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post #121 of 844
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Originally Posted by Coligion View Post

I see a lot of owners of the PV400/450 seem a tad unsatisfied with the black levels on these sets. When watching a widescreen movie with black bars in a dark room, how easy is it to tell the difference from the black bezel and the black bars produced by the TV?

How much heat are these guys producing? A lot of plasma TVs can easily warm up small rooms, so I'd be curious what the consensus is on these units heat output.

johnnynucleo seems to be referencing some fluctuating brightness issues. Does this set exhibit the same problems as the Panasonic ST/GT models, or is it merely the sensor acting up? Thanks!

There are no floating blacks of any type on this set. The person you are talking about had there settings wacked out. Meaning the had the APS mode on which does exactly what he was talking about. Imo there isn't any reason at all to have it on.

As for black level. It only sucks when using test screens. During actual content the blacks will not bother you in any way at all. I could take a few pics of black content on the screen to give you an idea. It would look different in your home. But its better then nothing lol.

As for heat output. I'm very surprised on this set. That and IR. When you 1st start up the set you will get IR. But, I literally would only get it when using menus. It seems after using it for a while. IR pretty much is gone. BTW, I'm an avid gamer. I play for hours at a time. Not once have I seen my ammo count stuck into the screen. Which is a bit of a surprise given my other sets do show ammo count.

Same thing goes with heat. It isn't hot at all! No hotter then a normal lcd. I know. Sounds like BS but It's true. No buzz either. Even if you place you ear to the back of the set. Silent. Best advice. Try it out. See if you like it. Personally. I think its worth every time and find it very hard to consider other sets.
post #122 of 844
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Originally Posted by wilsonzhang2005 View Post

Not sure why you would want to trun film mode off. One of the major selling point of thsi model is its ability to do 5:5 pulldown for 24p contents. If you turn this off, then your blu-ray contents will had judders during panning. besides, I don't think it will impact the color in any way.

What improvements do you see after your chnage vs Blacknoir's?

I do not understand where you get 5:5 pulldown for this model. I have never seen 5:5 pulldown spec'd for a plasma. LCDs, yes. The spec sheet for the 50PV400 says it does 3:3 pulldown for 1080p24 input via HDMI called 24p Real Cinema. This is the model Costco sells. Can any owners verify it does 3:3 pulldown correctly, i.e., that it displays 1080p24 Blu-ray content at 72 Hz refresh rate?
post #123 of 844
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Originally Posted by skillz73187 View Post

I think you have the light sensor on you need to turn that off

Not sure what the light sensor is, how do I turn off?

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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Check your energy saver modes. Sounds like you have em on.

Funny, this is the first thing I thought of because the brightness issue seems as though the energy saver is on, but I checked and it's off. The weird thing is the energy save option in the menu is greyed out, is this normal? Is this greyed out for anyone else? I can't even turn on if I wanted to.

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Originally Posted by Coligion View Post


johnnynucleo seems to be referencing some fluctuating brightness issues. Does this set exhibit the same problems as the Panasonic ST/GT models, or is it merely the sensor acting up? Thanks!

Yes, this is really the case for me. It's super noticeable but as poster below mentions, maybe my Dynamic contrast is set to high, I"ll have to see when I get home. What sensor would be acting up though?

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Originally Posted by lifesun View Post

The only fluctuation that I notice is in scene changes if you run the dynamic contrast on high, on low its barely noticeable, and with it off the issue disappears completely.

Thanks for the tip.
post #124 of 844
Turning the option off should be in the option menu...
post #125 of 844
Ive had the pv450 for a couple of weeks now and am really happy with it. Picked it up at Video Only. Was going to get the pv400 at Costco until I went into VO and they matched the Costco pv400 price and upgraded me to the pv450. Have noticed next to zero IR. Brightness fluctuation was a problem during the viewing of the first blu-ray but has since subsided. Would anyone be kind enough to share insight to some killer calibrations
on this amazing set. Thanks
post #126 of 844
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Originally Posted by jdnathan11 View Post

Ive had the pv450 for a couple of weeks now and am really happy with it. Picked it up at Video Only. Was going to get the pv400 at Costco until I went into VO and they matched the Costco pv400 price and upgraded me to the pv450. Have noticed next to zero IR. Brightness fluctuation was a problem during the viewing of the first blu-ray but has since subsided. Would anyone be kind enough to share insight to some killer calibrations
on this amazing set. Thanks

