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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
OK so I am a bit of a noobie and probably will never have enough time to learn/research all that I need to so any help is much appreciated.

I setup a small home theater a couple years ago- HD projector, OTA HDTV tuner, Xbox360 and DVD player. Recently have added/upgraded with a HTPC and BR player. Initially used a small set of 5.1 Dayton speakers + sub for sound but am slowly replacing speakers for better sound. My biggest mistake to date was buying a low end AVR that didnt pass HDMI audio and I want to get HD audio now from the BR. But it was cheap and has served me well for 5 years. So I want to purchase a new AVR with the following considerations:

- needs to be mid level, 2 kids in college soon, so ~$500 budget or less
- currently running 5.1 and going to 7.1 or more is difficult due to the room but having the option of 7.1 would be nice
- probably will not need 2 zones but again option is nice
- audessey is nice but not a deal breaker as is 3D pass through
- an important option is to be able to drive 4 ohm speakers at some point in the future. I recently built tritrix tl for L/R mains and will be adding a center soon and better sats eventually. But I enjoyed the diy speaker thing and can see more in the future but there are not a lot of 8 ohm designs especially ones that would be an improvement over the Tritrix I have now. So from what I have read, a 4 ohm speced AVR is out of my budget as are pre/pro amps.

So are there AVR options with pre-outs that meet my needs? That way I can add separate amps when/if I ever need 4 ohm speakers driven. The room is fairly small and I dont need huge amounts of power. My current 80 wpc Sony AVR never is pushed and I have a powered subwoofer. Thanks and sorry for the novel, tried to anticipate most questions
post #2 of 18
Even thou its a factory referb its one to look at... given the specs you are looking for

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html
post #3 of 18
Well, the "only" receivers to use Audyssey are Denon and Onkyo...everybody else(even Sony) has their own room correction.

The only two brands of AVR that I would trust($500 and under) to run 4ohm speakers are HK and Onkyo...
The Yamaha RX-V667/867(better hurry before they are GONE) are about the ONLY AVR under $500 with pre-outs.

so...
to power the speakers themselves...

Onkyo TX NR609(can be had for $500-ish)/last years TX SR608*
HK 2600/3600/2650

To use with another amplifier...

Yamaha RX-V667/867(I would trust these as well to push 4ohm. These ARE NOT a $500 receiver. These just happen to be last year stragglers that had way too much inventory left over. Yamaha, again, got spanked by Onkyo and Denon.)


HK has its own room correction call EZSet...
Yamaha uses YPAO which uses a BLANKET crossover...and is "intended" for the 5(or 7) speakers to match...or at least be comparable in abilities.

Both EZSet and Audyssey have multiple crossover points...so you can choose tower front speakers and still put them down to 40hz in the crossover.

*full disclosure on the 608(and 708 if you find one in your price range as a refurb)...
They have a "known failure" possibility. It DOES NOT affect every one of them made. There is an Onkyo press release about this wiring problem. I affects how the front face plate of the receiver interacts with the rest of the AVR, as in you loose control of the AVR...even with the remote. Onkyo has stated that specific problem is covered for as long as the receiver is "working otherwise". So if you buy one, then 4 years later, long after the original warranty is over...Onkyo will still fix it)
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by skally
Even thou its a factory referb its one to look at... given the specs you are looking for

www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR708KIT/Onkyo-TX-NR708-7.2-Channel-3-D-Ready-Network-A/V-Receiver/1.html
Stay away from any of the Xx08 Onkyo AVRs. They have been failing at a high rate. For more info, there is a large thread about failures across the line and Onkyo's dubious handling of the manufacturing defect.
post #5 of 18
I'd look at this Marantz. 4ohms should be no problem.

http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CGoQ8wIwAQ#
post #6 of 18
Bfreedma

Would you please go back to the failure thread since 6/21??? Would you please? Pretty please???

Onkyo released an announcement stating...(this applies to ALL X08 receivers)

"We are aware of the failure of these receivers. This particular failure will be taken care of, regardless of warranty status of the receiver".

Meaning, this failure(which you are a propagating doomsdayer) is being taken care of...even on receivers that are...

1. Bought from an un-authorized source.
2. Used.
3. Doesn't apply yet...but even after the 2 year warranty is over.

So shut up about it, unless you wish to provide FULL DISCLOSURE of the problem.

P.S...

On threads where I am offering up advice which includes the X08 receivers...I am including information on the possible problem...AND on the solution that is already out there.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by schan1269 View Post

Bfreedma

Would you please go back to the failure thread since 6/21??? Would you please? Pretty please???

Onkyo released an announcement stating...(this applies to ALL X08 receivers)

"We are aware of the failure of these receivers. This particular failure will be taken care of, regardless of warranty status of the receiver".

Meaning, this failure(which you are a propagating doomsdayer) is being taken care of...even on receivers that are...

1. Bought from an un-authorized source.
2. Used.
3. Doesn't apply yet...but even after the 2 year warranty is over.

So shut up about it, unless you wish to provide FULL DISCLOSURE of the problem.

P.S...

On threads where I am offering up advice which includes the X08 receivers...I am including information on the possible problem...AND on the solution that is already out there.

