recognize theres a HDMI component connected.

See if that works for you.
post #44 of 100
Hi guys,

Since I have a Kuro and I setup HDMI Control, I do see the Volume on the Kuro.
I also have input and Surround Settings that show on my Kuro.

The pass through only works with HDMI Control ON.

One of the big reasons that I got the Pioneer Elite VSX 52 was because I DO have a Pioneer Kuro Plasma.

Also to be honest, with my VSX 1020 in my Bedroom and now my new VSX 52 with my Kuro, I have not used it for anything other than two inputs, HDMI for Cable and my HTPC.
I do use Sirius Radio and MP3 Tunes but through my HTPC and if I like, routed through my Pioneer and out to my HDTV.
So many different ways to do things in these technological days!
Because of this I do not use the GUI on any regular basis except for my initial setup!

If you check out the Videos on the Pioneer website, where this unit shines is with the display on a I-Pad, I-phone, Android etc with it's Air Play, Air Jam and I-Control 2 App's.
I also have a Bluetooth adapter coming for my E52
I do plan on getting an I-Pad to match with my E52..Numerous Apps and I can actually use it as my Universal Remote, Sound Field Adjust/Spec and GUI!
I have obviously wanted an I-Pad for awhile but with the new addition of my E52 it sure helps me rationalize another piece of equipment.
I'm holding out for the new (It's coming) I-Pad 3
There are lot's of App's for Pro-Audio as well, which comes in handy for my Stage Shows!

The E52 (as well as other Pioneer Models) is a unit that you or I can grow with!
When I was at a Magnolia Best Buy the Salesman showed me a Panasonic HDTV that supposedly relies heavily on Pioneer Technology!
We all knew that Panasonic had purchased Pioneer's HDTV (Kuro) Technology when Pioneer stopped manufacturing HDTV's and yet we have been waiting to see exactly what and how Panasonic would use it!
If so, then Panasonic's will probably mate very well with Pioneer A/V Equipment in the future.
Time will tell!

Lastly, I have a box of old IEC Cords from long dead Computer Monitors, etc..
In a post further up I mentioned that I just used one of those and removed the OEM Cord!
It has a ground on the cord but it is just not used!
The cord went in further and will definitely not shake out...plus what's with the shaking, do you live in earthquake territory?
I do not think that on their good day, Pioneer designed their power cord for the Shake Test! LOL! But it was very loose, not anymore!

When I do install my equipment I have 3 tie wrap routes. Power, Signal and Speaker, and the three do not meet!
It looks very neat and still very easy to work with if needed.
Bottom line, once Installation is complete, you COULD shake my entire AV Center with no cable problems.
So, I do not bear it any mind, what's that saying, Never S**T the Small Stuff!"
Or something like that..LOL!

I do agree..my E52 does Sound Great!
Crisp Highs, Smooth Mids and Deep Lows..Pop in a Blu-Ray, sit back and enjoy being Immersed in the Surrounds!
Speaking of that, it's Blu-Ray Friday Night!
Gotta Run...

Enjoy guys,

Bud B
post #45 of 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild_Fyer View Post

Sorry guys/gals if i'm off the topic here a bit.

BUD B: You think getting a Panamax M5400-PM will be worth the investment or worth it or necessary?

If you are looking for a reasonable power conditioner/surge protector, checkout the Belkin PF60 and PF30. They can be found for $150 and $75 respectively. Look cool in black and assume they are doing the job. I have the PF60 and am very happy with it.
post #46 of 100
Hi all,
I just came across an interesting change of events.
I recently setup my Pioneer Kuro Plasma HDTV to my Pioneer Elite VSX 52 receiver via HDMI Control.
This morning I turned on my HTPC Computer that goes into HDMI 1 on my E52.
When the screen came up on my Kuro it was flickering and I knew exactly what the problem was..HDMI Control!
I turned off HDMI Control and my HTPC screen on my Kuro stopped flickering!

That does not happen with my Time Warner Cable Box DVR plugged into HDMI 2.
So why is that?
Is my Cable Box HDMI Control Active?
I know that my Computer is not.

With the Elite VSX 53 and the 2nd HDMI Out, when reading in the OP Manual under HDMI Control it states that with the VSX 53 only HDMI 1 Out can be setup with HDMI Control.

