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post #31 of 125
One other thing, is it possible that some versions of the case have a power supply that pulls air up from inside the case? The reason I ask is that I actually don't feel any air blowing by the fan by off the back of the power supply I feel hot air coming out. I think most PSUs that I've used in past builds have all been like this.

In this case, I'll probably try using the case fan as intake first.

In case you're interested, with the stock PSU, i3-2100, and Silverstone NT07, my stock temps are hovering just above 50 degrees Celsius according to Speedfan. I'll have to see what adding the case fan does to it.
post #32 of 125
All fine and dandy till heat destroy's it. I mean what is the point here, cram as much as you can into a small box and see what happens? Far from my idea of a stable quite and cool HTPC.
post #33 of 125
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All fine and dandy till heat destroy's it. I mean what is the point here, cram as much as you can into a small box and see what happens? Far from my idea of a stable quite and cool HTPC.

Did you even look at my temps? They are listed.

Edit: I don't build hot HTPCs

post #34 of 125
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The whole point of this build was that it was 1/2 experiment (that I was 95% sure would work) and 1/2 a new build for me.

These aren't the CPU and Hard Drives of even a few years ago. They are powerful -AND- run cool. So building a box like this one is absolutely doable as I have proven.
post #35 of 125
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1 week update...

I have been running this HTPC non-stop for about a week now.

Still very impressed. Temps are still in the 35-40C range. It is whisper quiet from across the room. No issues so far!
post #36 of 125
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All fine and dandy till heat destroy's it. I mean what is the point here, cram as much as you can into a small box and see what happens? Far from my idea of a stable quite and cool HTPC.

Heat? He's already posted screen shots and the system is running quite cool. Throwing all those drives in there wasn't the route I went with my HTPC, but just because it's not for you doesn't mean this build isn't quiet/cool.

Glad to hear the system is working out for you, assassin! This forum is great for people doing new things. My build is boring but at least I can live vicariously through you
post #37 of 125
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Wanted to update.

I want to offer full disclosure on this build --- both good and bad.

Yesterday the HTPC was making a slight clicking noise. I opened the case and discovered that the 120mm fan had shifted ever so slightly and one of the blades was just nicking the frame of the fan. So I repositioned it and the clicking went away. I left one of the cover screws completely out (1 out of the 4) and the clicking has gone away completely.

A very very minor problem but just wanted to fully disclose.

Otherwise the build is plugging away like a champ. No other issues at all and temps are still in the 40 C range. Its still extremely quiet and just barely audible in a completely silent room.
post #38 of 125
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Another update on this build.

I have been wanting to experiment with a PICO psu and thought this would be a good build to test. So I removed the Seasonic PSU and replaced it with a 120 watt PICO PSU.

In this shot you can see my HTPC before the PICO.



Here you can see the PICO on the left and the "old" PSU on the right.



Here is the inside compared to before. Quite a remarkable difference. Cable management followed.



This is a custom backplate for the PICO Psu made by Stardog Champion. He does some great work and I have used his plates on multiple builds now.



All in all I am very happy. I will report back if there are any issues.
post #39 of 125
Nice update, Assn. Welcome to the PicoPSU club! How are the temps and power draw now?
post #40 of 125
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Nice update, Assn. Welcome to the PicoPSU club! How are the temps and power draw now?

I haven't hooked up the Killawatt yet.

Temps are about the same. They are running in the 40-45C range which I think is excellent given this little case and how much stuff I have crammed into it.
post #41 of 125
Assassin,

Can mATX Intel Motherboard GA-H67MA-USB3-B3 LGA 1155 H67 use with a 120 watt PICO PSU. Thanks.
post #42 of 125
The most I've seen my mATX H61 setup (i3-2100, 64GB SSD, 320GB HDD, Blu-ray ROM, tuner card, 2GB DDR3, Antec EA-380D PSU) is under 60W and that was at full-load. I would think an H67 setup would be similiar and well under 120W.

Assassin, that's one nice looking backplate you have there .
post #43 of 125
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Assassin,

Can mATX Intel Motherboard GA-H67MA-USB3-B3 LGA 1155 H67 use with a 120 watt PICO PSU. Thanks.

Absolutely.
post #44 of 125
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could a shuriken fit in place of the stock Intel CPU cooler?

No way. Not a chance.

How about a kozuti? I'd link to it but not enough posts! It's on the scythe website and was reviewed by spcr.

110x103x40mm :-D
post #45 of 125
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I haven't hooked up the Killawatt yet.

Temps are about the same. They are running in the 40-45C range which I think is excellent given this little case and how much stuff I have crammed into it.

Assassin,

If you have a chance, please inspect the glue of the velcro with the temps you report to see if it melts.

I like the idea of fitting as many drives as you're able to cramm in the case, but I'm a bit nervous about the glue melting onto other components rendering them inoperable.

Thanks
post #46 of 125
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Assassin,

If you have a chance, please inspect the glue of the velcro with the temps you report to see if it melts.

I like the idea of fitting as many drives as you're able to cramm in the case, but I'm a bit nervous about the glue melting onto other components rendering them inoperable.

Thanks

No melting. I don't use glue --- just the minimal adhesive that comes on the velcro strips.

I have been running this thing almost 24-7 since the inception of this thread. No issues and no hardware problems.

I am a full disclosure kind of guy.
post #47 of 125
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Originally Posted by murtoz View Post

How about a kozuti? I'd link to it but not enough posts! It's on the scythe website and was reviewed by spcr.

110x103x40mm :-D

I think this would fit. I may try it out later although the stock CPU fan is working great and is completely inaudible.
post #48 of 125
Did you put the 120mm back in or do you just have the 80mm fan?

