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post #3781 of 4228
1/27/13 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I knew you’d succumb to the siren call of REW before long! smile.gif  You only need the SPL meter once, to calibrate the mic level. Maybe you could borrow one?  Although HST, I do find mine useful to own.

Download Jerry's REW Setup Guide if you haven’t already - it is a WIP but it already contains loads of useful info. It's linked in his sig.

All my friends and acquaintances are technically illiterate. I'll just have to stop by the local RS and pick one up.
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post #3782 of 4228
1/27/13 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

You only need the SPL meter once, to calibrate the mic level.

If you buy the USB mic then isn't this step unnecessary?

EDIT: Nevermind, I totally skipped step 5 as I was "fast forwarding" through the ASIO stuff.

@AJ: I'll redo some measurements today after I calibrate mic level and post mdat files.
Edited by jkasanic - 1/27/13 at 7:09am
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post #3783 of 4228
1/27/13 at 7:06am
I can't even get REW to recognize my Omnimic.
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post #3784 of 4228
1/27/13 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

I can't even get REW to recognize my Omnimic.

Did you download the latest REW "beta" version? This is the first version with OM mic support. Do you have a rev 1 or rev 2 mic? If rev 1 did you send back to have it calibrated?
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post #3785 of 4228
1/27/13 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

Did you download the latest REW "beta" version? This is the first version with OM mic support. Do you have a rev 1 or rev 2 mic? If rev 1 did you send back to have it calibrated?
Newest version installed.
Omnimic rev. 2
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post #3786 of 4228
1/27/13 at 7:37am
Ok. After many tries it now recognized my Omnimic and HDMI output. Must now experiment.
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post #3787 of 4228
1/27/13 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

Did you download the latest REW "beta" version? This is the first version with OM mic support. Do you have a rev 1 or rev 2 mic? If rev 1 did you send back to have it calibrated?
Newest version installed.
Omnimic rev. 2

Ok, as Keith said already, give Jerry's guide a whirl. Could be that you don't have the windows portion configured just right. The minute I started REW after doing the windows portion, it asked me if the OM mic should be used and whether or not I had a cal file. If you don't see the OM mic in the drop down list under the sound card preferences tab then I believe it's a Windows config issue. Don't rule out a simple reboot as well!
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post #3788 of 4228
1/27/13 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

Ok, as Keith said already, give Jerry's guide a whirl. Could be that you don't have the windows portion configured just right. The minute I started REW after doing the windows portion, it asked me if the OM mic should be used and whether or not I had a cal file. If you don't see the OM mic in the drop down list under the sound card preferences tab then I believe it's a Windows config issue. Don't rule out a simple reboot as well!

Read through the configuration section in Jerry's guide. All was correctly set up. REW just wouldn't detect the Omnimic. Eventually after many tries it finally did. It also wouldn't recognize the HDMI output initially but now does without any change to the windows config. Should I use the Omnimic's cal file?
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post #3789 of 4228
1/27/13 at 8:35am

I don't mean to offend anyone, but this conversation should be taking place in the REW thread, not here in the Pro thread.  Can we get back on topic, please?

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post #3790 of 4228
1/27/13 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I don't mean to offend anyone, but this conversation should be taking place in the REW thread, not here in the Pro thread.  Can we get back on topic, please?

My apologies.
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post #3791 of 4228
1/27/13 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

Ok. After many tries it now recognized my Omnimic and HDMI output. Must now experiment.

You may not need another mic then Theresa - the ver 2 of OM has a cal file that REW can use.

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post #3792 of 4228
1/27/13 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I'd like to do it that way - I have a computer permanently in my setup for the HTPC but it is a Mac Mini so obviously I can’t run Pro on it. If it was a PC, your way seems terrific.

Doesn't Pro run on Bootcamp?
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post #3793 of 4228
1/27/13 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I'd like to do it that way - I have a computer permanently in my setup for the HTPC but it is a Mac Mini so obviously I can’t run Pro on it. If it was a PC, your way seems terrific.

Doesn't Pro run on Bootcamp?

 

I assume so Jeff. But that would mean installing Windows on to one of my Macs <shudder>  ;)

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post #3794 of 4228
1/27/13 at 2:38pm
I'm leaving my laptop in place with the connections for Pro so I can run Pro whenever I want. It's alot easier then packing it all away then setting it all up when you need it. Just me in the house so no body can complain about stuff left out.
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post #3795 of 4228
1/27/13 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I assume so Jeff. But that would mean installing Windows on to one of my Macs  wink.gif

rolleyes.gif

Depending on whether or not I get a noticeable bump up in speed for the loading of different calibrations, I may try any new cals from here as well. No reason to be in the threater as long as the box running Pro is a few steps away ... set mic ... walk ... click mouse ... wait and prepare to repeat.

Jeff
Edited by pepar - 1/27/13 at 3:12pm
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post #3796 of 4228
1/27/13 at 4:09pm

^ I do the same thing.  Laptop sitting on top of the equipment rack, connected with the USB cable.  Desktop computer in office across the hall.  I run Pro on the laptop, connected to the desktop using Windows Remote Desktop.  This allows me to get real work done while the calibration is running.

