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post #3391 of 4227
11/26/12 at 6:41pm
FYI, for all you tweakers -

http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm
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post #3392 of 4227
11/26/12 at 6:53pm
^^^

that's a nifty little clickable chart there... thanks... smile.gif
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post #3393 of 4227
11/27/12 at 4:25am
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Thank Stuart. Yes, I’d forgotten about that pesky 1/12th smoothing - I don't even know how that happened - I only ever use 1/24th and/ir 1/6th for the printed graphs. I'm pretty happy with it. All I have to do now is decide whether I prefer Pgm2 and no DEQ or Pgm1 plus DEQ on the Submersives. I'll need to do some more listening tests to determine that.

OK, you're off the hook. You can go to sleep now:).

 

LOL - yes, it was very late here when I posted that!  So much to graph, so little time.... BTW, I haven't forgotten there's a PM from you in my inbox - will reply asap.

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post #3394 of 4227
11/27/12 at 2:42pm
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that's a nifty little clickable chart there... thanks... smile.gif

Yes, and I still haven't forgotten about the "Springsteen curve" that's maximally tuned for 12-string rhythm guitar and the late, great Big Man's sax.biggrin.gif

I will say that having done the distance tweak to make the 80 to 150 Hz region flatter, the acoustic guitar on "Bobby Jean" sounds like it has more resonance. But I'm still working on getting the optimal amount of air on the horns for "Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out", and the more striking piano tones on "Backstreets"tongue.gif. That's where I still have to do more Curve Editor work.
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post #3395 of 4227
11/27/12 at 3:00pm
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lol... biggrin.gif i remember those discussions...

you guys are making me want to do some curve editor work... just when i thought i was dragging myself out of the rabbit hole, they drag me back in... tongue.gif
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post #3396 of 4227
11/27/12 at 3:44pm
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lol... biggrin.gif i remember those discussions...
you guys are making me want to do some curve editor work... just when i thought i was dragging myself out of the rabbit hole, they drag me back in... tongue.gif

(here's the part where you get an Al Pacino/Klingon death scream)

^^ It's not personal, it's only business...biggrin.gif
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post #3397 of 4227
11/27/12 at 4:01pm
^^^

lol... biggrin.gif

i need me a "great pacino movies" marathon... watched "serpico" the other night for the first time in awhile, i forgot how good a flick that was...
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post #3398 of 4227
11/27/12 at 5:10pm
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lol... biggrin.gif
i need me a "great pacino movies" marathon... watched "serpico" the other night for the first time in awhile, i forgot how good a flick that was...

Even "The Devil's Advocate" has its moments that way - he's overacting but it's a classic Pacino overacting masterpiece, as that genre goes. I can leave Keanu Reaves, though. Especially if you have the original DVD with the gargoyle figures on his office wall - a great way to show off both a display and your audio system (the Audyssey relevance).
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post #3399 of 4227
11/28/12 at 3:43am
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^^^

lol... biggrin.gif i remember those discussions...

you guys are making me want to do some curve editor work... just when i thought i was dragging myself out of the rabbit hole, they drag me back in... tongue.gif

Hey Chris - curve editing is where it's at, man smile.gif  

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11/28/12 at 3:44am
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^^ It's not personal, it's only business...biggrin.gif

 

I watched that movie again last night. Terrific bass on the F2s - every gunshot thumps you in the chest!  Terrific!

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post #3401 of 4227
11/28/12 at 4:15am
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lol... biggrin.gif
i need me a "great pacino movies" marathon... watched "serpico" the other night for the first time in awhile, i forgot how good a flick that was...

Even "The Devil's Advocate" has its moments that way - he's overacting but it's a classic Pacino overacting masterpiece, as that genre goes. I can leave Keanu Reaves, though. Especially if you have the original DVD with the gargoyle figures on his office wall - a great way to show off both a display and your audio system (the Audyssey relevance).

that movie also has the benefit of having charlize in it, which never is a bad thing... smile.gif

pacino tangent... is there any other actor who has aged as badly (or as quickly) as he did? eek.gif look at a picture of "young al" vs. "middle aged al"... it's truly amazing...
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post #3402 of 4227
11/28/12 at 4:24am
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lol... biggrin.gif i remember those discussions...


you guys are making me want to do some curve editor work... just when i thought i was dragging myself out of the rabbit hole, they drag me back in... tongue.gif
Hey Chris - curve editing is where it's at, man smile.gif   

yea yea yea... smile.gif

since i finally completed the re-wire monday and got all the electronics out of the theater room*, i need to re-run pro anyway with some different sub positions, so i'll putz around with it a bit...

speaking of which... has anyone extended the microphone cable? i "think" i'm going to be able to reach the avr from where it is now, but i may have to extend it...

