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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

I do fine with 6 positions (Pro). Had a installer tell me that the more positions you do depending on the size of the room, the flatter it will be. 6 to 8 positons in a small to medium room is ideal.

Yes, but remember an installer is based toward using as few positions as he can to save time. I think 8 can be fine, and I have had that work quite well for a single chair listening setup. I would never use less than that. But, the larger the intended listening area, the more you should use. Of course, going ape and using a whole lot of positions is going to be very time consuming with diminishing returns as to sonic improvements. There is a happy medium.

I have settled on 11 positions over the circumference of my 3 seat listening sofa plus 3 more center weighted ones over the center cushion, and I am pretty happy with that.
post #3932 of 5258
Thanks for the input.
I do have one more question before my next calibation.
Please forgive me if this sounds dumb. As I look at the pro mic it appears to me that just the top 1/2'' or so is the actual receptor. So when placing the mic at ear level I have been placing the tip of the mic at ear level. Is this correct??

Tom
post #3933 of 5258
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I use a pattern like this:





I used to use more measurment points but reduced the number to eight because the Denon 4520 had an issue with slow data transfer times using Pro (which has since been resolved with a FW update).  I liked what I was getting with eight points, so haven't returned to a higher number.

HST, I would recommend taking at least eight measurement points.

Austin, I never have used measurment points behind the MLP before. Should I be using them? Difference.

My setup has a row of 4 seats and I use these points:

6 ---- 8 ---- 7

4 --- 2 --- 1 ---3 --- 5

the 6, 8, and 7 points should be aligned with 2,1, and 3
Edited by nezff - 3/1/13 at 5:46am
post #3934 of 5258

There are no hard rules for microphone placement.  As long as the mic placement is not too close to a wall, there is nothing wrong with taking measurements behind the MLP.  In my case, I sit in a recliner, and I want to make sure I measure points that represent the chair fully reclined.  Note that the back measurement points are only 12" towards the rear.

post #3935 of 5258
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

Thanks for the input.
I do have one more question before my next calibation.
Please forgive me if this sounds dumb. As I look at the pro mic it appears to me that just the top 1/2'' or so is the actual receptor. So when placing the mic at ear level I have been placing the tip of the mic at ear level. Is this correct??

Tom

Yes.

Jeff
post #3936 of 5258
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

There are no hard rules for microphone placement.  As long as the mic placement is not too close to a wall, there is nothing wrong with taking measurements behind the MLP.  In my case, I sit in a recliner, and I want to make sure I measure points that represent the chair fully reclined.  Note that the back measurement points are only 12" towards the rear.

It might have been an anomaly of my room modes, but when I started measuring two positions behind the MLP my bottom end solidified nicely. Before, it had been a bit on the wimpy side. I have no real explanation, just the observation. So now when I do calibrations, if there is space and measuring there doesn't encroach on the wall, I always take two measurements behind the MLP. And I always get good results.

Jeff
post #3937 of 5258
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

It might have been an anomaly of my room modes, but when I started measuring two positions behind the MLP my bottom end solidified nicely. Before, it had been a bit on the wimpy side. I have no real explanation, just the observation. So now when I do calibrations, if there is space and measuring there doesn't encroach on the wall, I always take two measurements behind the MLP. And I always get good results.

Jeff

hmmm great info.

I have never taken those measurments before. Might have to try that. I have reclining berklines and usually lower all the seatbacks when calibrating.
post #3938 of 5258
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

hmmm great info.

I have never taken those measurments before. Might have to try that. I have reclining berklines and usually lower all the seatbacks when calibrating.

Agreed. I will be taking delivery in a week or so of some new red leather Jaymars, which will necessitate a new calibration. Definitely, I will try some positions behind. But,I am glad this came up, because I had not thought of it.
post #3939 of 5258
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Originally Posted by fitzcaraldo215 View Post

Agreed. I will be taking delivery in a week or so of some new red leather Jaymars, which will necessitate a new calibration. Definitely, I will try some positions behind. But,I am glad this came up, because I had not thought of it.

I do remember Chris (Audyssey) stating to recline the seatbacks whenever possible.
post #3940 of 5258
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post


I do remember Chris (Audyssey) stating to recline the seatbacks whenever possible.