I'm a doomsayer also and will stick to it. Why does ANYONE buy an AVR from anyone that comes with an important message that says this unit will probably fail so therefore we are telling you in advance that you will have to deal with our unusually pathetic customer service department in order for you to be without a brand new AVR you purchased from us? We issue this disclaimer knowing full well that this a defective model year. As well as all of the others we made in the last few years. We will let you know at a later time if our X09 models will do the same thing, if you buy from us we will stand behind our product, you just have to deal with the hassles. What is wrong with you?
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by schan1269 View Post

Bfreedma

Would you please go back to the failure thread since 6/21??? Would you please? Pretty please???

Onkyo released an announcement stating...(this applies to ALL X08 receivers)

"We are aware of the failure of these receivers. This particular failure will be taken care of, regardless of warranty status of the receiver".

Meaning, this failure(which you are a propagating doomsdayer) is being taken care of...even on receivers that are...

1. Bought from an un-authorized source.
2. Used.
3. Doesn't apply yet...but even after the 2 year warranty is over.

So shut up about it, unless you wish to provide FULL DISCLOSURE of the problem.

P.S...

On threads where I am offering up advice which includes the X08 receivers...I am including information on the possible problem...AND on the solution that is already out there.

Schan, you must be one heck of a "professional installer". Still willing to recommend hardware with known problems.

Why would I or anyone else want to play Russian Roulette with a receiver that could fail at any time, when there are other excellent products from other companies which won't require me to cross my fingers and hope for the best every time I turn it on.

You make a fine shill for the brand you sell and install. I look forward to seeing posts from your customers after they find AVS and realize you withheld information as they wait weeks or months for Onkyo to repair an AVR they will need to disconnect then reconnect, always a miserable job. Those will be quite entertaining.

Btw, I did reference the thread, so concerned parties can read the whole sordid story. Those interested should focus on how Onkyo treated customers for months before being forced to admit the units had a fatal flaw. The fact that you want me to "shut up" speaks volumes about your professionalism.

I'm glad you don't sell cars: I know the Pinto's have a history of exploding, but don't worry, if you buy one from good old Schan, I'll fix it for you after the flames subside.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by schan1269 View Post

Well, the "only" receivers to use Audyssey are Denon and Onkyo...everybody else(even Sony) has their own room correction.

Marantz and NAD also use Audyssey in some of their receivers.
post #10 of 18
I will go on recommending Onkyo, because unlike you two, I realize it ISN'T an every receiver/pre-pro problem.

My DHC 80.2 falls outside the serial numbers affected....of course that may change.

For the intents and purposes of this persons thread(as in the OP) with a $500 budget, I chose to leave out Marantz(which is a Denon clone anyway) and NAD(is there one in his price range with it?).

It doesn't help the OP to say "Well Marantz has Audyssey, and so does this brand over here....but your budget won't touch them."
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by schan1269 View Post

I will go on recommending Onkyo, because unlike you two, I realize it ISN'T an every receiver/pre-pro problem.

."

What % would have to fail before you stopped recommending them to people looking for advice?

Just curious where your cutoff is?

Personally, I don't recommend components with large scale known issues
post #12 of 18
My experience with the X08/X0.2*(via 3 B&M, 5 custom installers and the rest via "the web") accounts for approximately 2500 receivers. So far less than 150 have failed. You also have to realize that, except for the 3008/5008, there are "no more" new ones. By now they are all refurb/open box.

It would take 300(or a significant portion over 10%) for me to stop recommending them.

Of 150-ish I am privy to, over 100 have already been fixed and maybe 5 had to go in a second time.

I do know of 1 that has been a complete basket case.

*Onkyo and Integra
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Lots to think about. Thanks for all the info and recommendations. Couple more questions. Are all the various room correction technologies considered equal or is Audyssey considered the cream of the crop? I am not someone who needs (or can ) spend more money to get a 5% better return on performance so if Audyssey isnt significantly better, than other good techs are fine. I have bought lots of refurbs over the years and generally have had good luck with them. Does anyone know if a refurb Onkyo 708 would have a better chance of having the issue fixed? I do not want to take sides on the debate here but if there is still a good chance of a unit failing, I will pass unless the deal is too incredible. Although it does appear that Onkyo is stepping up, I dont have the time to be disconnecting and returning units. I would rather spend my time watching movies and killing noobs in MW2!
post #14 of 18
ime, having used both mcacc and audyssey xt extensively, and now using xt32, the audyssey flavor of room correction is "better" simply because it works on the subwoofer channel as well, and that's the area that needs the most work in the great majority of rooms...
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
The Marantz SR5005 looks about right feature and price wise. ANy other comments on this unit?
post #16 of 18
The 5005 is nice receiver. Power should be good and it also has preamp outputs. It doesn't have networking and the on screen display is not that great. If those features are not important then I would say go for it.
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by HOTDIGITY View Post

I'd look at this Marantz. 4ohms should be no problem.

http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CGoQ8wIwAQ#

I love my Marantz 6005--and since it is part of the Denon group, it does also have Audyssey which I personally consider a must have option.
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

The 5005 is nice receiver. Power should be good and it also has preamp outputs. It doesn't have networking and the on screen display is not that great. If those features are not important then I would say go for it.

I use my xbox360 for streaming - Netflix, HD recorded TV, movies etc. and it works very well. Is there something that a networked AVR could do that I would be missing on the xbox? If not I think the Marantz 5005 is perfect.
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