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post #3751 of 5255
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Originally Posted by Srgtfury View Post

Hi SOM,

There are a some pieces that Audyssey has licensed, however, through the manufacturer, such as Wisdom, that do not require the $150 fee.

Thank you very much

Fury

The Wisdom Audio demonstration at CEDIA was by far the best system I have EVER heard ... in my LIFE, but the speakers start at $30k .... each. I'd bet they are similarly "proud" of their associated electronics. I'm certain there's a $150 fee buried in there somewhere. smile.gif

Jeff
post #3752 of 5255
I bought the kit for 325 and paid a extra 50 for delivery (2 hours from him to me). The kit is good and has been hardly used and never registered. I talked with the guy and he really didn't know really what he had. I told him what the kit was and he sold it to me for the price anyway. I don't want to install Pro and use it, just stick with XT32. So just how do I use it with XT32?
post #3753 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

I bought the kit for 325 and paid a extra 50 for delivery (2 hours from him to me). The kit is good and has been hardly used and never registered. I talked with the guy and he really didn't know really what he had. I told him what the kit was and he sold it to me for the price anyway. I don't want to install Pro and use it, just stick with XT32. So just how do I use it with XT32?

You don't. To use the kit, you must install the Pro software on a laptop, connect the laptop to the AVR, and then connect the microphone to the AVR as well.

Were you expecting to just use the mic as a stand-alone mic with the consumer version of XT32 in the AVR? It doesn't work that way. I recommend you read the Pro FAQ in this thread.

BTW, when you say the kit "has hardly been used" and "never been registered". This is impossible. Unless it was registered, it could NEVER have been used. The more I hear about this, the more suspicious I get. I hate to ask this, but are you sure this isn't a stolen kit? Did you ask for a proof of purchase?
Edited by AustinJerry - 1/24/13 at 9:58pm
post #3754 of 5255
Jerry, the guy said he bought it from Magnolia Hifi and said that he only used it 3 times. He looked to be in his late 30's and a nerdy type. He said he was downsizing and had a Wilson speaker setup. I just setup a registration on the Audyssey Installer site and it took so the kit is good.

Bill
Edited by bsoko2 - 1/24/13 at 11:24pm
post #3755 of 5255
Now the question is, can I use the Pro Kit to setup XT32? . . . and if so, how do I use the kit for this? I have used the Pro Kit a few years ago so I k now about the license and etc and I would assume that i would not need a licsense for XT32.

Bill
post #3756 of 5255
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

The Wisdom Audio demonstration at CEDIA was by far the best system I have EVER heard ... in my LIFE, but the speakers start at $30k .... each. I'd bet they are similarly "proud" of their associated electronics. I'm certain there's a $150 fee buried in there somewhere. smile.gif

Jeff

The Wisdom Audio SC-1 has an Audyssey Sound Equalizer in it with added features specific for Wisdom Audio's Speakers.Just like the Sound Equalizer and SubEQ,the SC-1 doesn't require a license fee.With a system like that,more like Custom Installer fee$$$ lol!biggrin.gif
Edited by StevenLansing - 1/25/13 at 12:32am
post #3757 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Jerry, the guy said he bought it from Magnolia Hifi and said that he only used it 3 times. He looked to be in his late 30's and a nerdy type. He said he was downsizing and had a Wilson speaker setup. I just setup a registration on the Audyssey Installer site and it took so the kit is good.

Bill

 

If he used it three times, then it could not have been 'never registered'. You have to register it and buy the licence before you can use it. It's possible he doesn't know what he\'s talking about and/or has just forgotten what he did.

post #3758 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Now the question is, can I use the Pro Kit to setup XT32? . . . and if so, how do I use the kit for this? I have used the Pro Kit a few years ago so I k now about the license and etc and I would assume that i would not need a licsense for XT32.

Bill

 

Bill you are way confused buddy. Read the Pro FAQ linked in my sig - it will tell you all you need to know. You absolutely, definitely, unquestionably cannot use the Pro Kit without buying a $150 licence to tie it to your AVR. I, and others, did tell you this before you bought it. You seem to be conflating XT32 and the Pro Kit somehow - they are two separate things. Your unit has XT32 and you don't pay anything to use it. Pro works on top of XT32 and you have to pay a one-time fee of $150 to mate it with your AVR.