 

I do this quite often.  As a matter of fact, a fair part of my day is spent reclined in my chair!  tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I do this quite often.  As a matter of fact, a fair part of my day is spent reclined in my chair!  tongue.gif

nice! tongue.gif
post #3942 of 5258
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I do this quite often.  As a matter of fact, a fair part of my day is spent reclined in my chair!  tongue.gif

I never recline my seats when calibrating; I calibrate for upright sitting. If I put my seat back, which I do, it usually means I am watching a sporting event on TV - and not critically listening. But my speakers are aimed for upright sitting, and my head is on the edge of nearfield when I am upright. So that's where the calibration is done.

YMMV.

Jeff
post #3943 of 5258

Spoken like a younger man, Jeff.  When you get to be my age, listening to music is a short prelude to taking a nap, which is best done reclining.  wink.gif

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Spoken like a younger man, Jeff.  When you get to be my age, listening to music is a short prelude to taking a nap, which is best done reclining.  wink.gif

Amen to that. I am looking forward to reclining, and actually due to the relatively high backs just at or above ear level, it might sound better that way. I will have to decide where I want the first calibration point, but for starters I will use my head position in upright mode, but I will recline the chairs, of course, for the calibration so the high backs do not cause adverse reflections into the mike. I always put some soft blankets on the sofa during calibration. They are soft and cuddly just like me sitting there.
post #3945 of 5258
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Spoken like a younger man, Jeff.  When you get to be my age, listening to music is a short prelude to taking a nap, which is best done reclining.  wink.gif

I was born in 1950. Am I a younger man? wink.gif
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post


I was born in 1950. Am I a younger man? wink.gif

 

I'm afraid so.

post #3947 of 5258
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I'm afraid so.

You both are younger than me.
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post


You both are younger than me.

Bragger.

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I'm afraid so.

What does that make me, who turned 50 in November and has a second kid in beta? A teenager? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by sdrucker View Post


What does that make me, who turned 50 in November and has a second kid in beta? A teenager? biggrin.gif

Yeah.  Like my kids.

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What does that make me, who turned 50 in November and has a second kid in beta? A teenager? biggrin.gif

it makes you about 68 when this one graduates high school. eek.gif
post #3952 of 5258
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I experimented with up to 14 mic positions. I found that any more than 8 or 9 made little or no difference (in my small room) and in any case, if one is mainly concerned with measuring just the main seat, it's hard to do more than about 10 anyway.

I find that to be true as well.

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Originally Posted by fitzcaraldo215 View Post

Yes, but remember an installer is based toward using as few positions as he can to save time. I think 8 can be fine, and I have had that work quite well for a single chair listening setup. I would never use less than that. But, the larger the intended listening area, the more you should use. Of course, going ape and using a whole lot of positions is going to be very time consuming with diminishing returns as to sonic improvements. There is a happy medium.

Try calibrating two Audyssey boxes(SEQ and SubEQ) using 12 measurement positions while trying to get the mic positions in exactly the same spots.I had to create a crude 'make shift' template and it takes me about 4-5 hrs. to complete the calibration, if I'm lucky!eek.gif
post #3953 of 5258
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I was born in 1950. Am I a younger man? wink.gif

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I'm afraid so.

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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

You both are younger than me.

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Bragger.

So do any of you old codgers have experience in doing mic placements around a Hoveround scooter ??tongue.gif

I celebrated my 61st B'day yesterday and the scooter can't be too far away.

Tom
post #3954 of 5258
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post
So do any of you old codgers have experience in doing mic placements around a Hoveround scooter ??tongue.gif
 

Nah.  I just put the mic on a Roomba!

post #3955 of 5258
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Nah.  I just put the mic on a Roomba!

Good show, I love that remark.

post #3956 of 5258
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post




So do any of you old codgers have experience in doing mic placements around a Hoveround scooter ??tongue.gif

I celebrated my 61st B'day yesterday and the scooter can't be too far away.

Tom
Get yours quickly. The government announced a fraud investigation of the company.
post #3957 of 5258
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Originally Posted by wlhungdude View Post

it makes you about 68 when this one graduates high school. eek.gif

By then, 68 will be the new 50 LOL cool.gif
post #3958 of 5258
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Originally Posted by sdrucker View Post

 
By then, 68 will be the new 50 LOL cool.gif

It is.  biggrin.gif

post #3959 of 5258

I'm told you're as old as the woman you feel. Which makes me just over 40... ;)

post #3960 of 5258
How old is the guy you see in the mirror first thing in the morning?
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