So, am I to believe that the VSX 53 is what I want, Cable Box and all HDMI Controllable Equipment would be routed to my Kuro via HDMI 1 Out.
And my HTPC would need to be routed through the E53 and then out via HDMI 2 and into a separate HDMI Input on my Kuro!
This would mean that whenever I used my HTPC I would need to change the HDMI Input on the E53 and also on my Kuro.
Which is not terrible, it is just a matter of two pushes, arrow on Elite Remote and # 5 one on my Kuro Remote and then back to #6 when I stop using my HTPC and arrow back to my TWC Cable Box.

The other option is to turn HDMI Control Off whenever I use my HTPC and then back On after.
Thankfully there is a HDMI Control button on my Kuro remote, one push each way as compared to 2 pushes each way.
So, it's get the E53 and change the HDMI INput for my Kuro or turn the HDMI Control Off and On and keep my E52.
Is it worth the $200.00 extra and the E53?
I'll try the HDMI Control Off for awhile and see how that goes...Just an FYI for HTPC Users out there and HDMI Control!

Later,
Bud B
post #47 of 100
Thread Starter 
The reason I shook the unit was to see how loose the plug was. I'm very familiar with these plugs and that's why this one was so unusual. My company manufactures industrial control panels and we have a very stringent torque requirements for all our connections. I have seen a number of competitor units catching fire due to loose connections. Maybe I'm a little paranoid, but I rather be safe than sorry.

I really like the sound of the receiver, but without a volume overlay or the ability to adjust video or audio settings, I can't keep it. As for apple stuff, I don't have any apple products so they are of no benefit to me.
post #48 of 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi all,
I just came across an interesting change of events.
I recently setup my Pioneer Kuro Plasma HDTV to my Pioneer Elite VSX 52 receiver via HDMI Control.
This morning I turned on my HTPC Computer that goes into HDMI 1 on my E52.
When the screen came up on my Kuro it was flickering and I knew exactly what the problem was..HDMI Control!
I turned off HDMI Control and my HTPC screen on my Kuro stopped flickering!

That does not happen with my Time Warner Cable Box DVR plugged into HDMI 2.
So why is that?
Is my Cable Box HDMI Control Active?
I know that my Computer is not.

With the Elite VSX 53 and the 2nd HDMI Out, when reading in the OP Manual under HDMI Control it states that with the VSX 53 only HDMI 1 Out can be setup with HDMI Control.

So, am I to believe that the VSX 53 is what I want, Cable Box and all HDMI Controllable Equipment would be routed to my Kuro via HDMI 1 Out.
And my HTPC would need to be routed through the E53 and then out via HDMI 2 and into a separate HDMI Input on my Kuro!
This would mean that whenever I used my HTPC I would need to change the HDMI Input on the E53 and also on my Kuro.
Which is not terrible, it is just a matter of two pushes, arrow on Elite Remote and # 5 one on my Kuro Remote and then back to #6 when I stop using my HTPC and arrow back to my TWC Cable Box.

The other option is to turn HDMI Control Off whenever I use my HTPC and then back On after.
Thankfully there is a HDMI Control button on my Kuro remote, one push each way as compared to 2 pushes each way.
So, it's get the E53 and change the HDMI INput for my Kuro or turn the HDMI Control Off and On and keep my E52.
Is it worth the $200.00 extra and the E53?
I'll try the HDMI Control Off for awhile and see how that goes...Just an FYI for HTPC Users out there and HDMI Control!

Later,
Bud B

Who cares about HDMI control. Read any thread most have it off as it causes more problems then what eliminates. Enter Harmony and others to the rescue. Next.
post #49 of 100
Hi CobelAli,

You said,
Quote:


but without a volume overlay or the ability to adjust video or audio settings, I can't keep it.

WOW! I am blown away by that statement.

At least my Opinion and you know what they say about opinions, I have been dealing with Audio for more years than I want to Admit,
my take on it for Home Audio is:
When I want it Louder or Quieter I simply push the Volume Button on the Remote + or - and my Ears are better for Sound than anything that I can SEE,
they tell me when I have reached the desired Audio Level.
I would really rather not SEE it on my TV Screen.

For Video & Audio..again my Ears and Eyes help me out.

