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post #151 of 229
12/12/11 at 6:54pm
Wolfgang the picture is over 800 kilobyte, the forum only allows images of just over 500 kilobyte. Not going to bother to find one of those external imagehosts, have lost control over pictures in the past through those sites. No longer able being able to delete them, because they introduced an registration system for instance.

Hmm, Infinitec requires two projectors doesn't it.
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post #152 of 229
12/12/11 at 7:29pm
Or the color wheel from hell. NOT RECOMMENDED FOR BLU-ray (the color wheel). First menu is 2d then when movie starts you must switch to 3d (it is not automatic like on a flatscreen), a new firmware upgrade today permits finer control of the wheel , but the dolby wheel at skoll was losing sync if you hit 2d first and then 3d, you could get double image with glasses on. Todays fix solved it, but best do 2 projectors with infitec.
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post #153 of 229
12/13/11 at 11:03am
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donaldk i am sure you mean below 500kb right?

i send to you a below 400kb version 5 min. ago please post it.

yes peter best in "most cases" are a double stack but this have "as always" also some
disadvantages but all in all its the best i try so far.
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post #154 of 229
12/13/11 at 11:22am
Peter, I knew there was something with the Dolby version. Thanks for reminding it is a colorwheel. I assumed this was limited to the Dolbyversion, not the new filters. As I was told at ISE that Dolby had an exclusive license for the big (Cinema) projectors.

Wolfgang the limit is at just over 500 Kilobyte. Okay I will go and check my webmail.

Filetype, size, width and height criteria.
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And here's the picture formatted for the forum:
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post #155 of 229
12/26/11 at 11:32am
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i just watch "Pirates of the Caribbean 4" On Stranger Tides
in 3d with my stack.
its the first time i saw "a real not a animated" 3d 2.35 format movie with my new setup.
some daylight seq. looks very good at least as good as some advatar 3d bd seq.but at some dark seq. i can see some
compression bugs looks like noise.
at my first row i watch some 20 min.at only 0,6 times the screen wide.
far to close!
bd not have the resolution to sit that close and the only 24p there is a nightmare especially in 3d.
there my passive stack not helps.
than i try the last row at 1,5 times the screen wide.
very nice as it was sharp and good but the best is my now secound row at
1.0 times the screen wide in distance.
there the picture is very big but ok to watch as it was still ok resolution wise
with bd 3d material.

with older tests i did i come to the conclusion that bd in 3d the best distance is in the 1.0 to 1.25 times the screen wide.
my 4k 3d still are best between 0,75 to 1.0 times the screen wide in distance.
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post #156 of 229
12/28/11 at 6:16am
Pirates of the Caribbean, while shot in 3D was not the best. Some Shots stand out very well. such as the mermaid scenes and give a bit more depth.

Best movies for 3d I have watched are Avatar, Step up 3D(yah I know but the 3d scenes are really nice) Tangled is great. Transformers 3(saw this in theater and its coming out on Jan 31st) Rio, Those are my stand outs right now.

Pirates while shot in 3D was not planned well.
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post #157 of 229
12/28/11 at 6:33am
Wolfgang Pirates of the Caribbean while good is not as spectacular as FINAL DESTINATION 5 3D is the best use of 3D I have yet to see.

It is sold here in Best Buy.
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post #158 of 229
1/4/12 at 10:00am
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Mr. Trumbull invented the showscan 60 fps process in giant wrap around sigma torus screens, more real than real....
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post #159 of 229
1/4/12 at 2:28pm
Thread Starter 
peter nice you can go.
i like to be there but i cant go.

it will be a big day for you i am sure.

ask them what we will see in 4k in 3d?
48 or 60 frame or both and everybody can select one or the other?
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post #160 of 229
1/4/12 at 2:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

peter nice you can go.
i like to be there but i cant go.

it will be a big day for you i am sure.

ask them what we will see in 4k in 3d?
48 or 60 frame or both and everybody can select one or the other?

I dont expect any 4K 3D in 2012...
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post #161 of 229
1/4/12 at 2:43pm
I want to go
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post #162 of 229
1/4/12 at 2:45pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mporlier View Post

I dont expect any 4K 3D in 2012...

may not in cinema but very likely in my home

but only at 2x 24 frames
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post #163 of 229
1/7/12 at 11:08am
Just wait till you see 3D in 8K Projection :-D
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post #164 of 229
1/7/12 at 11:21am
So, you're testing Sony's answer to the 'compact' JVC 8K projector...
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post #165 of 229
1/7/12 at 11:27am
No - I'm testing the JVC 8K Projectors and 8K Camera. But they are not ready for PRIME TIME, yet!
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post #166 of 229
1/7/12 at 3:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by DefinerOfReality View Post

No - I'm testing the JVC 8K Projectors and 8K Camera. But they are not ready for PRIME TIME, yet!