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post #3797 of 4228
1/27/13 at 5:35pm
^ Great minds ...
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post #3798 of 4228
1/27/13 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

^ I do the same thing.  Laptop sitting on top of the equipment rack, connected with the USB cable.  Desktop computer in office across the hall.  I run Pro on the laptop, connected to the desktop using Windows Remote Desktop.  This allows me to get real work done while the calibration is running.

Haha, I use GotoMyPC to go between work and home PCs. Reloading Pro cals and tweaking Target Curves during dead time on conference calls seems like a potential reallocation of my time LOL....
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post #3799 of 4228
1/28/13 at 3:17am
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I assume so Jeff. But that would mean installing Windows on to one of my Macs  wink.gif

rolleyes.gif

Depending on whether or not I get a noticeable bump up in speed for the loading of different calibrations, I may try any new cals from here as well. No reason to be in the threater as long as the box running Pro is a few steps away ... set mic ... walk ... click mouse ... wait and prepare to repeat.

Jeff

 

It's certainly an attractive way to do it. But I don't run Pro very often anyway - only if I change something in the room, which is rare nowadays. I'd like to have a similar permanent setup for REW though...

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post #3800 of 4228
1/28/13 at 5:12am
Bonjour Keith,
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

It's certainly an attractive way to do it. But I don't run Pro very often anyway - only if I change something in the room, which is rare nowadays. I'd like to have a similar permanent setup for REW though...

Between the change of my subs, the replacement of the Denon 4311 by a 4520 and now by a Marantz 8801, lately I've made @ 15 (personal) Pro calibrations... wink.gif

Now for Jerry, the web interface of the 8801 has the same problem as the 4520. Even worse as when you use 2 subs, the web interface of the 8801 only shows 1 (single) sub eek.gif... and when one makes sub trim changes in "speakers", this doesn't modify the "audio" menu, which keeps the previous values... mad.gif

I'm slowly starting to loose confidence in D&M products...

Amicalement,

Hugo
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post #3801 of 4228
1/28/13 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by Hugo S View Post

Bonjour Keith,
Between the change of my subs, the replacement of the Denon 4311 by a 4520 and now by a Marantz 8801, lately I've made @ 15 (personal) Pro calibrations... wink.gif

Now for Jerry, the web interface of the 8801 has the same problem as the 4520. Even worse as when you use 2 subs, the web interface of the 8801 only shows 1 (single) sub eek.gif... and when one makes sub trim changes in "speakers", this doesn't modify the "audio" menu, which keeps the previous values... mad.gif

I'm slowly starting to loose confidence in D&M products...

Amicalement,

Hugo

 

My sympathies, Hugo.  For this very reason, I don't use the web interface for anything but loading and saving configuration files.

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post #3802 of 4228
1/28/13 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by Hugo S View Post

Bonjour Keith,
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

It's certainly an attractive way to do it. But I don't run Pro very often anyway - only if I change something in the room, which is rare nowadays. I'd like to have a similar permanent setup for REW though...

Between the change of my subs, the replacement of the Denon 4311 by a 4520 and now by a Marantz 8801, lately I've made @ 15 (personal) Pro calibrations... wink.gif

Now for Jerry, the web interface of the 8801 has the same problem as the 4520. Even worse as when you use 2 subs, the web interface of the 8801 only shows 1 (single) sub eek.gif... and when one makes sub trim changes in "speakers", this doesn't modify the "audio" menu, which keeps the previous values... mad.gif

I'm slowly starting to loose confidence in D&M products...

Amicalement,

Hugo

 

Bonjour Hugo!

 

Onkyo, Denon - Ils sont tous les mêmes. Ils ont tous des bons points et mauvais points. En fin de compte, nous devons choisir les caractéristiques qui nous conviennent le mieux je crois. 

 

A bientôt mon ami...

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post #3803 of 4228
1/28/13 at 7:17am

^

Plus un...
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post #3804 of 4228
1/28/13 at 10:41am
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Haha, I use GotoMyPC to go between work and home PCs. Reloading Pro cals and tweaking Target Curves during dead time on conference calls seems like a potential reallocation of my time LOL....

Next is a PC in the loo!
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post #3805 of 4228
1/28/13 at 10:46am
I have a question about the Pro kit versus the built-in MultiEQ. I have an Integra 80.3. Does the pro kit give you more resolution when setting the levels for a speaker? I set my levels manually using REW and an SPL meter. There are 14 frequencies available in the 80.3 where you can set the level (40Hz, 45Hz, 50Hz, 55Hz, 60Hz, 70Hz, 80Hz(THX),
90Hz, 100Hz, 110Hz, 120Hz, 130Hz, 150Hz, 200Hz). With the Pro kit, are there more frequencies that get set (more resolution)? I would not want to buy the Pro kit if I don't get more "set points" in the 80.3. Sorry if this has already been answered.
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post #3806 of 4228
1/28/13 at 11:02am
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I have a question about the Pro kit versus the built-in MultiEQ. I have an Integra 80.3. Does the pro kit give you more resolution when setting the levels for a speaker? I set my levels manually using REW and an SPL meter. There are 14 frequencies available in the 80.3 where you can set the level (40Hz, 45Hz, 50Hz, 55Hz, 60Hz, 70Hz, 80Hz(THX),
90Hz, 100Hz, 110Hz, 120Hz, 130Hz, 150Hz, 200Hz). With the Pro kit, are there more frequencies that get set (more resolution)? I would not want to buy the Pro kit if I don't get more "set points" in the 80.3. Sorry if this has already been answered.