For Audio, the Elite VSX 52 has four buttons on the remote that deal with the various Sound fields..I have already found my 2 favorite.
ALC and Ext. Stereo, the two outside buttons.
If there is Surround material in the program, I use ALC but if there is none, then Ext. Stereo puts Audio into all of my speakers and excites my Surrounds.

Lastly as far as Video..Well the Elite VSX 52 does such a good job that I just leave it alone. What Video are you adjusting?

To be honest, once my E52 is setup correctly and my Tweaking is done, I just want it to be invisible, I do not want to own a Receiver that I need to constantly be fiddling with and monitoring!
I have had my Pioneer VSX 1020 for over a year and it is usually turned on and then just the Volume is all that is adjusted!
I am Tweaking and playing around with my E52 a lot now, because I Like it and it's my New Toy..
But months from now it will be like my VSX 1020 is now....Turn it on and use my remote to change Channels and Volume!

But there are some that just want to constantly be Adjusting and Fiddling with their Receiver, never happy to just sit back and like you say, It Sounds Great...So... Just Listen To It and Enjoy it!
I am sure that there are receivers available other than Pioneer that do require constant attention and an On-Screen GUI, would certainly help!

When we were kids our parents would say that we were to be Seen and Not Heard, but when it comes to receivers, I believe that they should be Heard and Not Seen! LOL!
Though I have to admit, I do like the Gold Text and Numbers with the Blue Indicators.
Better than the Red White and Blue of the non Elite VSX receivers.

Whatever your choice...Good Luck and Enjoy....That's what it's all about!

Bud B
post #50 of 100
Hi smurraybhm,

You said,
Quote:


Who cares about HDMI control. Read any thread most have it off as it causes more problems then what eliminates. Enter Harmony and others to the rescue. Next.

And I know that you are right but with my Setup, HDMI Control matches my Pioneer Kuro and thought that because they are both Pioneers, the HDMI Control would work to it's best!
And while I was using it, it was good.
I don't use it with my VSX 1020, so it will be finel, it's definitely not a Deal Breaker!
There are talks on the web of adding HDMI Control to HTPC's in the future...we'll see.

There is another option of connection called SR Control on page 24 of the E52 OP Manual... it is really just for the Remote Sensor, because my E52 does not sit directly under my HDTV,
I aim the Kuro's remote to the TV and the E52's remote faces off to the left where the receiver sits!
With the SR Link I can just use the Kuro's Remote Sensor and control both the E52 and the Kuro TV.
Not much but a little something.

Thanks for the response..

Bud B
post #51 of 100
Who the vendors to this series?
post #52 of 100
Hi Wowyahoo,

You asked,
Quote:
Who the vendors to this series?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Where-To-Buy

Best Buy, you can buy online and have it shipped to stores, however the only stores that it is actually setup at, are the Best Buy Magnolia Home Theater Stores.
B&H Photo, J&R Music World.
Put in your location on the Pioneer Page (Link above) to see who the closest retailer is to you.

The Elite Series is not available On-Line but only in an actual Brick & Mortar Store.

The Pioneer Website States:
Quote:
*Pioneer does NOT authorize any dealers to sell Elite-branded products on the Internet (only in-store sales are permitted). Therefore, any Elite-branded product purchased on the Internet is NOT authorized, which means that it does NOT carry the manufacturer's limited warranty and does not qualify for any manufacturer's rebate.

Good Luck and I hope that it is available where you live!

Later,
Bud B
post #53 of 100
A Follow up for Wowyahoo,
The VSX 1121 has many features that are the same as the Elite VSX 52.
In fact there are so many Features that are the same that this entire Thread could actually be named,
"What is the difference between the Elite VSX 52, 53 and the VSX 1121"
Also at the Official VSX 1121 Owners Thread they discuss just that.

Obviously the first thing you notice is the display, Gold & Blue for the Elite and White and Blue for the 1121.
The VSX 1121 is available On-Line and has a 1 Year Warranty.
The Elite's are not available On-Line (unless it is to be shipped to a store for pickup, like Best Buy) and has a 2 Year Warranty.
The 1121 also has no 12V Triggers.
After that the waters start to get a bit murky as to exactly what else is different between the Elite VSX 52 and the VSX 1121.
It is all listed in these two threads.
There are links so you can download the OP Manuals for both as well as the Product Brochures for both.
Look them over and then you can be the judge as to which you want!