 

Incidentally, not all XT32-equipped units are capable of using the Pro kit. There is a chart in the FAQ which shows those that are 'Pro-ready'. If your unit is not listed then you cannot use Pro with it, regardless. What unit do you have? (Apologies if you already said).

post #3759 of 5255
^ ^ ^ Integra DHC 80.3. And I kn ow about the license and using Pro as I have had a kit several years ago. I was just wondering if the kit could be used with XT32 and the answer is, NOT as I can only use it with PRO installed with license on my prepro or avr.

Thanx for all the info, Bill
post #3760 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

^ ^ ^ Integra DHC 80.3. And I kn ow about the license and using Pro as I have had a kit several years ago. I was just wondering if the kit could be used with XT32 and the answer is, NOT as I can only use it with PRO installed with license on my prepro or avr.

Thanx for all the info, Bill

Yes, it can. I might have missed it being pointed out, but you might need to update the included MultEQ Pro software to us it with your unit. And depending on the version that Ce with the kit, that might cost you some money. If the kit has a 3.x version, upgrading will be free. If older version, well contact Luke ...

Sorry to maybe be the bearer of bad news, but maybe you got a good deal and .... smile.gif

Jeff
post #3761 of 5255
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Yes, it can. I might have missed it being pointed out, but you might need to update the included MultEQ Pro software to us it with your unit. And depending on the version that Ce with the kit, that might cost you some money. If the kit has a 3.x version, upgrading will be free. If older version, well contact Luke ...

Sorry to maybe be the bearer of bad news, but maybe you got a good deal and .... smile.gif

Jeff

Software version is 3.4.697 so it is not that old.
post #3762 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

^ ^ ^ Integra DHC 80.3. And I kn ow about the license and using Pro as I have had a kit several years ago. I was just wondering if the kit could be used with XT32 and the answer is, NOT as I can only use it with PRO installed with license on my prepro or avr.

Thanx for all the info, Bill

 

Yes, you are Pro-ready with the 80.3. I am still not sure what you mean by "wondering if the kit could be used with XT32" but if you are happy with the replies you have received, then all is well and good. 

post #3763 of 5255
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Yes, you are Pro-ready with the 80.3. I am still not sure what you mean by "wondering if the kit could be used with XT32" but if you are happy with the replies you have received, then all is well and good. 

I use the Pro Kit to calibrate my DHC 80.3. I save the Pro results into the DHC 80.3 and does the XT32 softare use the Pro results for the calibration?

I got my question answered :

a)5. Do the results from the Audyssey Pro Kit depend on the version of Audyssey built into my unit?



Yes. Audyssey Pro 'builds on' the result provided by the Audyssey version built into your AVR or AVP. This means that a unit featuring XT will give a superior Pro result than a unit featuring MultEQ, and a unit featuring XT32, in combination with Pro, will give the best result possible. Pro will always improve on the 'base version' but the very best results will always be obtained from a unit which supports XT32.
Edited by bsoko2 - 1/25/13 at 10:22am
post #3764 of 5255
Thread Starter 
^Yes whatever version of Audyssey is in your processor uses the info from Pro to implement the Audyssey correction. In that sense it doesn't matter if you have XT or XT32. You will benefit, as did I, from reading the Pro FAQ that Keith assembled and referred you to, linked in his sig.
post #3765 of 5255
Bill, there are various levels of the Audyssey MultEQ filter technology built into the various receiver/processor models. And each of them has the included - consumer- method of measuring, analyzing and calculating calibrations. Think of the Pro kit as an alternative way to measure, analyze and calculate correction filters. The resulting measurements are more accurate, the analysis deeper and the correction filters therefore more customized and accurate, but they are still effected by the underlying MultEQ "flavor" on board the model.

Price considerations limit the consumer's mic as well as the computational resources available to the Audyssey in the conser version. Pro does away with those limitations.

Jeff
post #3766 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Yes, you are Pro-ready with the 80.3. I am still not sure what you mean by "wondering if the kit could be used with XT32" but if you are happy with the replies you have received, then all is well and good. 

I use the Pro Kit to calibrate my DHC 80.3. I save the Pro results into the DHC 80.3 and does the XT32 softare use the Pro results for the calibration?

I got my question answered :

a)5. Do the results from the Audyssey Pro Kit depend on the version of Audyssey built into my unit?



