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post #391 of 2584
Anyone know where I can find the list of release notes for firmware updates?

Another one today and I'm just wondering whats changed.
post #392 of 2584
Anyone notice a faint 'humming' sound when you enable 3d? It's not loud and I only noticed it tonight when I had the receiver and tv speakers muted. It's definitely related to 3d, when I disable 3d, the humming goes away.

I should add, I tried backing off the back light and picture when in 3d mode (but you can't decrease the back light) and it didn't go away. I also increased the back light to max when not in 3d mode and the buzzing didn't appear.
post #393 of 2584
edit: oops, wrong topic.

On topic, I am going INSANE deciding on a tv.

1. If I sit very close to a tv such as this will I notice MY OWN reflection in it?

2. I saw this got almost a 9 on black levels whereas the lg I am trying got under a 6. Sounds drastic, but just for the record what do you all think of the black levels? How much backlight bleeding and flashlighting is there?

3. It was rated worse than the LG in motion. Is it true the motion is not handled well?

4. Is the whole crease thing fixed in recent manufactured sets? Is it noticable only when a picture is on or even witht he set off something noticable?

I really would rather not pay the 929 price tag. I can get the 46 inch of that for under $2000 with free glasses and more, but that's still a lot and it's from someone who won't take returns once it's opened.

If I do go back down to a 46 inch class then this would cost me $500+ more than the LG. So the black levels would have to be mighty worth it and not much flashlighting and whatnot or Im better off keeping my 55 inch lg or getting the 47.
post #394 of 2584
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

edit: oops, wrong topic.

On topic, I am going INSANE deciding on a tv.

1. If I sit very close to a tv such as this will I notice MY OWN reflection in it?

2. I saw this got almost a 9 on black levels whereas the lg I am trying got under a 6. Sounds drastic, but just for the record what do you all think of the black levels? How much backlight bleeding and flashlighting is there?

3. It was rated worse than the LG in motion. Is it true the motion is not handled well?

4. Is the whole crease thing fixed in recent manufactured sets? Is it noticable only when a picture is on or even witht he set off something noticable?

I really would rather not pay the 929 price tag. I can get the 46 inch of that for under $2000 with free glasses and more, but that's still a lot and it's from someone who won't take returns once it's opened.

If I do go back down to a 46 inch class then this would cost me $500+ more than the LG. So the black levels would have to be mighty worth it and not much flashlighting and whatnot or Im better off keeping my 55 inch lg or getting the 47.

I've read the 46" models aren't as likely to suffer from the crease. Black levels are impressive to say the least. With the right settings, you can pretty much eliminate flashlighting altogether.
post #395 of 2584
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Originally Posted by Aquayonex View Post

Anyone know where I can find the list of release notes for firmware updates?

Another one today and I'm just wondering whats changed.

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-home.pl?mdl=KDL55HX820&LOC=3#/downloadTab

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...os_group_id=18

However, they haven't posted the details yet for firmware version pkg3.505AAA. They normally take several weeks to post the details...( Sony doesn't post these details until they complete upgrade roll-outs to all regions globally)
post #396 of 2584
Hope someone has answers today before sale prices go up. Mostly I am conderned with whether or not there's much bleeding or flashlighting.., but I don't expect much in the way of answers since official woner threads are just going to give answers with bias saying that tv is the best.
post #397 of 2584
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

Hope someone has answers today before sale prices go up. Mostly I am conderned with whether or not there's much bleeding or flashlighting.., but I don't expect much in the way of answers since official woner threads are just going to give answers with bias saying that tv is the best.

I'm not an owner but, since you need answers today, here are my opinions on your questions 1 and 2. This set has a fairly glossy screen, so you will probably see your reflection at times if you sit too close, as well as table lamps in the room. If you watch in the evening with few lamps lit in the room, you won't see reflections. You will see reflections during the daytime if you sit off to the side. But glossy screens help produce the blackest blacks. I have a glossy screen on my Samsung and the picture is outstanding. I'd never have a matte screen.

The LG probably has a matte screen, which tones down reflections by diffusing them, but doesn't produce the deepest blacks.

I believe the Sony 729 has more of a matte screen and is very comparable to the 820. Look at that one, too. Good luck.
post #398 of 2584
Thanks. Well if I get a Sony it's almost totally for the black levels, so the 729 would probably not be as worth it. And one place which matches 110% is apparently closed on saturdays so I may have to pay much more money and get it from Amazon. Sigh. The places which have this cheap are ones which don't accept returns.

