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post #241 of 844
I'm looking to get the 60PV450 this weekend. The primary use for this TV (or what I really care about watching on it) is sports. I don't plan on running break in slides (seems like kind of a waste) but plan on keeping the brightness down and put it on HBO to wear evenly, and when watching sports, just keep changing the channel a lot. I've read through the thread and it seems image retention is a little heightened at first, but burn-in doesn't seem to be an issue, is that correct? Damn ESPN and their white logo and bottom bar (not happy about Fox's new NFL bar either), that's the only thing making me concerned about a plasma, but the deal/size can't be beat. I hear, in general, plasmas are superior for sports and they look good when I see them in bars, hoping it will work for me.
post #242 of 844
This set works flawlessly for sports. Loved watching the game this past week.
post #243 of 844
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Originally Posted by sarge19806 View Post

ok....i have a chance to pick up a Pioneer Pro-111FD for $900....i can turn around and sell my 60PV450 for $1100 to a guy who offerd to buy it...i bought the 60PV450 in july this year...have no problems with it...calibrated to BN and Lifes settings...The Pioneer Pro-111FD has little usage about 2000hrs nothing wrong with it no burn in images that a seen or buzzing..comes with reciver box, speakers,manual,remote...would you sacrifice 10" of screen for overall quality...i heard that there is a big differance from 50" to 60"...vewing distance is 15'5ft but can move to 12ft...what would you do in my shoes guys....2011 LG plasma tv for 2009 Pioneer plasma...thanks for the help

um, do not hesitate and buy the 111fd for 900 lol, if you don't buy it i will.

the quality difference is night and day.
post #244 of 844
Some prefer size over quality. 60/50 is a huge difference. No warranty. Etc.. Has to be some reason its so cheap.
post #245 of 844
yeah...im debating really hard on this deal...I can take another look at it this weekebd before making up my mind...I will bring some slides with me and run them thru to see if there is any type of burn in or runs...I want to avoid asking him why hes selling it so cheap before I take another look at it, that way if the pioneer is good then I can score it for $900...if i go ahead and ask him why $900 before i see it for a second time...he might raise the price and fiqure he could sell it for more..but the debate is still in my head..selling brand new 2011 60" for a 2009 50"...I have the 60PV450 calibrated to its best and have enjoyed the pq of the set...dont know what to do...i will post up PQ pics of the 60PV450 soon
post #246 of 844
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Originally Posted by sarge19806 View Post

yeah...im debating really hard on this deal...I can take another look at it this weekebd before making up my mind...I will bring some slides with me and run them thru to see if there is any type of burn in or runs...I want to avoid asking him why hes selling it so cheap before I take another look at it, that way if the pioneer is good then I can score it for $900...if i go ahead and ask him why $900 before i see it for a second time...he might raise the price and fiqure he could sell it for more..but the debate is still in my head..selling brand new 2011 60" for a 2009 50"...I have the 60PV450 calibrated to its best and have enjoyed the pq of the set...dont know what to do...i will post up PQ pics of the 60PV450 soon

Good Luck to ya!
post #247 of 844
Okay, so I just bought my 60pv450 and I bring it home and connect it to my directv receiver and...nothing, no signal. I tried different hdmi cables, tried resetting the directv box, tried different hdmi inputs, and nothing. Is there some setting on the tv I'm missing, I can't figure this one out.

EDIT: Pretty sure it's my DirecTV box, picture looks okay with component, definitely needs tweaking though.
post #248 of 844
So I input the numbers from Black Noir's settings and my just looks, dingy. I flipped it over to sport mode and it made quite a different (I'm trying to get it looking right to watch football) but the colors just didn't seem quite right. Anyone have any good settings for football on here. The grass, in particular, didn't look green, more brown.
post #249 of 844
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Originally Posted by heisman6183 View Post
So I input the numbers from Black Noir's settings and my just looks, dingy. I flipped it over to sport mode and it made quite a different (I'm trying to get it looking right to watch football) but the colors just didn't seem quite right. Anyone have any good settings for football on here. The grass, in particular, didn't look green, more brown.