Obviously I chose the Elite VSX 52 and I have not looked back on my purchase for one second.
Though the differences are small, the 2 Year Warranty and yes, just the overall looks, I chose the E52.
I'm also banking on the fact that besides what is on paper, there is something that I cannot detect at the core of the Elite.
For the $100.00 difference I said, What the Hey! I Like it!
And after having it for a couple of weeks..I still like it!

If you are in the process of looking for a new receiver, I do not think that you could go wrong with the Elite VSX 52, 53 or the VSX 1121.

Good Luck in your search for the receiver that best suits your needs.

Have a Great Sunday!

Bud B
PS. The VSX 1121 Owners Thread link is on page 1 but I will add it here again for any interested....
http://http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1330154
post #54 of 100
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi CobelAli,

You said,

WOW! I am blown away by that statement.

At least my Opinion and you know what they say about opinions, I have been dealing with Audio for more years than I want to Admit,
my take on it for Home Audio is:
When I want it Louder or Quieter I simply push the Volume Button on the Remote + or - and my Ears are better for Sound than anything that I can SEE,
they tell me when I have reached the desired Audio Level.
I would really rather not SEE it on my TV Screen.

For Video & Audio..again my Ears and Eyes help me out.

For Audio, the Elite VSX 52 has four buttons on the remote that deal with the various Sound fields..I have already found my 2 favorite.
ALC and Ext. Stereo, the two outside buttons.
If there is Surround material in the program, I use ALC but if there is none, then Ext. Stereo puts Audio into all of my speakers and excites my Surrounds.

Lastly as far as Video..Well the Elite VSX 52 does such a good job that I just leave it alone. What Video are you adjusting?

To be honest, once my E52 is setup correctly and my Tweaking is done, I just want it to be invisible, I do not want to own a Receiver that I need to constantly be fiddling with and monitoring!
I have had my Pioneer VSX 1020 for over a year and it is usually turned on and then just the Volume is all that is adjusted!
I am Tweaking and playing around with my E52 a lot now, because I Like it and it's my New Toy..
But months from now it will be like my VSX 1020 is now....Turn it on and use my remote to change Channels and Volume!

But there are some that just want to constantly be Adjusting and Fiddling with their Receiver, never happy to just sit back and like you say, It Sounds Great...So... Just Listen To It and Enjoy it!
I am sure that there are receivers available other than Pioneer that do require constant attention and an On-Screen GUI, would certainly help!

When we were kids our parents would say that we were to be Seen and Not Heard, but when it comes to receivers, I believe that they should be Heard and Not Seen! LOL!
Though I have to admit, I do like the Gold Text and Numbers with the Blue Indicators.
Better than the Red White and Blue of the non Elite VSX receivers.

Whatever your choice...Good Luck and Enjoy....That's what it's all about!

Bud B

Is there a way to set specific video parameters for each input on the Pioneer? Admittedly, I haven't read the whole manual because I don't find it that useful. With a previous Denon, I was able to set the video conversion settings independently for each input. I don't think the Pioneer allows for this. Since all my sources go through the receiver, I want to be able to change the video settings based on the source. For example, I want the unit to upconvert the signal from my WD Live Hub, but not from my Oppo. I also don't want any video conversion for my Xbox 360 because it affects my frame rate. If the Pioneer doesn't allow individual settings for each input, it seems to me that it's the Pioneer that requires constant attention and not other brands that allow you to adjust the settings once for each input and forget about it.

I would LOVE to use my eyes to see how the adjustments affect the picture, but it's hard when the settings can only be adjusted through the display on the unit and not a TV. Maybe it's my eyesight, but I just can't see the display on the unit when I'm sitting 15 feet away from it. At least with the SC-37 and the RF remote, I could see the settings on the remote, but with this unit it's nearly impossible to see how the video or audio settings affect the output. I need to be in the sweet spot to see and hear how a video or audio setting changes the output.