No.  The Pro kit simply leverages the AVR's underlying Audyssey technology, e.g. MultEq XT or XT32. 

 

If you calibrate with either the consumer version, or the Pro version, you really shouldn't be adjusting the levels using an SPL after completing the calibration.  The levels set by Audyssey are likely to be more accurate than anything you get with an SPL.

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post #3807 of 4228
1/28/13 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by stu54 View Post

I have a question about the Pro kit versus the built-in MultiEQ. I have an Integra 80.3. Does the pro kit give you more resolution when setting the levels for a speaker? I set my levels manually using REW and an SPL meter. There are 14 frequencies available in the 80.3 where you can set the level (40Hz, 45Hz, 50Hz, 55Hz, 60Hz, 70Hz, 80Hz(THX),
90Hz, 100Hz, 110Hz, 120Hz, 130Hz, 150Hz, 200Hz). With the Pro kit, are there more frequencies that get set (more resolution)? I would not want to buy the Pro kit if I don't get more "set points" in the 80.3. Sorry if this has already been answered.

Setting those levels per frequency is done in the manual EQ and has nothing to do with Audyssey.  Consequently, adding Pro will not change that.  

 

OTOH, if you are referring to the level sets for each channel and/or the crossover frequencies for each channel as set by MultEQ, adding Pro will not change that either although it will do more precise computations and rank the crossovers, per channel, by desirability.

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post #3808 of 4228
1/28/13 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

No.  The Pro kit simply leverages the AVR's underlying Audyssey technology, e.g. MultEq XT or XT32. 

If you calibrate with either the consumer version, or the Pro version, you really shouldn't be adjusting the levels using an SPL after completing the calibration.  The levels set by Audyssey are likely to be more accurate than anything you get with an SPL.

Thanks for your reply. I realize I can set the levels manually or use the XT32 to set up the speakers and I tried both. I have a button on my remote set so I can turn the Audyssey on and off which will switch between the XT32 settings and my settings. I find that for some movies the Audyssey sounds better and for others my setting using REW sound better. If I don't gain any more set points with the Pro kit then I would just be getting more accurate measurements for the same set of frequencies. I have an odd-shaped room so having more set points would have been an improvement.
Edited by stu54 - 1/28/13 at 12:57pm
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post #3809 of 4228
1/28/13 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by stu54 View Post

I have a question about the Pro kit versus the built-in MultiEQ. I have an Integra 80.3. Does the pro kit give you more resolution when setting the levels for a speaker? I set my levels manually using REW and an SPL meter. There are 14 frequencies available in the 80.3 where you can set the level (40Hz, 45Hz, 50Hz, 55Hz, 60Hz, 70Hz, 80Hz(THX),
90Hz, 100Hz, 110Hz, 120Hz, 130Hz, 150Hz, 200Hz). With the Pro kit, are there more frequencies that get set (more resolution)? I would not want to buy the Pro kit if I don't get more "set points" in the 80.3. Sorry if this has already been answered.
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Quite simply, the built- in EQ is in no way competitive with Audyssey. It is not close. And, you cannot listen to both simultaneously. They are mutually exclusive. But, you are off on a agent somewhere. Audyssey is an automatic EQ system via the calibration mike that tailors EQ for your room at hundreds of frequency control points. The built-in EQ is downright rinky-dinky, bush league by comparison, and there is no automatic mike calibration for it. So, you are really off target and need to understand some basic essentials before proceeding.
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post #3810 of 4228
1/28/13 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by fitzcaraldo215 View Post

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Quite simply, the built- in EQ is in no way competitive with Audyssey. It is not close. And, you cannot listen to both simultaneously. They are mutually exclusive. But, you are off on a agent somewhere. Audyssey is an automatic EQ system via the calibration mike that tailors EQ for your room at hundreds of frequency control points. The built-in EQ is downright rinky-dinky, bush league by comparison, and there is no automatic mike calibration for it. So, you are really off target and need to understand some basic essentials before proceeding.

So you are saying that the XT32 has many more frequencies that the 14 shown for the manual equalizer. I was under the impression that the XT32 just set the level for the speaker at those 14 frequencies instead of me doing it with REW and my SPL meter. What you are saying is that internally there are more frequency points that the XT32 can use. Now the question for me is whether using the Pro kit would make the XT32 measurements so much better than the supplied calibration mike and it is worth spending the $500 plus license fee to get it.
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