Yes. Audyssey Pro 'builds on' the result provided by the Audyssey version built into your AVR or AVP. This means that a unit featuring XT will give a superior Pro result than a unit featuring MultEQ, and a unit featuring XT32, in combination with Pro, will give the best result possible. Pro will always improve on the 'base version' but the very best results will always be obtained from a unit which supports XT32.

 

Ah right -  ISWYM now. Yes, Pro builds on the basic version of MultEQ in the machine - so it works better on XT32 than it would on XT. 

post #3767 of 5255
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Ah right -  ISWYM now. Yes, Pro builds on the basic version of MultEQ in the machine - so it works better on XT32 than it would on XT. 

Thanx, I'm going to do a calibration tonite in the late hours.

Bill
post #3768 of 5255
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post


The mic connects to the preamp and the preamp connects to the PC Left input on the rear of the unit. If access to the rear of the unit is a PITA, as it is for me, you may consider leaving the cable permanently attached to the PC Left input to make it easier to run Pro again (I guarantee you will run it more than once).


Although the Pro software can connect to the 80.3 over a wireless connection, it is recommended to use an Ethernet cable, so you may wish to consider leaving that in place too. The other end of the Ethernet cable connects to a router. It doesn't have to be the router you normally use for your home network. In my case, my network router is nowhere near where the AVP is, so I use a spare router I had in my junk drawer. The Integra connects to the router, the router connects to the laptop. If you do it this way, you can also leave the router permanently in place if you wish. You will need to go into the Integra Network menu settings to see what IP address the router is using - you will then need to enter that in the Pro software when asked. It all sounds complicated but once you have done it, it's pretty straightforward and obvious.

I spent half the day trying to connect and use Pro. Frustrated as hell so I put everything away and went online and found your post. I'll try it another day after I calm down and quit cursing Audyssey for their complicated product. Pushing 70 this year and I don't need the f***** frustration.
post #3769 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post


The mic connects to the preamp and the preamp connects to the PC Left input on the rear of the unit. If access to the rear of the unit is a PITA, as it is for me, you may consider leaving the cable permanently attached to the PC Left input to make it easier to run Pro again (I guarantee you will run it more than once).


Although the Pro software can connect to the 80.3 over a wireless connection, it is recommended to use an Ethernet cable, so you may wish to consider leaving that in place too. The other end of the Ethernet cable connects to a router. It doesn't have to be the router you normally use for your home network. In my case, my network router is nowhere near where the AVP is, so I use a spare router I had in my junk drawer. The Integra connects to the router, the router connects to the laptop. If you do it this way, you can also leave the router permanently in place if you wish. You will need to go into the Integra Network menu settings to see what IP address the router is using - you will then need to enter that in the Pro software when asked. It all sounds complicated but once you have done it, it's pretty straightforward and obvious.

I spent half the day trying to connect and use Pro. Frustrated as hell so I put everything away and went online and found your post. I'll try it another day after I calm down and quit cursing Audyssey for their complicated product. Pushing 70 this year and I don't need the f***** frustration.

 

One other thing I have found - make all the connections before booting the Windows laptop. I find that if I plug in anything after the laptop is running, Pro cannot see the AVP even though the IP address is correct. I am from the Mac world where we don't have problems like that so it took me some time to figure that one out.

post #3770 of 5255
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

One other thing I have found - make all the connections before booting the Windows laptop. I find that if I plug in anything after the laptop is running, Pro cannot see the AVP even though the IP address is correct. I am from the Mac world where we don't have problems like that so it took me some time to figure that one out.

For serial-to-USB once the adapter had been installed I only would attach to 885 - actually I kept it attached to the 885 and plugged in the USB end - after laptop was booted. Once Windoze saw the 885 I would launch Pro. With connection over Ethernet the 5508 is always networked. Laptop is switched from wifi to wired and once networked, Pro is launched.

My new workflow is to have Pro loaded on a permanently networked desktop, actually my workstation in an adjacent room, turn on the 5508 remotely with an iPhone app and load the calibration without even going into the room. No standing around waiting to click the mouse ... I can continue with whatever I was doing and click - click as needed. Actually this will be my new workflow when I get my 5508 back from having the HDMI board replaced; I am anxious to see how fast my quad-core 3.2GHz i7/12GB overclocked system RAM calcs and loads a cal.

Soon-to-be-freezin,
Jeff
Edited by pepar - 1/26/13 at 11:02am
post #3771 of 5255
Doig the install now and it is slick and simple to work with. Thanx guys!