I just don't understand why Pioneer can't keep up with its competitors when it comes to being user friendly. With my equipment and to my ears, the Pioneer SC-37 sounded slightly better than the Denon AVR-4311, but the Denon was easier to use and set up. I ended up returning both, Pioneer because of the same issues as the VSX-52 and the Denon for a defective network card. The VSX-52 sounds very good, but I'm going to buy a Denon AVR-3312 and do a side by side check to seen if this is the case or not. If the sound quality is close, I would rather go with the more expensive Denon unit that is easier to use and doesn't require constant changes to the video settings.

I'm glad the Pioneer is working for you. I still haven't found a receiver that I can live with. I have tried Onkyo, Yamaha, 2 Denons, and 2 Pioneers. I hope Denon has fixed the network issue with this year's models.
post #55 of 100
^^^

"reading" the manual is actually quite useful, and would give you the answer to the question you asked...

network card issues with last year's denons (including the 4311) were solved with a firmware update quite some time ago... it remains to be seen what this year's will show, but there haven't been a rash of complaints about it...
post #56 of 100
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

"reading" the manual is actually quite useful, and would give you the answer to the question you asked...

network card issues with last year's denons (including the 4311) were solved with a firmware update quite some time ago... it remains to be seen what this year's will show, but there haven't been a rash of complaints about it...

The question about setting individual video settings for each input?
post #57 of 100
Hi CobelAli,

Let's try and take things one by one....
1)
Quote:


Is there a way to set specific video parameters for each input on the Pioneer?

Yes. you can do this with the Pioneer.
If you go to page 52 in the owners Manual which discusses Video Parameters, at the top it states: All of the Setting Items can be set per Input Function.
Obviously some parameters that are available depend on the Input selected.

2)
Quote:


With a previous Denon, I was able to set the video conversion settings independently for each input.

Yes- you can do this with the Pioneer.
Again if you go to page 52 (Section 9) under the "Video Parameter Menu"
The first item listed is "Video Conversion" with a choice of "On" or "Off"

3)
Quote:


Since all my sources go through the receiver, I want to be able to change the video settings based on the source.

Thankfully the Pioneer does that.

4)
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I would LOVE to use my eyes to see how the adjustments affect the picture, but it's hard when the settings can only be adjusted through the display on the unit and not a TV. Maybe it's my eyesight, but I just can't see the display on the unit when I'm sitting 15 feet away from it. At least with the SC-37 and the RF remote, I could see the settings on the remote, but with this unit it's nearly impossible to see how the video or audio settings affect the output.

The Video settings that you set for say your Xbox 360 is or should be a one time affair. Get a chair and snuggle up to the E52 to make your initial Input Settings.
Based on the equipment present at that specific Input.
Once this is done your X-Box 360 should be done, now sit 15, 20 or 30 feet away, confident in the fact that when you select the X-Box 360 Input it will appear on your HDTV exactly as you wanted and had previously selected.
Plus because the Pioneer's Remote has Illuminated Buttons you can easily see (if you remember) which HDMI Input button is for your X-Box 360.

5)
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I would rather go with the more expensive Denon unit that is easier to use and doesn't require constant changes to the video settings.

See now that you know about the above Features that the Elite VSX 52 & 53 has, you would not need to do that.

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constant changes to the video settings.

Are not needed. Set 'em and Forget 'em!
Your Good to go. There is a Video Parameter button located on the Remote that does let you walk through the adjustments on the fly...but you would need to see the front panel.
Do you ever get up and walk around, going to grab a Soda or a Beer or Snack and you could walk by your Elite's front panel?

Forgetting ALL else though, I think that the Pioneer's Front Panel Layout and over-all look is much nicer than the Denon.
I also like the Controls available behind the "Elite" drop down front door.
I mean who does not like those drop down hidden panels on the front of A/V Equipment!

At least know that both the Pioneer and Denon can do the same things (except for the GUI)
Also, for the same price of the Denon AVR-3312, the Elite VSX 53 also has the 2nd HDMI Out.

But bottom line is this..
If you really want to see your GUI as an Overlay and feel more comfortable with the Denon, your Happiness is our main concern in here!
Go for the Denon! And I'm not trying to be a Smart Ass, I am serious, you have to live with it not me or anyone else, it is also a personal choice!
I'm just a Pioneer Guy! The Pioneer Elite just looks Great next to my Pioneer Kuro 50" PLasma HDTV.
I mean it's Pioneer and Pioneer, to me it's just a "Sweet Setup!"
Find your "Sweet Setup!" We ALL Deserve one!

