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post #3961 of 5258
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

How old is the guy you see in the mirror first thing in the morning?

 

Him?  Damn - he's a helluva lot older than I am! 

post #3962 of 5258
I'm thinking I should know/remember this, but after a Pro calibration, if I want to experiment with raising the crossovers, can I do so without deleterious effect in the processor, or do I need to reload the saved Pro measurements, set the crossovers there, and upload back to the processor.

My recollection is with standard Audyssey it is fine to do the former, but since processing with Pro is occurring in the computer, I'm thinking I need to do the latter so the filters are built correctly.

Thanks
post #3963 of 5258
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I'm thinking I should know/remember this, but after a Pro calibration, if I want to experiment with raising the crossovers, can I do so without deleterious effect in the processor, or do I need to reload the saved Pro measurements, set the crossovers there, and upload back to the processor.

My recollection is with standard Audyssey it is fine to do the former, but since processing with Pro is occurring in the computer, I'm thinking I need to do the latter so the filters are built correctly.

Thanks

 

The recommended way is to re-load the saved measurements file and select the new crossover values in Pro.  While it is not as quick as changing them in the AVR, it's really not that difficult.

post #3964 of 5258
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I'm thinking I should know/remember this, but after a Pro calibration, if I want to experiment with raising the crossovers, can I do so without deleterious effect in the processor, or do I need to reload the saved Pro measurements, set the crossovers there, and upload back to the processor.

My recollection is with standard Audyssey it is fine to do the former, but since processing with Pro is occurring in the computer, I'm thinking I need to do the latter so the filters are built correctly.

Thanks

 

The recommended way is to re-load the saved measurements file and select the new crossover values in Pro.  While it is not as quick as changing them in the AVR, it's really not that difficult.

 

Concurred, although TBH I haven't noticed much, if any, difference from just changing them in the processor. I’d prefer to change them via Pro, but Pro doesn't always (often) give me the settings I am after. Maybe I shouldn't be after them.... ;)

post #3965 of 5258
It strikes me as very interesting that so many of us "old, but young at heart" dudes have latched onto this very new technology. The standard cliche is that older folks are more stuck in their ways and more resistant to technological change, and I have found much of that often to be true, especially in audio, but in all things technological. Likely with Audyssey, though, our long experience has taught us that audio progress moving forward incrementally a tweak or a slightly better new piece of gear at a time was really not cutting it. So, we are receptive to a more radical approach that begins to address the big problem, the previously untold story, of the effects of the room on our sound without relying totally on cumbersome and complex passive treatments. It has been a revelation to me that has been priceless, thanks to advances in digital signal processing technology. That goes also for my closest audiophile friends, they are all about my, ahem, advanced age, who have also been just as elated about it as have I.

I am sure there are a lot of tech savvy younger guys out there, too, who are getting just as much enjoyment out of this technology. It is a great fellowship that cuts across age barriers, because it makes such a difference of breakthrough proportions.
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It strikes me as very interesting that so many of us "old, but young at heart" dudes have latched onto this very new technology. The standard cliche is that older folks are more stuck in their ways and more resistant to technological change, and I have found much of that often to be true, especially in audio, but in all things technological. Likely with Audyssey, though, our long experience has taught us that audio progress moving forward incrementally a tweak or a slightly better new piece of gear at a time was really not cutting it. So, we are receptive to a more radical approach that begins to address the big problem, the previously untold story, of the effects of the room on our sound without relying totally on cumbersome and complex passive treatments. It has been a revelation to me that has been priceless, thanks to advances in digital signal processing technology. That goes also for my closest audiophile friends, they are all about my, ahem, advanced age, who have also been just as elated about it as have I.

I am sure there are a lot of tech savvy younger guys out there, too, who are getting just as much enjoyment out of this technology. It is a great fellowship that cuts across age barriers, because it makes such a difference of breakthrough proportions.

It's the technological antidote for the male midlife crisis, but instead of finding a hottie, we diddle with dials..

While morally correct and bacterially safer, it does cost a lot more, and, in different ways, can still get us in trouble with our spouses.
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It's the technological antidote for the male midlife crisis, but instead of finding a hottie, we diddle with dials.

I sought the more traditional solution to my first mid-life crisis but, since I am having another one as I contemplate retirement, the technological dalliance will have to do.

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I sought the more traditional solution to my first mid-life crisis but, since I am having another one as I contemplate retirement, the technological dalliance will have to do.

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The other advantage is, in one of the approaches, there is a mute switch when you don't want to listen anymore....
post #3969 of 5258
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

It's the technological antidote for the male midlife crisis, but instead of finding a hottie, we diddle with dials..

While morally correct and bacterially safer, it does cost a lot more, and, in different ways, can still get us in trouble with our spouses.

I think my wife prefers me picking up Lumagen Minis, Pro pre-amps, and UMM-6 calibrated mics to me picking up a perky personal trainer at the health club, if you put it like that....