Bill
Edited by bsoko2 - 1/26/13 at 10:15pm
post #3772 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Doig the install now and it is slick and simple to work with. Thanx guys!

Bill

 Isn't it amazing how much better things work after you understand them?

post #3773 of 5255
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 Isn't it amazing how much better things work after you understand them?

When you are 70, yes it is amazing. Pro set my crossovers at 50 for the LCR and 60 for the 4 surrounds. I did try 80 hz crossover but got the best audio SQ with the 50 hz. I have dual stacks of 2 Submersives in each front corner and Pro set those trims at -1 and the seat shakes and vibrates at -5 on the volume. Bass is pretty much the same either at 50 or 80 crossover so I went with what sounds best for me for SQ. Using Pro with XT32 is a improvement with overall bass and SQ.
post #3774 of 5255
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

 
My new workflow is to have Pro loaded on a permanently networked desktop, actually my workstation in an adjacent room, turn on the 5508 remotely with an iPhone app and load the calibration without even going into the room. No standing around waiting to click the mouse ... I can continue with whatever I was doing and click - click as needed. Actually this will be my new workflow when I get my 5508 back from having the HDMI board replaced; I am anxious to see how fast my quad-core 3.2GHz i7/12GB overclocked system RAM calcs and loads a cal.

Soon-to-be-freezin,
Jeff

 

I'd like to do it that way - I have a computer permanently in my setup for the HTPC but it is a Mac Mini so obviously I can’t run Pro on it. If it was a PC, your way seems terrific.

post #3775 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

I spent half the day trying to connect and use Pro. Frustrated as hell so I put everything away and went online and found your post. I'll try it another day after I calm down and quit cursing Audyssey for their complicated product. Pushing 70 this year and I don't need the f***** frustration.

 

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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Doig the install now and it is slick and simple to work with. Thanx guys!

Bill

 

What a difference a day makes, eh, Bill?  :)

post #3776 of 5255
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

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Originally Posted by calentz View Post

 Isn't it amazing how much better things work after you understand them?

When you are 70, yes it is amazing. Pro set my crossovers at 50 for the LCR and 60 for the 4 surrounds. I did try 80 hz crossover but got the best audio SQ with the 50 hz. I have dual stacks of 2 Submersives in each front corner and Pro set those trims at -1 and the seat shakes and vibrates at -5 on the volume. Bass is pretty much the same either at 50 or 80 crossover so I went with what sounds best for me for SQ. Using Pro with XT32 is a improvement with overall bass and SQ.

 

Bill - you have FOUR Submersives??   Respect, man, respect.....!!!

post #3777 of 5255
I too have a computer "permanently" hooked up to my computer but it's a Win 7 machine. I use it for not only HTPC purposes but also to adjust the miniDSPs in real time with a Omnimic used when needed. It's my alternative to Audyssey Pro. I'm feeling a lot of pressure to use REW but so far have resisted.
post #3778 of 5255
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I too have a computer "permanently" hooked up to my computer but it's a Win 7 machine. I use it for not only HTPC purposes but also to adjust the miniDSPs in real time with a Omnimic used when needed. It's my alternative to Audyssey Pro. I'm feeling a lot of pressure to use REW but so far have resisted.

 

You'd have no problems with the new REW (ver 5.x) Theresa. It is so much more powerful than OM and can do so many more things, better.

post #3779 of 5255
I'm on the verge of ordering a USB mic from Cross-Spectrum. Then I suppose I'll have to buy one of those awful Radio Shack SLMs. I used to own one that I purchased to measure noise from a highway in my back yard when I had a house. I wanted the state to put up sound abatement. I lost it in a move.
post #3780 of 5255
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I'm on the verge of ordering a USB mic from Cross-Spectrum. Then I suppose I'll have to buy one of those awful Radio Shack SLMs. I used to own one that I purchased to measure noise from a highway in my back yard when I had a house. I wanted the state to put up sound abatement. I lost it in a move.

 

I knew you’d succumb to the siren call of REW before long! :)  You only need the SPL meter once, to calibrate the mic level. Maybe you could borrow one?  Although HST, I do find mine useful to own.

 

Download Jerry's REW Setup Guide if you haven’t already - it is a WIP but it already contains loads of useful info. It's linked in his sig.

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