The pv450 is the same set as the pv400. The pv400 is a model number they made just for costco
post #127 of 844
I'm coming from a Sony SXRD rear projection. Some comparisons:

Sony SXRD
+ Natural color (no dithering)
+ matte screen so no glare
+ relatively easy for me to calibrate (mainly to remove edge enhancement, in SD resolutions)

- fan
- gray-ish black level

LG PV450
+ Just scan (almost 1-to-1 pixel mapping) use it like a giant monitor (H+V sharpness at 40 seemed right to me)
+ Proper 24p support. Blu-Rays can be seen as is off the disc.
+ Black is really black (53 brightness is reference, but I enjoy 58-60, especially on DirecTV)
+ no fan

-- The biggest complaint... GLARE. My folks have an Insignia (Samsung made) Plasma. It's AR coating actually darkens the glare toward purple. This LG has nothing. However, I've been able to reduce it by closing blinds and using those beautiful oriental unfolding fake walls daytime to block remaining reflections. Works like a charm, looks great and only takes a few seconds to fold out.
- Black can be too black. I believe my Sony's default gamma was somewhere between low and medium on this LG.
- Dithering... I see it up close, but it doesn't bother me at 4-5 feet away.
- Slight 'rainbow' effect. Again, it doesn't bother me and it seems common for Plasmas.
- Set doesn't seem as bright as my Sony. I find myself closing the blinds daytime.
- I cannot get to the service menu to see hours used or to remove the edge enhancement at SD resolutions. Just like my Sony there also appears to be overt high frequency filtering going on at SD... meaning they blur the highest details, then they apply edge enhancement over it. Why?!?!?!

If anyone knows how to get to the service menu, please let us know. I'll try to figure out how to tweak it.

Service menu instructions that didn't work:
1. While TV is on press 'Menu' on TV and remote at the same time.
2. While TV is on press 'OK' on TV and remote at the same time.

The other instruction was to use a learning remote and enter some special code... holy hell. With my Sony, a service manual was available. I don't know about this LG. Maybe some ISF calibrators out there can share information? I'd be willing to pay.
post #128 of 844
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Originally Posted by skillz73187 View Post

The pv450 is the same set as the pv400. The pv400 is a model number they made just for costco

Not totally true. the pv400 has no USB port while the pv450 does. It's the only tangible difference that I can see. Also Future Shop is selling the pv400 and pv450 right now so it's not a Costco exclusive.
post #129 of 844
Pretty sure mine has a port....
post #130 of 844
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Pretty sure mine has a port....

Really? That's interesting.....if you go to LG website and look at the spec sheet, the pv400 has a "no" listed under USB, and the pv450 has a "yes" listed under USB.

There might be more differences, I don't know, but this is one that jumps out at me. I wonder if Costco is selling pv450's but labelling them pv400's?? This would explain why people in this thread assume they are identical when they clearly are not.
post #131 of 844
Sites are wrong a lot lol
post #132 of 844
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Originally Posted by johnnynucleo View Post


Really? That's interesting.....if you go to LG website and look at the spec sheet, the pv400 has a "no" listed under USB, and the pv450 has a "yes" listed under USB.

There might be more differences, I don't know, but this is one that jumps out at me. I wonder if Costco is selling pv450's but labelling them pv400's?? This would explain why people in this thread assume they are identical when they clearly are not.

Mines has a USB port but never use it have ps3 laptop or pc for that it's kinda useless just like 3d and Internet tv had a led with all those features used once and never went back to it that's y I returned it and picked this up for lest then half the price
post #133 of 844
According to the gentlemen at VO the pv400 has cheaper quality componets made specifically for the lower standard/mass production of Costco. And for that matter, many products offered at costco also follow this procedure.

The pv400 and the pv450 are NOT the same plasma television. Dont fool yourself.

On a side note, does anyone have any decent cal.s for this set?

Thanks guys...
post #134 of 844
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Originally Posted by jdnathan11 View Post

According to the gentlemen at VO the pv400 has cheaper quality componets made specifically for the lower standard/mass production of Costco. And for that matter, many products offered at costco also follow this procedure.