Absolute main thing I am wondering is how close to a completely black screen this ever gets. Someone in the 929 thread said that full array set can get totally black. This one I would assume would be mighty good, but not that good. Someone posted a pic of THIS one on a site taken of his tv and it looked like total darkness though.
post #399 of 2584
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

Thanks. Well if I get a Sony it's almost totally for the black levels, so the 729 would probably not be as worth it. And one place which matches 110% is apparently closed on saturdays so I may have to pay much more money and get it from Amazon. Sigh. The places which have this cheap are ones which don't accept returns.

Absolute main thing I am wondering is how close to a completely black screen this ever gets. Someone in the 929 thread said that full array set can get totally black. This one I would assume would be mighty good, but not that good. Someone posted a pic of THIS one on a site taken of his tv and it looked like total darkness though.

Don't buy it you seem way too picky and I guarantee you will get at the very minimum clouding, crease, reflections. If you are lucky you won't get "flash lighting" and only slight clouding. Oh and I'm a owner.
post #400 of 2584
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-home.pl?mdl=KDL55HX820&LOC=3#/downloadTab

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...os_group_id=18

However, they haven't posted the details yet for firmware version pkg3.505AAA. They normally take several weeks to post the details...( Sony doesn't post these details until they complete upgrade roll-outs to all regions globally)

Is it just me, or is that a bit of a FAIL on the part of Sony? I mean, having firmware upgrades but know even telling the consumer what you fixed seems a bit goofy.

I still have no idea what the "what's new" feature is in there last update.
post #401 of 2584
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

Thanks. Well if I get a Sony it's almost totally for the black levels, so the 729 would probably not be as worth it. And one place which matches 110% is apparently closed on saturdays so I may have to pay much more money and get it from Amazon. Sigh. The places which have this cheap are ones which don't accept returns.

Absolute main thing I am wondering is how close to a completely black screen this ever gets. Someone in the 929 thread said that full array set can get totally black. This one I would assume would be mighty good, but not that good. Someone posted a pic of THIS one on a site taken of his tv and it looked like total darkness though.

The HX729 has a very glossy screen as well. The black levels on my HX820 are amazing.
post #402 of 2584
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Originally Posted by ace1281 View Post

Don't buy it you seem way too picky and I guarantee you will get at the very minimum clouding, crease, reflections. If you are lucky you won't get "flash lighting" and only slight clouding. Oh and I'm a owner.

Too picky? Some people on here find problems with the hx929 and I bet if i go look I can find people whining about something on a kuro. I know I can't get perfection, but I want the best for the money I would be spending. The ONLY problem with the lg quality is it's a bit annoying when a screen turns dark and light is shining through the black everywhere despite using good calibration. I simply want a tv that is not THAT bad with blacks. Like I've said, if i get this set I can't even hook all of my equipment up because I need 2 component inputs, so it eneds to have good enough quality to be worth that tradeoff.l I can get the lg of the same size for under $1100 so it has to be worth $400-$500 extra PLUS losing features.

edit: Also Amazon is ridiculous. They never answer me BEFOEE a purchase as to whether they would match something. Like I'm supposed to buy it without knowing and then hope they will. And they have claimed before that an offer on another site is a "bundle" deal and not qualified, yet the item is listed only as the tv and then some extras are thrown in for a limited time, not sold AS the bundle.
post #403 of 2584
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Originally Posted by stevedensmore View Post

The HX729 has a very glossy screen as well. The black levels on my HX820 are amazing.

How do you feel about the purchase overall at this point vs. other sets you saw or have seen after?
post #404 of 2584
I've owned this set since the end of July and am quite happy with it.
It doesn't seem to have the problems that the 729 & 929 have.
Black levels are great as well as the gorilla glass reflection.
post #405 of 2584
Well I just watched the jay leno show from a few days ago and he and Charlie Sheen were both wearing dark/blackish suits (or at least sheen's seemed black or close enough to it to test some of this, anyway). The blacks looked good enough on the lg. Where the problem comes in for me is more when screens shift between scenes and whatnot or when credits roll in movies or when a lot of dark is on the screen... I guess it has what's considered bleedthrough. Since I haven't seen much of it, it's hard for me to know for sure if it's bleedthrough though.

So that is what I am most concerned with with the Sony is whether or not it will have bleedthrough. And of course the whole crease issue, which has happened in this model too apparently. Anddd reflections. I am going to go to best buy and hopefully they have this set on display there.

This whole process is so stressful it's making me feel literally sick testing tvs. And then I would have to return both the leg and sony if I decide to get the 47 inch lg... and as long as delivery takes it makes me risk the lg 47 inch going up in price soon. So many factors in all of this, but i'm almost 100% that I'll get the 46 inch 820 or the 47 inch lg so I am down to two models as I think the 929 is too expensive and the 55 inches are too big. So finally down to two choices.
post #406 of 2584
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

How do you feel about the purchase overall at this point vs. other sets you saw or have seen after?