* out of the room... most of it them are still in a big pile in my dining room... redface.gif i'm going to try to get it all glued back together tonight... gotta start peppering stuart with the greatness of instapreview... tongue.gif
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post #3403 of 4227
11/28/12 at 4:40am
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lol... biggrin.gif i remember those discussions...


you guys are making me want to do some curve editor work... just when i thought i was dragging myself out of the rabbit hole, they drag me back in... tongue.gif
Hey Chris - curve editing is where it's at, man smile.gif   

yea yea yea... smile.gif

since i finally completed the re-wire monday and got all the electronics out of the theater room*, i need to re-run pro anyway with some different sub positions, so i'll putz around with it a bit...

speaking of which... has anyone extended the microphone cable? i "think" i'm going to be able to reach the avr from where it is now, but i may have to extend it...

* out of the room... most of it them are still in a big pile in my dining room... redface.gif i'm going to try to get it all glued back together tonight... gotta start peppering stuart with the greatness of instapreview... tongue.gif

 

Good luck with the setting up. I hate that job - there always seems to be something that refuses to work despite being, on the face of it anyway, set up exactly the same way it was before.  I've always been glad that my gear is outside the HT and hidden away - takes all the 'aesthetic' considerations out of buying gear.

 

Extend the Pro cable?  It comes with two lengths of 25 ft each doesn't it?  You need more than that? My gear is in a closet which backs on the the HT, so I have a cunning (usually hidden) 'cable access hole' in the wall - I just feed the cable through as needed.

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post #3404 of 4227
11/28/12 at 4:57am
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that movie also has the benefit of having charlize in it, which never is a bad thing... smile.gif
 

 

 

Well, there's Snow White and the Huntsman..... ;)  

 

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pacino tangent... is there any other actor who has aged as badly (or as quickly) as he did? eek.gif look at a picture of "young al" vs. "middle aged al"... it's truly amazing...

 

Very true. But the prize for the World's Most Wonderfully Wasted Man surely has to go to Keef:

 

As he was:

 

 

1000

 

 

As he is:

 

 

1000

 

Wow - I have reached a new low - OT with pictures!  Fortunately it's a quiet day .... ;)

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post #3405 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:06am
^^^

it's been a long time goal for me to get it all out of here, and i'm quite happy that it is... smile.gif i'm even happier that it actually "works" and i don't have to troubleshoot screwed up wiring... tongue.gif the new hdbaset units are a godsend for real long hdmi runs...

i just wish i didn't have to put it all together again... there was a time where i actually enjoyed that part... not anymore... plus my cable management patience isn't very high... redface.gif

fortunately, everything generally works once i get it together (of course, i just jinxed myself there tongue.gif ) but it's a pita running all those cables back and forth through the rack... one of these days i have to get me a big honkin middle atlantic upright rack to make my life easier... the salamander is great in terms of flexibility, but it's a pain working on my hands and knees...

ah, i forgot about the 2nd cable that came with the kit... redface.gif that'll be plenty then...

i really should have wired the mic cable through the conduit, but i didn't want to have to pull it back out again when the day comes to sell the kit... plus i didn't have a mini-xlr connectors lying around to use as a termination points... maybe another day...

and i also have a massive remote control re-programming project ahead in order to properly use the matrix switch/instapreview on the 4520... at least i have all the serial commands i need coded, now to figure out the logic... i gotta get this done pretty quick, as swmbo can't watch tv in her kingdom until i do this... so the pro-putzing will have to wait until after that is done...
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post #3406 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:08am
a little ot stuff amoungst friends never hurts... smile.gif

dear me... are we sure he's really even still alive? eek.gif "weekend at bernie's" comes to mind... tongue.gif
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post #3407 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:16am
Was it alcohol or something else that did that to him? My 95 year old mother looks much better than him.
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post #3408 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:18am
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the heroin probably didn't help... smile.gif
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post #3409 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:33am
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Was it alcohol or something else that did that to him? My 95 year old mother looks much better than him.

 

I suspect it was the "something else" ;)

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post #3410 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:34am
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the heroin probably didn't help... smile.gif

Yes, the trouble with heroin - it's very more-ish..... ;)

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post #3411 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:35am
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a little ot stuff amoungst friends never hurts... smile.gif

dear me... are we sure he's really even still alive? eek.gif "weekend at bernie's" comes to mind... tongue.gif

 

How is he even still alive?  He is a living testament to the abuse the human body can take....

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post #3412 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:38am
Would there be any benefit to Audyssey pro compared with a miniDSP and Omnimic, apart from the automation of course? I don't think it's price would be justified for me, since I have miniDSPs on all my front speakers and subs. As for Richards, I didn't know heroin did that sort of damage, but crystal meth is said to age a person.
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post #3413 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

it's been a long time goal for me to get it all out of here, and i'm quite happy that it is... smile.gif i'm even happier that it actually "works" and i don't have to troubleshoot screwed up wiring... tongue.gif the new hdbaset units are a godsend for real long hdmi runs...

i just wish i didn't have to put it all together again... there was a time where i actually enjoyed that part... not anymore... plus my cable management patience isn't very high... redface.gif

fortunately, everything generally works once i get it together (of course, i just jinxed myself there tongue.gif ) but it's a pita running all those cables back and forth through the rack... one of these days i have to get me a big honkin middle atlantic upright rack to make my life easier... the salamander is great in terms of flexibility, but it's a pain working on my hands and knees...

ah, i forgot about the 2nd cable that came with the kit... redface.gif that'll be plenty then...

i really should have wired the mic cable through the conduit, but i didn't want to have to pull it back out again when the day comes to sell the kit... plus i didn't have a mini-xlr connectors lying around to use as a termination points... maybe another day...

and i also have a massive remote control re-programming project ahead in order to properly use the matrix switch/instapreview on the 4520... at least i have all the serial commands i need coded, now to figure out the logic... i gotta get this done pretty quick, as swmbo can't watch tv in her kingdom until i do this... so the pro-putzing will have to wait until after that is done...