I only use BN's settings (tweaked a little) for movie viewing. For standard TV, sports, etc. I use calibrated cinema, and for gaming I use calibrated game. I actually tried to use BN's settings for standard TV for while and came to the same conclusion as you, looked dim and washed out. Also, keep in mind that every TV is different, viewing environments are different, sources are different and most important, peoples viewing tastes are different. Use the settings that look best to you for the content you are watching and don't get too hung up on what others are doing, or you will not be happy with your set and/or go insane!
post #250 of 844
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Originally Posted by smacket View Post

New owner of 50pv400
I am not impressed with shadow detail on this tv. Being a plasma, I thought it would have better shadow detail than a mid-range led/lcd (47inch about same price). Was I wrong?

I am also wondering why I cant access some of the advanced controls in picture settings (gama and black level are two of them).

I have read the entire thread and still can not figure out exactly what is the difference between pv400 and pv450.

On the postitive, I must say, sports look awesome on this tv!

Still can not figure out how to to access some advanced controls in isf expert picture modes. my Gamma, Black Level, and Color Standard are greyed out on my 50pv400. Anyone have any idea on how to access them?
post #251 of 844
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Originally Posted by icecube_pmb View Post

um, do not hesitate and buy the 111fd for 900 lol, if you don't buy it i will.

the quality difference is night and day.

I dunno.

Many people would have difficulty seeing a big difference between them.

No one, however, would miss the difference between fifty and sixty inches.
post #252 of 844
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Originally Posted by PrimeTime View Post

I dunno.

Many people would have difficulty seeing a big difference between them.

No one, however, would miss the difference between fifty and sixty inches.

Very true. Most people don't aren't really avid television buffs. I know when I have people come over. They care about size. I have some very high end sets in my house. This one being the cheapest. But, it's also the largest. Take a stab at which one is used more....
post #253 of 844
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Originally Posted by razel View Post

Service Menu followup and in-depth manuals.

From the training manual, that a service remote is required. The part numbers are:

- p/n 105-201M
- p/n MKJ39170828

Then enter the password: 0000 or 0413

I doubted that site because of it's IP address, but after going through the training manual, it looks legit. It also looks like a mistake from LG to make this info available. There's plenty of information that further explains their marketing terms.

Of particular interesting is the HDTV Diagnositics screen that will display the SNR for HDTV channel being viewed. Go to the channel menu then press the 1 key 5 to 8 times.

How are we meant to get this remote?
post #254 of 844
Should I be concerned?

My new 60PV450 when you turn it on has a little tiny white pixel that flickers in the upper most left corner. If I switch to a different input it remains. The moment I turn on the source device such as the Media PC that I'm using or the XBOX 360 the white flashing pixel is completely gone.

My TV is not directly connected to the Media Center. It runs through an HDMI Hub built into the High Def Receiver im using, however the Xbox is directly connected to the TV.

Thanks!
post #255 of 844
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Originally Posted by Dysan911 View Post

Should I be concerned?

My new 60PV450 when you turn it on has a little tiny white pixel that flickers in the upper most left corner. If I switch to a different input it remains. The moment I turn on the source device such as the Media PC that I'm using or the XBOX 360 the white flashing pixel is completely gone.

My TV is not directly connected to the Media Center. It runs through an HDMI Hub built into the High Def Receiver im using, however the Xbox is directly connected to the TV.

Thanks!

It's fine. Mine does the same exact thing. Haven't had a single issue yet.
post #256 of 844
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

It's fine. Mine does the same exact thing. Haven't had a single issue yet.

Same here, no issues at all. Its normal. Mine is on the upper left corner. Its just a pixel misfire because the screen isn't at its optimal temperature when you initially fire it up, it may last a little longer if your house is cooler this winter.
post #257 of 844
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Originally Posted by Blacknoir View Post

As promised...here are my ISF-Night settings (Expert 2)

Contrast: 77
Brightness: 53
H. Sharp: 39
V. Sharp: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp: W30

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Noise Reduction: Off
Gamma: Medium
Black Level: Low
Film Mode: On
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancement: Off
White Balance: Warm
Method: 20 Point IRE
Pattern: Outer

IRE R G B RC RT GC GT BC BT YC YT CC CT MC MT
5: 0 0 0 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
10: -16 0 -36 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
15: 0 0 0 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
20:-17 -13 -34 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
25: -9 0 -37 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
30: -6 9 -29 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
35: 0 0 -13 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
40: 9 17 -25 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
45: 0 0 0 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
50: -10 0 -42 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
55: -18 0 -10 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
60: 15 20 -37 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
65: -18 0 0 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
70: 5 30 -31 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
75: -9 9 -29 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
80: -6 19 -50 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
85: 0 0 0 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
90: -8 16 -9 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
95: 0 0 0 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10
100: -5 0 -24 0 -1 -6 0 -8 0 -5 11 -2 -2 -3 -10


I still cant seem to get the hidden color tempW30 setting to show under tint.
post #258 of 844
Has anyone complained of Game Lag on the LG60PV450?