I really like this set and have very few complaints. I got it through the Sony exchange program and this was the best model offered; so I didn't have many choices. I could have sold it on Craigslist, but the only other set I was looking at was the Panasonic 55" VT30, but image retention and plasma's inability to handle color gradients well are things I can't deal with.

The crease isn't that noticeable considering it's only on the outer edge. I'm only seated 9 feet from a 55" screen and it's perfect. There's a deal on it right now too that's hard to beat...

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3316904
post #407 of 2584
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Originally Posted by Mr-Homer View Post

Anyone notice a faint 'humming' sound when you enable 3d? It's not loud and I only noticed it tonight when I had the receiver and tv speakers muted. It's definitely related to 3d, when I disable 3d, the humming goes away.

I should add, I tried backing off the back light and picture when in 3d mode (but you can't decrease the back light) and it didn't go away. I also increased the back light to max when not in 3d mode and the buzzing didn't appear.

Anyone? Is this normal?
post #408 of 2584
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Originally Posted by stevedensmore View Post

I really like this set and have very few complaints. I got it through the Sony exchange program and this was the best model offered; so I didn't have many choices. I could have sold it on Craigslist, but the only other set I was looking at was the Panasonic 55" VT30, but image retention and plasma's inability to handle color gradients well are things I can't deal with.

The crease isn't that noticeable considering it's only on the outer edge. I'm only seated 9 feet from a 55" screen and it's perfect. There's a deal on it right now too that's hard to beat...

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3316904

Thanks. I knew their deals, but since they arent shown until you add them I didnt think theyw ere still valid. SO I can get this or I could get the 46 for 1427!

It doesnt add the narnia thing though so far or either. I will buy either the 46 or 55. Deciding.

edit: sigh. yeah so i can either get the 46 inch with standard delivery for $1427 or for a few hundred more get the 55 inch and glasses and narnia movie. I may go ahead and get the 55, but if aI decide it's too big I'm screwed not being able to get this good 46 inch price again.

edit2: well I ordered the 46 inch. So if I buy that narnia set from Amazon separately then I still save several hundred. What sucks though is that now I find out that store takes a LONG time to deliver. It may be 2 weeks or so before it shwos up, or it may be the end of this week.

So in that time I wills till be adjusting to my lg 55 inch and by the time this arrives I may wish I had purchased the 55 inch Sony.

edit: Since so few review this model and CNET ahsn't done it... I wonder who ahs the best calibration? I am kind of excited about purchasing this as I read it's even good at cleaning up bad video sources compared with other tvs. Uf only it had an extra compoent jack and I don't geta crease one I would be so happy... but the former can't happen. Now if only those sales would last another couple weeks I could get the 55 if the 46 is too small. I don't understand how 40 to 46 seems like a baby jump and yet 46 to 55 seems like a huge leap in size. I guess due to the area within those inches being more per inch as a tv starting size is bigger.
post #409 of 2584
Bummed, I just found my first dead pixel.
post #410 of 2584
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Originally Posted by Aquayonex View Post

Is it just me, or is that a bit of a FAIL on the part of Sony? I mean, having firmware upgrades but know even telling the consumer what you fixed seems a bit goofy.

I still have no idea what the "what's new" feature is in there last update.