 

Yeah, BTDT.... many times. I've never enjoyed recabling systems. I try to do my best with the cables and get them all neat and tidy.... then, no sooner have you finished than you add something else and the cable rat's nest starts all over again.... at least it's out of sight in the closet so it matters less (I do alway try to ensure the cables are run properly wrt to possible interference of course and my system is noiseless as a result). 

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post #3414 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:40am
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it's possible that he is a borg... tongue.gif
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post #3415 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:46am
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Would there be any benefit to Audyssey pro compared with a miniDSP and Omnimic, apart from the automation of course? I don't think it's price would be justified for me, since I have miniDSPs on all my front speakers and subs. As for Richards, I didn't know heroin did that sort of damage, but crystal meth is said to age a person.

I think, with your level of knowledge, the mini-DSP + OmniMic route could be a useful alternative. You also have room treatments, so your starting point is probably better than most, and Audyssey becomes less effective as the base quality of the room is improved, for obvious reasons. HST, there's no doubt that Pro works well, and is adjustable thanks to the Curve Editor and more accurate thanks to the individually calibrated mic and preamp. The mini-DSP + OM may get the desired result, eventually, but it will take quite a bit of effort and, more importantly, knowledge - but for someone like you, it is probably a very good way to go. Also bear in mind that XT32 gets you a lot of the way on its own. The unknown quantity is the Audyssey 'secret sauce' and whatever it does...

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post #3416 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:55am
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Yeah, BTDT.... many times. I've never enjoyed recabling systems. I try to do my best with the cables and get them all neat and tidy.... then, no sooner have you finished than you add something else and the cable rat's nest starts all over again.... at least it's out of sight in the closet so it matters less (I do alway try to ensure the cables are run properly wrt to possible interference of course and my system is noiseless as a result). 

yup... it starts neat, and ends up a mess in no time... redface.gif one thing for sure... i learned awhile ago not to use zip ties... velcro ties are much easier to deal with...

if it was hidden like yours, i'd have a massive rats nest, since i wouldn't care... tongue.gif but all the "stuff" is now in my dining room (which the front entrance to the house comes through), so a "clean install" is required...

i'm also playing around a bit more with trapping, as i have a few corner traps (and a BUNCH of panels) out in my shed right now... it'll be interesting to see the pro results from that... "preference" (having played extensively with the panels) indicates that we like the room "live" vs. "dead", so i don't think i'll be doing much with reflection points, and due to room config, my back corners are very hard to trap (there's windows close to the corner), but i may be able to get a few feet of trapping by the ceiling/floor... remains to be seen... recent calibrations have "looked and sounded" good...
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post #3417 of 4227
11/28/12 at 5:59am
My problem with cables is that they end up as chaotic as my thinking, as is demonstrated by my getting involved in off topic discussions. For me they always end up as a "snakes nest," but my system remains remarkably free of noise.
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post #3418 of 4227
11/28/12 at 7:45am
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Would there be any benefit to Audyssey pro compared with a miniDSP and Omnimic, apart from the automation of course? I don't think it's price would be justified for me, since I have miniDSPs on all my front speakers and subs. As for Richards, I didn't know heroin did that sort of damage, but crystal meth is said to age a person.
Too bad Keith didn't see this ad:
Mom 55 looks 35 by using Pro kit!
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post #3419 of 4227
11/28/12 at 8:54am
I've been following this thread for a while now. Finally, I made the jump and bought the pro kit.

I have a Denon 4311 with XT32. Following the FAQ, I made my first measurements, results attached. I must admit, the resulting sound is amazing, I don't know how to describe it, but I know I like it more than before. I am hoping you guys can help me understand the graphs as well as make any improvement.

I have 2 SVS PB12-NSD placed on the sides of a 55' TV, the TV sits on the center speaker, and the fronts are to the sides of the subs.

The after graphs for everything looks pretty flat to my eyes, however one thing that caught my eyes is the Subwoofer graph. It appears to have a dip around 20hz to 40hz instead of flat like the rest, but the before graph shows a massive bump in that region.

Thank you guys for contributing to this great thread.

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post #3420 of 4227
11/28/12 at 9:02am
^^^

welcome!

unfortunately, those are "predicted" graphs, not "actual" graphs... the humps do tell us a bit, but only that audyssey doesn't expect to be able to correct "flat" in those regions (which may or may not indicated a possible issue that can be corrected)...

do you have any mesurement tools? in order to be able to properly analyze the "after" results, you have to independently measure... if you don't, many of us here use the "omnimic" package from parts express with great results...

again, welcome to the rabbit hole... biggrin.gif
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