Enjoy,
Bud B.
PS. If you do compare them "Sound Wise" report back on what you think, I'd be interested in that.
So far everyone has said that the new Elite's DO Sound Great!
post #58 of 100
Thread Starter 
You're right about individual settings for each video input. I stand corrected I guess I'm used to seeing the parameters laid out differently.

Maybe you can help me with another function I cannot figure out. How do I set up the VSX-52 to send an HDMI signal to my TV when the receiver is off? I have set the HDMI control to ON and I selected ALL for the next parameter (I don't remembe exactly what the other option was), but the receiver is not doing an HDMI pass through.

I'm not a Denon fan boy. In fact, when it comes to aesthetics and sound quality, I prefer Pioneer to Denon, Yamaha, and Onkyo. Everyone has their priorities and preferences. Personally I don't think pulling up a chair next to your receiver to adjust video and audio is an elegant solution. I need to see and hear how settings affect video and audio. Like you, I want to use my ears and eyes to fine tune my system. The video parameters are not very extensive, but the audio parameters are.

The SC-37 that I tried last year sounded fantastic and ran very cool. It sounded a little better than the AVR-4311 that I was testing. The VSX-52 sounds very good and I'm very happy with the sound quality.

Neither this receiver or any other receiver I have tried has set the speaker levels correctly. It doesn't seem that hard, but none of the manufacturers I mentioned has been able to do so. I always have to go back and adjust them using my Radio Shack SPL meter.

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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi CobelAli,

Let's try and take things one by one....
1)
Yes. you can do this with the Pioneer.
If you go to page 52 in the owners Manual which discusses Video Parameters, at the top it states: All of the Setting Items can be set per Input Function.
Obviously some parameters that are available depend on the Input selected.

2)
Yes- you can do this with the Pioneer.
Again if you go to page 52 (Section 9) under the "Video Parameter Menu"
The first item listed is "Video Conversion" with a choice of "On" or "Off"

3)
Thankfully the Pioneer does that.

4)
The Video settings that you set for say your Xbox 360 is or should be a one time affair. Get a chair and snuggle up to the E52 to make your initial Input Settings.
Based on the equipment present at that specific Input.
Once this is done your X-Box 360 should be done, now sit 15, 20 or 30 feet away, confident in the fact that when you select the X-Box 360 Input it will appear on your HDTV exactly as you wanted and had previously selected.
Plus because the Pioneer's Remote has Illuminated Buttons you can easily see (if you remember) which HDMI Input button is for your X-Box 360.

5)
See now that you know about the above Features that the Elite VSX 52 & 53 has, you would not need to do that.

Lastly:
Are not needed. Set 'em and Forget 'em!
Your Good to go. There is a Video Parameter button located on the Remote that does let you walk through the adjustments on the fly...but you would need to see the front panel.
Do you ever get up and walk around, going to grab a Soda or a Beer or Snack and you could walk by your Elite's front panel?

Forgetting ALL else though, I think that the Pioneer's Front Panel Layout and over-all look is much nicer than the Denon.
I also like the Controls available behind the "Elite" drop down front door.
I mean who does not like those drop down hidden panels on the front of A/V Equipment!

At least know that both the Pioneer and Denon can do the same things (except for the GUI)
Also, for the same price of the Denon AVR-3312, the Elite VSX 53 also has the 2nd HDMI Out.

But bottom line is this..
If you really want to see your GUI as an Overlay and feel more comfortable with the Denon, your Happiness is our main concern in here!
Go for the Denon! And I'm not trying to be a Smart Ass, I am serious, you have to live with it not me or anyone else, it is also a personal choice!
I'm just a Pioneer Guy! The Pioneer Elite just looks Great next to my Pioneer Kuro 50" PLasma HDTV.
I mean it's Pioneer and Pioneer, to me it's just a "Sweet Setup!"
Find your "Sweet Setup!" We ALL Deserve one!

Enjoy,
Bud B.
PS. If you do compare them "Sound Wise" report back on what you think, I'd be interested in that.
So far everyone has said that the new Elite's DO Sound Great!
post #59 of 100
Hi CobelAli,

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I'm not a Denon fan boy

That's Cool, but if you were, that's Cool too!
I thought that was what you were saying in your last post.