We just got one home yesterday ($899) and my son immediately complained that there was a bit of a delay from what he was doing in Call of Duty (Xbox-hdmi) and what he was seeing on the screen.

the lag is too quick for me to see, but I can hear it with the "Controller test":
In the game call of duty, I just click the xbox's trigger as fast as I can.
Doing this makes an audible clicking sound.
Ideally, this clicking sound would be accompanied by the sound from the tv.

On our old setup there is a slight delay - you hear the click of the controller, then the gunshot through the speakers.

On the LG 60 PV 450, the delay is super noticeable, could be half a second between click and sound on the set.

Has anyone else dealt with this issue?
If so did you return it and get another set? (if so which)
post #259 of 844
Complete opposite for me. And I'm very sensitive to input lag.
post #260 of 844
After reading over on the PK550 and 950 threads, I am considering popping my back panel this weekend and adjusting Set_UP and Set_DN for better black levels and shadow details. It doesn't appear to be difficult, just time consuming and the potis adjustments are very sensitive. Has anyone here attempted this yet with a PV450? Just curious. If I decide to proceed, I will certainly post my results, I don't have a way to measure black level, but I may be able to take a before and after photo.
post #261 of 844
Hello all ~

First time post. I recently (a week ago) purchased the LG 60PV450; I wanted to give a shout out to let people know that I have experienced some IR after running a couple hours of WII on one of the component channels (more like an hour and a half, really - I intentionally limit the duration). I do realize that static images and black bars are to be avoided during the first 100 hours or so, but I did not see a big deal in doing so for very limited blocks of time. I have also seen this with the XBOX 360 but any IR from that machine goes away within a few seconds (again, limited usage). I think the WII IR image(s) are gone, but they took more time to go away than I would like from a precaution standpoint. I guess I am suprised this would be an issue with a modern (even entry level) plasma.

Anyway, just wanted to point this out as a precaution to others or at least something to look out for with this model. I know all TVs are different but this has me a bit concerned (probably should not be as this is not recommended new plasma usage). I don't have the TV set to torch mode, either. I also could be making something out of nothing.

Great TV for the price otherwise, with a suprisingly good picture - especially for cartoon movies and\\or video games.

Any tips are welcome.

Great forum! The settings have been invaluable.
post #262 of 844
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Originally Posted by lifesun View Post

After reading over on the PK550 and 950 threads, I am considering popping my back panel this weekend and adjusting Set_UP and Set_DN for better black levels and shadow details. It doesn't appear to be difficult, just time consuming and the potis adjustments are very sensitive. Has anyone here attempted this yet with a PV450? Just curious. If I decide to proceed, I will certainly post my results, I don't have a way to measure black level, but I may be able to take a before and after photo.

Link to what your talking about? I'm interested
post #263 of 844
Most of the info is on this page: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...p#post20788968

All of the LG sets have the same adjustments, so even though the link is in the PZ950 thread it still applies to our PV450's. I sent out a couple of PM's to the guys that did the tweak, but I haven't heard back yet. However, at this point, I am feeling like I am going to go for it this weekend. Even though it seemed to be getting better, I swear that black level has actually gotten worse over the last week on my set........or I have just been reading AVS too much about the black level on these sets!

Also, here are the instructions that I plan to go by, although I most likely will skip the voltage adjustments, focusing on Set_Up and Set_Dn only, for now at least.

From AVS Member Turrican4d:
No, it does not hurt the brightness of the picture. It only affects MLL.

The potis inside the TV are labeled with their names.

1. Start a Blu-ray-Disc

2. Turn "Va" full throttle clockwise

3. Turn Vy full throttle counterclockwise


After that turn "Set_Up" clockwise untill you get noise in very bright moviescenes. Turn a microamount counterclockwise untill the noise disappears.

Finally turn "Set_Dn" clockwise untill you get pixelmissfires. Turn a microamount counterclockwise untill you dont' get new pixelmissfires.