The pv400 and the pv450 are NOT the same plasma television. Dont fool yourself.

On a side note, does anyone have any decent cal.s for this set?

Thanks guys...

The ARE indeed the same set. Do NOT fool yourself.
post #135 of 844
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post


The ARE indeed the same set. Do NOT fool yourself.

And buy from Costco 2 year free warranty plus no questions asked 90 day return policy!!!! I returned 5 tvs allready lol I think I'm keeping this one. On that note the guy just doesn't want you to shop at Costco they get same product found in other stores.
post #136 of 844
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Originally Posted by skillz73187 View Post


And buy from Costco 2 year free warranty plus no questions asked 90 day return policy!!!! I returned 5 tvs allready lol I think I'm keeping this one. On that note the guy just doesn't want you to shop at Costco they get same product found in other stores.

Exactly. That's a crazy deal with the free warranty deal. I have two years anyway so its all good lol.

As for the other guy. The salesman just doesn't want you buying from other cheaper stores. They are indeed the same exact set.
post #137 of 844
yeah thats true, you cant beat the warranty and return policy Costco offers. Either way i figure were all satified with our sets.
Any great settings you can recommend?

Thanks
post #138 of 844
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Originally Posted by jdnathan11 View Post

yeah thats true, you cant beat the warranty and return policy Costco offers. Either way i figure were all satified with our sets.
Any great settings you can recommend?

Thanks

There are settings posted on page 3 on this thread that work rather well. Although I've managed to use the picture wizards option and get slightly better picture. Contrast and brightness were a little off. No two sets are the same to it makes sense I had to tweaking it. But it was a very little amount in tweaking.

Either way. The settings posted by black noir are great to use. Can't go wrong with it.

What I would do. (Which is what I did) I'd put all blacknoirs settings in your set. Then run picture wizard. Take those options you've gotten from the wizard and make those changes to blacknoirs settings. You should only have to play with contrast and brightness.
post #139 of 844
Sounds good.

How do I run the picture wiz?
post #140 of 844
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Originally Posted by jdnathan11 View Post

Sounds good.

How do I run the picture wiz?

Home/picture/picture wizard
post #141 of 844
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

There are settings posted on page 3 on this thread that work rather well. Although I've managed to use the picture wizards option and get slightly better picture. Contrast and brightness were a little off. No two sets are the same to it makes sense I had to tweaking it. But it was a very little amount in tweaking.

Either way. The settings posted by black noir are great to use. Can't go wrong with it.

What I would do. (Which is what I did) I'd put all blacknoirs settings in your set. Then run picture wizard. Take those options you've gotten from the wizard and make those changes to blacknoirs settings. You should only have to play with contrast and brightness.

Thanks for that info. I agree on your advice whole heartedly. I did what you just said and the picture is now amazing. I had the set in cinema mode and was happy with it. Went back now and entered balck noir settings thought it was much better, then followed your advice and am floored. It is essentially perfect for me.

I have to say I freaking LOVE this television. It's thin, cool running, quite, bright, gorgeous clarity, NO BLUE LED (or in fact no LED on at all when the set it on).


Oddly enough I have the weirdest stuck pixel I have ever seen. It appears when the TV turns on (red) but the instant a picture comes on the screen it dissapears. I can pin point it precisely and it isn't affected when there is video (or even if it is an SD program and it is located in the black bars on the sides). Only when the TV is more or less thinking before turning on.
post #142 of 844
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Originally Posted by razel View Post

-- The biggest complaint... GLARE. My folks have an Insignia (Samsung made) Plasma. It's AR coating actually darkens the glare toward purple. This LG has nothing. However, I've been able to reduce it by closing blinds and using those beautiful oriental unfolding fake walls daytime to block remaining reflections. Works like a charm, looks great and only takes a few seconds to fold out.

Glare is a reason why I am in a dither. I have window on East side and sun is in room only before 11 AM. Is glare noticable when sun doesn't fall directly on screen? I really don't like closing blinds during a day (human needs a light to live)
What about bulb lights on the evening ? Do they disturb any time on dark area of screen ?
post #143 of 844
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post
There are settings posted on page 3 on this thread that work rather well. Although I've managed to use the picture wizards option and get slightly better picture. Contrast and brightness were a little off. No two sets are the same to it makes sense I had to tweaking it. But it was a very little amount in tweaking.