BTW as a rule, I wouldn't assume that age precludes at least some technological advancement. My soon-to-be 85 mother just upgraded her phone to an IPhone 5. She may not understand HDMI, but she likes the idea of Siri biggrin.gif
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Question: with Pro, can I save more than one profile for seating & postions to be used in a room? Like one for just me and one for company filling all 6 seats?
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Question: with Pro, can I save more than one profile for seating & postions to be used in a room? Like one for just me and one for company filling all 6 seats?

Sure. Let us know if you can discern a difference and, if so, what the difference is. In the MLP for both and then one or two of the non-MLP seats for both.

Jeff
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I did a new Pro reading Friday. Everything went well. I went into Pro yesterday and did some tweaking, and everything went well.
Today I tried to get into Pro and I couldn't.
Pro would open, and when I chose 80,3 it would display the IP address and port# which were both correct, and when I hit 'OK' it would not go to the next popup where it asks for my licence key.

So I checked in the 80.3 and it appears I am not getting a connection to the net thru my LAN cable. So I switched the LAN cable from my Oppo 105 (which I checked and was getting a good connection) and still nothing.

I checked the settings in the 80.3 and they seem correct, but it is not connecting to the net. Neither when I select the 'NET' source or if I go into 'FIRMWARE UPDATE'.

If anyone has any suggestions I would be most appreciative.

Tom
post #3973 of 5258
Is the network setting in the 80.3 menu available? Are you using DHCP or have you manually assigned IP, DNS and gateway settings?
post #3974 of 5258
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

I did a new Pro reading Friday. Everything went well. I went into Pro yesterday and did some tweaking, and everything went well.
Today I tried to get into Pro and I couldn't.
Pro would open, and when I chose 80,3 it would display the IP address and port# which were both correct, and when I hit 'OK' it would not go to the next popup where it asks for my licence key.

So I checked in the 80.3 and it appears I am not getting a connection to the net thru my LAN cable. So I switched the LAN cable from my Oppo 105 (which I checked and was getting a good connection) and still nothing.

I checked the settings in the 80.3 and they seem correct, but it is not connecting to the net. Neither when I select the 'NET' source or if I go into 'FIRMWARE UPDATE'.

If anyone has any suggestions I would be most appreciative.

Tom

When in doubt give it a reach around - turn it off and unplug it, repower, and try again.

Can you ping the IP address of the 80.3 from your computer?
post #3975 of 5258
I was guessing he is using dynamic IP and it had changed between uses. If so, it would have changed again when he used the Ethernet cable from the oppo. I eventually switched to a static IP address.

Btw, the Onkyo iPhone app will list the IP address which if dynamic is used can be used to (re)confirm IP.
Jeff
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I was guessing he is using dynamic IP and it had changed between uses. If so, it would have changed again when he used the Ethernet cable from the oppo. I eventually switched to a static IP address.

Btw, the Onkyo iPhone app will list the IP address which if dynamic is used can be used to (re)confirm IP.
Jeff

Yes, despite our desire for sonic perfection, static is good in these cases...
post #3977 of 5258
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

I did a new Pro reading Friday. Everything went well. I went into Pro yesterday and did some tweaking, and everything went well.
Today I tried to get into Pro and I couldn't.
Pro would open, and when I chose 80,3 it would display the IP address and port# which were both correct, and when I hit 'OK' it would not go to the next popup where it asks for my licence key.

So I checked in the 80.3 and it appears I am not getting a connection to the net thru my LAN cable. So I switched the LAN cable from my Oppo 105 (which I checked and was getting a good connection) and still nothing.

I checked the settings in the 80.3 and they seem correct, but it is not connecting to the net. Neither when I select the 'NET' source or if I go into 'FIRMWARE UPDATE'.

If anyone has any suggestions I would be most appreciative.

Tom

 

On my 5509 which is the same unit as the 80.3, I cannot get to the popup that asks for the key if I have not made a connection to the network router. It gives me a 'communication timeout error' instead. This suggests to me that you did have a connection to the router and the 80.3.

 

You seem to be saying that you are not connected to the Internet (Net source and Firmware update). You don't need an Internet connection to run Pro. The (old, spare) router I use to connect between my laptop and my 5509 isn’t even connected to the Internet at all. I just use it for Pro calibrations. 

 

So I'm not sure what you are asking. If you can enter the Key, then you are connected and can run Pro. What was it you are trying to do?

 

One of the first things I always do before running Pro is to open the network screen and look at the IP address that the 5009 is showing for the router I use. It should be 192.168.1.64 but sometimes it isn't and I am forced to power off the 5509, power on again and let it 'have another go'. It is essential that the IP address is correct and DHCP should find it but sometimes it seems not to, in my setup anyway. Check that the correct IP address is showing. But like I say, if you can enter the Key you are connected.