Is the Pioneer perfect..NO..Would I like the Overlay GUI, Shure...but I think that I understand Pioneer's ambivalence to adding it.
As I previously stated, I have had the VSX 1020 for just over a year and except for my initial setup, I seriously have not pulled up the GUI.
Not to mention, I can run through the remote in the dark because I have used it almost everyday for a year!
I like that the E52 has an illuminated Remote.
But I also know that over time my E52 will be just like my 1020 is now!
I'll be pretty comfortable getting around the remote, for what I need the E52 to do!


You asked,
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How do I set up the VSX-52 to send an HDMI signal to my TV when the receiver is off?

This is the "Standby Through" feature, it is discussed on page 47 of the OP Manual.
I initially Read / Scanned this section but because I used my Kuro's Sound Bar as my Center Channel Speaker
and this means that my Kuro has no Sound on it's own..I did not really pay it much attention, because it is a useless feature for me at this time..who knows what the future holds.

For you, (and Others) I will check it out tomorrow after work and play around with it a bit.
Upon actually reading it before typing this, it looks like it could explain it better, but I'll let ya know...
See if anyone else in here has used this feature yet?

You also mentioned:
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Neither this receiver or any other receiver I have tried has set the speaker levels correctly. It doesn't seem that hard, but none of the manufacturers I mentioned has been able to do so. I always have to go back and adjust them using my Radio Shack SPL meter.]

I know that the Mic Placement and Speakers used really make a difference!
The 1020 did a Great job in my Bedroom (the 2nd time after I did a better Mic placement) almost too much Bass (I Live in a Apt. Bldg) but I liked it so I left it alone.
The VSX 1020 also found one of my speakers wired wrong, + to - and - to + so I had to swap that around.

So, maybe you might be hanging around in the Pioneer Elite camp for awhile....Glad to have ya..I'm not going anywhere..well maybe to here:
Bruce Orlando is trying to start a thread for the Pioneer Elite VSX 52 & 53.
The Link... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1350053

I'll probably start posting over there and try and keep everything Elite in one place.....

Later,

Bud B
post #60 of 100
Hello, hopefully someone here can help me with the questions I have for my new setup. I have read the manual front to back a few times but cannot seem to make sense of some of it. I also couldn't find anyone talking about this stuff on any other forum.

I have the following setup:
- Sony KDL46XBR4
- PS3
- Pioneer Elite VSX-52
- 5.1 Martin Logan surround system (motion 12's for the front, motion 8 for the center, and 2 motion 4's for the surrounds and a ML Dynamo 500 for the subwoofer). I am using the speaker normal speaker hookups.. just the front/center/surround/subwoofer outputs.
- I also have it LAN connected, there is a Buffalo Linstation NAS drive on the network that I use to store movies and music

I currently have both the cable box and PS3 using HDMI inputs 1 and 2, and the HDMI out going to the tv. Everything seems to work great but it doesn't seem to sound a good as it did in Magnolia. I have also already done the MCACC sound test. I'm not sure what it really did but I did it anyway.

Now for my questions/problems...

1) No surround sound when playing MP3's through the PS3/Linkstation. Only the front and center speakers are used when listening to music. This happens when listening to FM radio as well. Watching .MKV movies from my laptop, using its HDMI out, will also not produce surround. Some TV channels, even HD ones, will do this to.

I have tried the various surround options. Sometimes I cannot even change them for some reason, it mostly just shows as STEREO and only two speaker icons(the fronts) are shown. One thing I noticed was that ProLogicX settings are no longer available. I only see ProLogic options now, I read had that ProLogicX is only available when the surround back speakers are being used, and am not using them. That would make sense, but it had shown with the X yesterday but not today. This seems to coincide with the loss of my surround for music.

I get surround when playing games or watching movies. Shouldn't I be able to expect surround sound for all sources?

2) Watching a bluray on PS3 doesn't use TrueHD sound codec. It wants to use PCM. Does this matter? Should I be worried about this? When/how do any of these codecs (trueHD, DTS, DTSMaster, etc) get used?

3) My surround speakers, barely produce any sound for most inputs. Should they be louder?

Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to let me know what I'm doing wrong.
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