Incredible!
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post #167 of 229
1/7/12 at 5:30pm
Yeah I talked to one on the Japanese engineers at IBC, and he explained that it could be made available for sale, but he would have to refer me to one of associates if I was realy interested. However he explained that it is an JVC projector, but the various subsections were made by various parts of the JVC-Kenwood company, so integration was the issue, sounded like no-one was in charge yet of getting things together for building units beyond the few demo-units used for the NHK-led Super Hi-Vision project. The box that was sitting on a shelf outside the SHV demo heater deserved the name compact, used on the label, can't remember if it had a serial number on it;-).

The image of the JVC projector was considerably better than that provided by the Sharp 8K LCD, though, that displayed serious issues at IBC, even to my untrained eye.
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post #168 of 229
1/8/12 at 2:04am
Thread Starter 
the sharp 8k lcd was a true 8k display.
the jvc pr. have 4k chips inside and do some tricks (very likely the same as the do with there new 2k consumer lcos pr.) and vibrate a prisma to get the 8k so far i understand it.

it sounds a bit that this pr. can not show the full true 8k signal the camera record same as there new 2k locos consumer pr. that not can show native 4k content.

Jeremy
with true 4k souce material perfect displayed i am fine.
the advantages 8k will have is to sit even more close to the picture.

as i sit with 4k 3d stills already 0,8 times the screen wide in distance(thats already very close)
and i can see at this place that the details at this distance are still outstandig
you must go even more close to the screen may in the lower than 0,6 times the screen wide to benifit from 8k.

but there most people feel that they are sitting "too" close.
may for stills its a option but for movies the studios produce today
with "cut" "cut" "cut" no way.
may in the next few years will hopefully see a revival of the way the shot moves 50 years ago where they the gives us viewer some time to adjust
to the new sequence.
there is no need to go back to 2001 with extrem long seq. but a good mix will
be nice.
the "cut" "cut" "cut" annoys even younger people more often more and more.

i dont know if i will see in my live 8k in 3d as i am not sure how long it will take and how
long i live but as we see only the beginning of 4k with the very first
equipments it will take some years to bring this to the people.
the next years will be the 4k years till in may 10 years 8k will come.

but no question if some day true 8k in 3d will be there and i can have a system from record to process to display that i can run and afford i will take it
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post #169 of 229
1/8/12 at 1:06pm
You missed that JVC introduced proper 8K LCoS panels about a year after they introduced that high-contrast projector using 4K RGB panels and a single 8K panel for lightmodulation? And an 8K projector following that.

So, Wolfgang are you sure it was playing tricks? The infoshield above the shelfunit on display, did mention 8k panels and no shifting in the lightpath was to be seen in the diagram.

Jeremy, could you shed light on this?

As for rapid sequences of hard cuts, I had dificulty with the Spiderman sequence in the original SRX 110 demo at ISE 2005, not even sitting close. And there was a noticable stutter in the tracked rider shot scanned from 70 mm. 'Yes it remains film', I was told, so Super Hi-Vision quickly need sto move away from that 60 frames per second to at least 600 fps. That should help in motion tracking, somewhat.
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post #170 of 229
1/8/12 at 1:44pm
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i am not 100 % sure but i hear this from a very reliable source.
when it has three 8 k nativ lcos chips inside very nice.

jememy should know it.
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post #171 of 229
1/8/12 at 1:49pm
Thread Starter 
i connect today first time my hd tv stb on and found that the pr. itself
(dvi a input without the doremi 4k imb) can deinterlace
1920x1080 50 and 60i material.
sad they use the full wide of the panel so 4096x2160 and not the right
3840x2160.
i can not found a adjustment to switch to the right 3840x2160 but may its inside.
mark do you know?

when i switch the stb to output 1920x1080 50 or 60p than the pr. scale it up
right to 3840x2160.
why this can not be the case for interlace 1920x1080 50 and 60i?

i try also to feed direct from the bd player 1920x1080 at 60i and p and it works just fine.
i wonder as i got long time ago the info the even at full hd 60p is not possible but it is
possible.
480i and 576i not works at all.


than i try the demension 3d from doremi with 1920x1080 50i 3d side by side from
our pay tv hd station sky.
it works but it seams it can not match the input freq. at 50 so i have to select
25p that show motion problems as this is only half of the feq.and the picture studder a bit.

i also try the jvc consumer hd 3d cam that output as all other consumer 3d cam
the frame packing for interlace 1920x1080 2x 60i 3d.
the dimension 3d from doremi not understand this signal at all.

i hope the will impelment 50 and 60 p out and this defacto 3d standard for consumer
3d cams the frame packing for interlace and let them output it as a 50 or 60p
per eye.
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post #172 of 229
1/9/12 at 1:04pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by donaldk View Post

You missed that JVC introduced proper 8K LCoS panels about a year after they introduced that high-contrast projector using 4K RGB panels and a single 8K panel for lightmodulation? And an 8K projector following that.