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

On my 5509 which is the same unit as the 80.3, I cannot get to the popup that asks for the key if I have not made a connection to the network router. It gives me a 'communication timeout error' instead. This suggests to me that you did have a connection to the router and the 80.3.
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

When in doubt give it a reach around - turn it off and unplug it, repower, and try again.

Can you ping the IP address of the 80.3 from your computer?

Being the simplest solution, I tried this first thing this morning.
And it worked !!biggrin.gif

But, being a geezer and a computer moron I have no idea what you mean by 'ping the ip address from my computer'. Sorry.

Thanks again for all your gus help.

Tom

Edited by tngiloy - 3/6/13 at 4:28am
post #3979 of 5258
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post


But, being a geezer and a computer moron I have no idea what you mean by 'ping the ip address from my computer'. Sorry.

Tom
He heard a PC guy say that one time. smile.gif
post #3980 of 5258
Depending on whether you use a Mac or a PC, there are ways to test the destination IP address to see if it responds. That's called pinging the address.

In OS X, you would use the Network utility app



and enter the address your 80.3 is using - if it does not respond, you know there is something wrong with the device or its connection to you LAN.

In Windows 7, you could use the CMD prompt



though I'm sure there are free GUI alternatives.
post #3981 of 5258
Pinging requires advance knowledge of the IP address. Before I began using the Onk remote iPhone app, I would log onto my router and look at the attached devices list. If my 5508 has a network connection, both methods will show it along with IP.

I recommend the smartphone app for doing this, and as I remotely load calibrations, I use the app to power on the unit before launching Pro.

Jeff
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Pinging requires advance knowledge of the IP address. Before I began using the Onk remote iPhone app, I would log onto my router and look at the attached devices list. If my 5508 has a network connection, both methods will show it along with IP.

I recommend the smartphone app for doing this, and as I remotely load calibrations, I use the app to power on the unit before launching Pro.

Jeff


I use Fing on the iPad to scan the network, so yes, those are nice tools if you will be looking into your network a lot. But any receiver or pre will generally have a network information option in the menus which tells you the active IP without any further effort. The point of mentioning ping in general is it can help confirm that the destination device is alive and listening.
post #3983 of 5258
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I use Fing on the iPad to scan the network, so yes, those are nice tools if you will be looking into your network a lot. But any receiver or pre will generally have a network information option in the menus which tells you the active IP without any further effort. The point of mentioning ping in general is it can help confirm that the destination device is alive and listening.

When set to HDCP I don't think my 5508 lists the IP. The settings are greyed out. Though maybe they are valid anyway?

Jeff
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Installing Fing now ... w o w

Thanks!
post #3985 of 5258
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Installing Fing now ... w o w

Thanks!

Your welcome - cool little app...even supports wake on LAN for those devices that have it (I can start my media center or Synology server from Fing, though I've since incorporated WoL into my Roomie Remote activities for those devices, so I no longer have to get up to turn them on.

No wonder I'm fat.
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Integra DHC 80.3 Pro issue for me - Tried to calibrate Pro with 9.2 speakers. Measured the 1st postion with 9.2 speakers and it went well. Position 2 did the R, C & L speakers and no tones to the Right FW and any other speaker after that. After that was done, popup said that no tones were generated for speakers. Anybody??????
post #3987 of 5258
Zone configuration screen - did you select the speakers that are active in your system? It's the third or fourth screen.

post #3988 of 5258
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Integra DHC 80.3 Pro issue for me - Tried to calibrate Pro with 9.2 speakers. Measured the 1st postion with 9.2 speakers and it went well. Position 2 did the R, C & L speakers and no tones to the Right FW and any other speaker after that. After that was done, popup said that no tones were generated for speakers. Anybody??????

I've had similar results with various configurations on my DHC-80.3, so far I have had no resolution.

Here's my post from a few months back. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1360965/integra-dhc-80-3/3210#post_22632797
post #3989 of 5258
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Integra DHC 80.3 Pro issue for me - Tried to calibrate Pro with 9.2 speakers. Measured the 1st postion with 9.2 speakers and it went well. Position 2 did the R, C & L speakers and no tones to the Right FW and any other speaker after that. After that was done, popup said that no tones were generated for speakers. Anybody??????

One of our clients has a DTR 80.3 with the same symptoms. We are working with Integra to resolve the problem. Luckily there is a three year warranty. The response has been somewhat slow from them,but they are working with us. I will update the thread when I know more.
post #3990 of 5258
I have traced the issue down to a bad compresion driver (tweeter) in my JTR Triple 8. I swapped the speakers from L & R wides and the speaker tweet is the problem. Same issue when I was trying to calibrate with XT32 and it said I had a error with the R Wide speaker. I did a speaker level calibration and that tweet only had half the output of the others. I'll have t replace it and try it all again.

Thanx, Bill
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