Sigh...agreed. While I'm really glad to have the firmware updates ( remember the days when whatever you bought in the store was what you had to live with ?) Too bad Sony doesn't take a note from Apple and Microsoft and make their TV firmware upgrade details available in a timely manner.
post #411 of 2584
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Originally Posted by Mr-Homer View Post
Anyone? Is this normal?
I'll test mine for you today. Couple questions; where are the 3d source coming from? Sony's 3d experience? Blue ray disc? Ps3? In what location is this sound coming from? The speakers? Rear of the tv set? Top, Bottom?
post #412 of 2584
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Originally Posted by ace1281 View Post
I'll test mine for you today. Couple questions; where are the 3d source coming from? Sony's 3d experience? Blue ray disc? Ps3? In what location is this sound coming from? The speakers? Rear of the tv set? Top, Bottom?
Any source. I tried DirectTV's 3Net, Sony's 3d experiance, and even 'simulated' #D on any channel. Sound is coming from back of TV-- NOT the speakers. Seems louder on the top back corners of the tv. Thanks for trying.
post #413 of 2584
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Originally Posted by Mr-Homer View Post
Any source. I tried DirectTV's 3Net, Sony's 3d experiance, and even 'simulated' #D on any channel. Sound is coming from back of TV-- NOT the speakers. Seems louder on the top back corners of the tv. Thanks for trying.
Yeah I hear it too when playing 3d from top right vent holes on the back But it's extremely low. I have to place my ear next to the rear panel to hear it. Standing five feet away I can not hear anything. It sounds like a high pitch buzzing noise. I think it's normal.
post #414 of 2584
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Originally Posted by ace1281 View Post
Yeah I hear it too when playing 3d from top right vent holes on the back But it's extremely low. I have to place my ear next to the rear panel to hear it. Standing five feet away I can not hear anything. It sounds like a high pitch buzzing noise. I think it's normal.
Thanks! I feel a little better. I can hear it from 6 feet away. It's not terribly loud, but audible. If I have the volume up, I can't hear it. I thought it was just weird because with 3d DISabled, I hear absolutely nothing.
post #415 of 2584
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Originally Posted by Mr-Homer View Post
Thanks! I feel a little better. I can hear it from 6 feet away. It's not terribly loud, but audible. If I have the volume up, I can't hear it. I thought it was just weird because with 3d DISabled, I hear absolutely nothing.
Possibly the built in 3d transmitter making that noise. Either way shouldn't bother us since we rarely if ever watch tv without volume.
post #416 of 2584
Problems.

Today I was booting up a copy of Call of Duty and suddenly the TV seemed black. I could hear sound from the game coming through my sound system, so I knew the PS3 was still running. I could see the PS3 on, but the TV picture was off and there was a red light on the front blinking every couple seconds. I watched it for a bit, grabbed the remote and pressed power and the TV turned back on. The last time my TV (a different brand) did this it meant the power was going bad. Is this some kind of standby mode? Anyone else see this?
post #417 of 2584
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Originally Posted by Aquayonex View Post
Problems.

Today I was booting up a copy of Call of Duty and suddenly the TV seemed black. I could hear sound from the game coming through my sound system, so I knew the PS3 was still running. I could see the PS3 on, but the TV picture was off and there was a red light on the front blinking every couple seconds. I watched it for a bit, grabbed the remote and pressed power and the TV turned back on. The last time my TV (a different brand) did this it meant the power was going bad. Is this some kind of standby mode? Anyone else see this?
Check the hdmi cable. Reset it by unplugging both ends and re plugging it in. I had video issue in the past and it was the hdmi cable. Are you connecting ps3 straight to the tv or going through an amp?
post #418 of 2584
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Originally Posted by ace1281 View Post
Check the hdmi cable. Reset it by unplugging both ends and re plugging it in. I had video issue in the past and it was the hdmi cable. Are you connecting ps3 straight to the tv or going through an amp?
The connection goes through the receiver and then to the TV. But it doesn't make sense that a loose HDMI wire would cause the TV's internal system to short circuit. I would think it would just display no signal. And those wires haven't been touched since setup. And if the sound system is working fine, which is was through all of this I know it's not anything to do with the PS3->Receiver connection. It also seems odd that I could turn off and back on and it would be fine if its a connection issue, ya know?
post #419 of 2584
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Originally Posted by Aquayonex View Post

The connection goes through the receiver and then to the TV. But it doesn't make sense that a loose HDMI wire would cause the TV's internal system to short circuit. I would think it would just display no signal. And those wires haven't been touched since setup. And if the sound system is working fine, which is was through all of this I know it's not anything to do with the PS3->Receiver connection. It also seems odd that I could turn off and back on and it would be fine if its a connection issue, ya know?

It's not that the hdmi is loose, sometimes it has to be reset by unplugging it and plugging back in. If I had to guess, the problem is either the amp itself or hdmi cable out to the tv from the amp. If I had to troubleshoot it, I would flip flop the hdmi cables between the ps3/amp and amp/tv, but that's only if the problem recurs after unplugging and plugging the hdmi first.
post #420 of 2584
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Originally Posted by Aquayonex View Post

The connection goes through the receiver and then to the TV. But it doesn't make sense that a loose HDMI wire would cause the TV's internal system to short circuit. I would think it would just display no signal. And those wires haven't been touched since setup. And if the sound system is working fine, which is was through all of this I know it's not anything to do with the PS3->Receiver connection. It also seems odd that I could turn off and back on and it would be fine if its a connection issue, ya know?

Do you have the HX820 "presence sensor" on? If on and the TV doesn't detect movement/motion in its camera "field-of-view" then it turns off the display ( however the PS3 and sound system would continue to run....)
http://esupport.sony.com/docs/imanua...sor_uc_1a.html
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