So, Wolfgang are you sure it was playing tricks? The infoshield above the shelfunit on display, did mention 8k panels and no shifting in the lightpath was to be seen in the diagram.

Jeremy, could you shed light on this?

As for rapid sequences of hard cuts, I had dificulty with the Spiderman sequence in the original SRX 110 demo at ISE 2005, not even sitting close. And there was a noticable stutter in the tracked rider shot scanned from 70 mm. 'Yes it remains film', I was told, so Super Hi-Vision quickly need sto move away from that 60 frames per second to at least 600 fps. That should help in motion tracking, somewhat.

ok seams no one know for sure so i tell you what i found out today.

there was almost 2 years ago a 4k pr. from jvc that have only one true 8k chip the other 2 chips that produce the color was a 4k chip.

now the latest 8k pr. from jvc contains three 4k chips and as i thought
they use the same as there new 2k consumer lcos pr. did the vibrate
a glass in front of the 4k chips.
that is not a 100% true 8k pr.

may someone can confirm this or tell us a different story.
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post #173 of 229
1/10/12 at 3:37pm
See Below:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3DGizmologia%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DJcS%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-USfficial%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=es&twu=1&u=http://hiperdef.com/2011/01/llegan-los-proyectores-a-8k-de-la-mano-de-nhk-y-jvc&usg=ALkJrhiul733KNRGkM-Bp2diiVEFVo0J7w

and PDF here:

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13262384321017
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post #174 of 229
1/10/12 at 5:36pm
I have a hard time to see the benefit of going to 8k displays without even having 4k content ready for purchase on a consumer level.

True 4k software and programming would be so incredibly good that it would satisfy all but the most demanding tastes at 60 Hz and above refresh rates and I wish that we would get this sooner rather than later and not having to wait an additional 5 or more years in the case of TV programming just because the move is from HD resolution directly to 8k which is much harder to do. Give us 4k soon and worry about 8k later!
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post #175 of 229
1/14/12 at 6:03am
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i got the info that the event from barco with the 4k pr. and laser dlp
and high frame rates some days ago are not show 4k with high frame rates.
just 2k material upscale to 4k was show in high frame rates.

i wonder if this is true may
Marc Porlier may you know it?

did you see my post nr. 171 see here again the copy down?
may you can take a look into this.

"""i connect today first time my hd tv stb on and found that the pr. itself
(dvi a input without the doremi 4k imb) can deinterlace
1920x1080 50 and 60i material.
sad they use the full wide of the panel so 4096x2160 and not the right
3840x2160.
i can not found a adjustment to switch to the right 3840x2160 but may its inside.
mark do you know?

when i switch the stb to output 1920x1080 50 or 60p than the pr. scale it up
right to 3840x2160.
why this can not be the case for interlace 1920x1080 50 and 60i?"""
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post #176 of 229
1/14/12 at 6:12am
Thread Starter 
the germany leading home cinema magazine "Audio Vision"
have in the new february 2012 issue a 4 page long report about my cinema.

its made in a interview style (very funny to read!) with some nice pictures inside that most are already post here in this tread.

may some one here know a tool that let me translate the german at the pdf
into english?
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post #177 of 229
1/14/12 at 8:35am
Sure is it online?

Is it locked?

If not, Google Translate allows for 'translate a document'. Try to see if it accepts PDF's.

Otherwise the Text will be translatable by pasting it in the textbox.

http://translate.google.nl
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post #178 of 229
1/15/12 at 5:09pm
Wolfgang did Google manage to translate the pdf/article? German isn't a problem for me, thanks to Folgen aus der Reihe Derrick, and die serien Der Alte, der alte Der Alte, to be precise;-).
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post #179 of 229
1/16/12 at 10:46am
Thread Starter 
donalk
no the artikle is not online so far i understand.
the magazine like that people buy there magazine and so far i know they not offer
the report online for payment.

please send me a pm to my normally mail adress.
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post #180 of 229
1/16/12 at 11:19am
Okay, I could only find older issues on usenet. I had come across issues in the past. Many of the German tech magazines started offering a cover cd with the print issue, including pdf versions of the mag on the cd.
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