Congratulations to your new KURO (8G or 9G) MLL.
post #264 of 844
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Originally Posted by lifesun View Post

Most of the info is on this page: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...p#post20788968

All of the LG sets have the same adjustments, so even though the link is in the PZ950 thread it still applies to our PV450's. I sent out a couple of PM's to the guys that did the tweak, but I haven't heard back yet. However, at this point, I am feeling like I am going to go for it this weekend. Even though it seemed to be getting better, I swear that black level has actually gotten worse over the last week on my set........or I have just been reading AVS too much about the black level on these sets!

Also, here are the instructions that I plan to go by, although I most likely will skip the voltage adjustments, focusing on Set_Up and Set_Dn only, for now at least.

From AVS Member Turrican4d:
No, it does not hurt the brightness of the picture. It only affects MLL.

The potis inside the TV are labeled with their names.

1. Start a Blu-ray-Disc

2. Turn "Va" full throttle clockwise

3. Turn Vy full throttle counterclockwise

After that turn "Set_Up" clockwise untill you get noise in very bright moviescenes. Turn a microamount counterclockwise untill the noise disappears.

Finally turn "Set_Dn" clockwise untill you get pixelmissfires. Turn a microamount counterclockwise untill you dont' get new pixelmissfires.

Congratulations to your new KURO (8G or 9G) MLL.

Hmm. Well that seems simple enough. I'll give it ago later this week as well. I think ill go ahead and take the cover off now just get a look. I wonder how much of a difference this actually makes.
post #265 of 844
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Hmm. Well that seems simple enough. I'll give it ago later this week as well. I think ill go ahead and take the cover off now just get a look. I wonder how much of a difference this actually makes.

Well I just got one PM back so far, and this member only adjusted the Set_Up and Set_Dn, they didn't mess with voltages yet and got good results, so thats what I will start with.
post #266 of 844
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Originally Posted by lifesun View Post

Same here, no issues at all. Its normal. Mine is on the upper left corner. Its just a pixel misfire because the screen isn't at its optimal temperature when you initially fire it up, it may last a little longer if your house is cooler this winter.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

It's fine. Mine does the same exact thing. Haven't had a single issue yet.


Thanks Guys!.
post #267 of 844
Update...well i didnt pull the trigger on buying the Pioneer 111FD...just felt better knowing that my 60" Lg is newer and has warranty...and after many hrs calibrating and adjusting pots inside the panel i have now got it to be the blackest blackes ever...I only adjusted the set_up pot and Vy pot...i turned the set_up pot clockwise all the way and didnt see any pixlelation or black blurs so i adjusted the Vy pot counter clockwise 1 twitch and got it dialed in...really easy thing to do...if anyone is wondering how to do it please read all posts carefully...the set_up pot will be on the right side main y board...and the Vy will be in the middle panel power board...hope this helps
post #268 of 844
Someone should make a video. Also. would this be noticeable to a retailer? Void Warranty?
Be easier to validated someone actually doing this.

Also, pretty sure the KURO thing was a scam. I've seen one for the exact price you said on craigslist. Scammed galore.
post #269 of 844
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Originally Posted by sarge19806 View Post

Update...well i didnt pull the trigger on buying the Pioneer 111FD...just felt better knowing that my 60" Lg is newer and has warranty...and after many hrs calibrating and adjusting pots inside the panel i have now got it to be the blackest blackes ever...I only adjusted the set_up pot and Vy pot...i turned the set_up pot clockwise all the way and didnt see any pixlelation or black blurs so i adjusted the Vy pot counter clockwise 1 twitch and got it dialed in...really easy thing to do...if anyone is wondering how to do it please read all posts carefully...the set_up pot will be on the right side main y board...and the Vy will be in the middle panel power board...hope this helps

Man, I wish I could dive into my set sooner than this weekend! Thanks for the post, and this is why I am trying to gather as much info as possible before I make the plunge. Your method is different than what I read on the other thread, most are only adjusting Set_Up and Set_Dn, and not touching the voltages at all, saying that it can take a lot more time and patience. However, being that you have the exact set that I have, I am leaning toward trying your method first. I do have a question though, you state that the Vy adjustment potis is on the main power supply board? I only have schematics of the 50 inch set and it shows the Vy adjustment on the Y-SUS board along with the Set_Up and Set_Dn pots. Can you confirm where you made the adjustments? Also, being that you adjusted the voltage with the Vy pot, how deep did you get the blacks to go, and are you getting pixel misfires before the set is fully warmed up? Thanks again for the info and help..............this is exciting!
post #270 of 844
What is pixel misfire?
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