Either way. The settings posted by black noir are great to use. Can't go wrong with it.

What I would do. (Which is what I did) I'd put all blacknoirs settings in your set. Then run picture wizard. Take those options you've gotten from the wizard and make those changes to blacknoirs settings. You should only have to play with contrast and brightness.
K, I think I'm just dumb maybe but I'm not able to enter all of blacknoir's settings.
1) There is no color temp option in Expert Mode
2) Film Mode is set to "off" and greyed out, so I can't change it
3) He has settings for IRE 5, IRE 10, etc....but I don't understand? You can only set IRE as one setting ie, 5 or 10 or 15, etc. So which one is best??

Also, I ran Picture Wizard after, and it changed the settings a ton from black noir''s........so I'm sure I'm doing something wrong here........
post #144 of 844
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Originally Posted by Onees View Post
Glare is a reason why I am in a dither. Is glare noticable when sun doesn't fall directly on screen?

What about bulb lights on the evening ? Do they disturb any time on dark area of screen ?
Glare and how much bothers you is dependent on you and the angle. I only mind it daytime when there's alot of black on the screen such as Comedy Central standup during the day. I think if you do a google search for 60pv450 you'll be able to find pictures of someone else who did a comparison between this and a Samsung.

The best I can describe is really a sheet of glass, but I have learned to live and deal with it different ways. The folding wall is making me quite happy.
post #145 of 844
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Originally Posted by johnnynucleo View Post

K, I think I'm just dumb maybe but I'm not able to enter all of blacknoir's settings.
1) There is no color temp option in Expert Mode
2) Film Mode is set to "off" and greyed out, so I can't change it
3) He has settings for IRE 5, IRE 10, etc....but I don't understand? You can only set IRE as one setting ie, 5 or 10 or 15, etc. So which one is best??

Also, I ran Picture Wizard after, and it changed the settings a ton from black noir''s........so I'm sure I'm doing something wrong here........

1) It is hidden. Click on one of the options that you CAN see (such as contrast). You will get the adjustment bar at the bottom of the screen. Start pressing the down arrow. It will scroll through all of the settings which were visible in the menu. There will be ONE more hidden one. The color temp one.
2) Mine has no problem switching on or off. Maybe it has something to do with the inputs?
3) That menu option is confusing as heck. Treat each IRE value as its only separate menu. So go the IRE 5 then set the values below, then ire 10 set those values and so on. Eventually you will reach the end and set those others. THen run picture wizard and done.

If you haven't set all of the colors and what not properly I am not surprised that it changed it a ton. Mine are modifed some but not a huge amount. For example, my contrast is 76, Brightness is 62, H Sharpness is 50.
post #146 of 844
I have some image retention of the settings menu. Not sure if it was there originally. Can someone tell me where to find the screen wash feature. Also is there any way to have black or dark gray sidebars on 4:3 material?
post #147 of 844
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Originally Posted by Onees View Post

Glare is a reason why I am in a dither. I have window on East side and sun is in room only before 11 AM. Is glare noticable when sun doesn't fall directly on screen? I really don't like closing blinds during a day (human needs a light to live)
What about bulb lights on the evening ? Do they disturb any time on dark area of screen ?

I have pictures posted of my set in my living room. There is a huge window right next to my TV. As long as I'm not watching dark content. Light isn't a problem.
post #148 of 844
Finally got around to calibrating according to BlackNoir's settings. Looks pretty good. Seemed a little on the dim (opposite of bright) while watching golf this morning.

Anyone else have a issue with fluctuating brightness????

Thanks
post #149 of 844
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Originally Posted by PedroDaGr8 View Post

Oddly enough I have the weirdest stuck pixel I have ever seen.

Have you tried massaging it with a cotton ball, or a cotton swab? Some pressure on it may fix it (or make it worse if you're unlucky).
post #150 of 844
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Originally Posted by jdnathan11 View Post

Finally got around to calibrating according to BlackNoir's settings. Looks pretty good. Seemed a little on the dim (opposite of bright) while watching golf this morning.

Anyone else have a issue with fluctuating brightness????

Thanks

Turn off APS. This set doesn't have ANY FBR.
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