I made a plate for myself with a 60mm fan mounted on the plate. However, I also have that same 120mm so I might give that a try. Not that there's anything wrong with the 60mm fan or temps but I'd like to try it, especially since my 120mm fan is PWM and it'd be one less thing connected to the picoPSU (less messy wiring).
post #49 of 125
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Did you put the 120mm back in or do you just have the 80mm fan?

I made a plate for myself with a 60mm fan mounted on the plate. However, I also have that same 120mm so I might give that a try. Not that there's anything wrong with the 60mm fan or temps but I'd like to try it, especially since my 120mm fan is PWM and it'd be one less thing connected to the picoPSU (less messy wiring).

I left the 120mm fan out.

So I just have the 80mm fan pushing air in.

When I had both connected they were connected to the motherboard chassis fan header via a splitter.
post #50 of 125
Assassin, Where did you buy the picopsu? Is it a re branded one or the original one?
post #51 of 125
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Originally Posted by murtoz View Post

How about a kozuti? I'd link to it but not enough posts! It's on the scythe website and was reviewed by spcr.

110x103x40mm :-D

May I ask why would you want to replace the stock heat sink?
post #52 of 125
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I am going to keep seeing what this little build can do...

Tonight I ordered the Cooler Master Hyper 101. Its the little brother of the incredible Cooler Master Hyper 212 (which obviously can't fit in this case).

The case is 5.1" tall and this cooler is 4.5" tall. Should be an interesting upgrade.

Hyper 212 (left)
Hyper 101 (center)
Stock Intel (right)



There is nothing wrong with the Intel stock cooler and it is almost completely quiet. But I want to see what else I can do since I am using the PICO PSU now.

Stay tuned...
post #53 of 125
What is the temperature application shown in your screenshot?
post #54 of 125
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Originally Posted by Scallica View Post

What is the temperature application shown in your screenshot?

ASRock AXTU (Extreme Tuning Utility) which is used with ASRock motherboards.
post #55 of 125
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EDIT: 9/9/2011 - Installation of new CPU Cooler

Today I received my CoolerMaster Hyper 101 and I was able to continue my experiment. I think I can safely say that there is no one else on earth that has a HTPC quite like mine.

The first thing I did of course was remove the stock Intel 2100 CPU cooler and compare it to my new cooler. Here you can see the old and the new.





Here is a shot of the CPU all cleaned up and ready for its new cooler.



Here you can see the major problem that I ran into. The copper pegs of the CPU cooler were too tall. If I could remove these it would fit perfectly.




After uninstalling the CPU cooler from the motherboard and taking a hacksaw to it I was able to make a new custom cooler. Do not try this at home! Please also note that this likely destroys your heatpipe and possibly can damage your CPU. As I am not afraid to experiment I thought I would give this a try.




Now you can see how well this fits in the case. Not much wiggle room and the support bar from the case applies pressure to the fan ever so slightly but not enough to really stress the motherboard. I wish there was just a little bit of room between the cooler and the case cover.





A few more view of everything installed.





A now some Kill-a-Watt readings with the PICO PSU and my new CPU cooler in place.

At idle on Windows Desktop (27 watts!!!)


While playing 1080p Wall-E non-compressed Bluray MKV (33 watts)


While sleeping (2 watts)


Temps have been in the 40-45 C range. I started playing Wall-E and left it going while typing this and the temperature is now around 50 C. I think these will drop a few degrees once the Arctic Silver settles in.

Also as you probably noticed I am using a Noctua 80mm fan on the Hyper 101 CPU cooler. I am using the Low Noise adapter and running the fan at 1300RPM although I can't hear the damn thing at all and I am thinking about running it at the stock 1800RPM to decrease the temps a few degrees.

This thing is quiet. I think my experiment is almost done. And I still have room for TWO more hard drives!!!!!!!!
post #56 of 125
See my comment about destroyed heat pipes in your HTPC Guide thread.
post #57 of 125
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It very well may be that they are destroyed. But as they wouldn't have fit anyway I decided to cut them to see what happens.

Like I said --- don't try this at home!

But like I posted in the other thread this is an experiment. Let's see what happens.

BTW the cooler was only $20. So if this doesn't work no big deal.
post #58 of 125
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Well as you all have shown me this didn't work. CPU temps were at 60C and climbing so I shut it down and re-installed the Intel CPU cooler (which was working perfectly fine by the way). Temps are now at 35C at idle and everything is as quiet as before.

That was a fun experiment. So know that just because this case is 5.1" tall and this heatsink is 4.5" tall it will not fit. They do not measure the height of the caps with that 4.5" and that is the dealbreaker. Also don't cut your heatpipes as this makes the whole cooler worthless (or at least much less effective).

So I am back to my Frankenstein of a HTPC build. I will keep experimenting though. That is what is fun.
post #59 of 125
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... I think I can safely say that there is no one else on earth that has a HTPC quite like mine ...

Actually, mine's almost exactly the same except:

It's the Rosewill version of the case.
My super-cool, fantastic PSU backplate has a 60mm fan in it.

Otherwise I have that case, a 120W picoPSU, 120mm fan, SSD velcroed in with a 3.5" HDD, i3-2100, H61, tuner card, USB wireless N dongle and RF keyboard dongle.

Sorry to hear the cooler didn't work out. That was a great idea. You can't know what works w/o some experimenting. Keep up the good work!
post #60 of 125
I've been trying to take pictures of my build, that is very similar to this one, but I didn't have anytime yet. I'm dealing with a very loud CPU fan and I found myself using the Asrock utility all the time to lower the speed of it but after a while it goes back to the full speed. Do you have the same issue? That and an undervolted Panaflo are the only fans in my build. What are the ideal temperatures for this case?
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