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post #4021 of 4227
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

This has come up before. Email Luke at Audyssey and explain the situation and they will fix it for you.

JLoke@audyssey.com

Thanks!
post #4022 of 4227
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

This has come up before. Email Luke at Audyssey and explain the situation and they will fix it for you.

JLoke@audyssey.com


That might be an unused email address. Please use techsupport@audyssey.com.

Jeff
post #4023 of 4227
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

This has come up before. Email Luke at Audyssey and explain the situation and they will fix it for you.

JLoke@audyssey.com


That might be an unused email address. Please use techsupport@audyssey.com.

Jeff

 

Aha... it's the only one I had for him - we exchanged emails when my preamp blew up if you recall ;)

post #4024 of 4227
Hi Guys,

This is to confirm that my last week's problem to Pro accessing the 8801 has been solved. smile.gif

The solution? Unplugging 8801's electrical plug for "some" time, @ 1h in my case (I went for a walk...).

Initially this was Tom's advice, but rapidly electrically plugging/unplugging the 8801, as the first time I did it, didn't solve the problem... so as usual, haste doesn't solve anything... wink.gif

Now MERCI to you all, as it's here that I found the answer to deal with my problem.

Hugo
post #4025 of 4227
Thread Starter 
^ Très bien, Hugo. Je vous en prie.
post #4026 of 4227
I have a Denon AVR-4520 with the two front channels (FL & FR) amplified by an external amplifier (I use the pre-out of the Denon).
After calibration, both are set to -12db (hardware limitation) and I think this is not good.
Any idea? tnx
post #4027 of 4227
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Originally Posted by gnoto View Post

I have a Denon AVR-4520 with the two front channels (FL & FR) amplified by an external amplifier (I use the pre-out of the Denon).
After calibration, both are set to -12db (hardware limitation) and I think this is not good.
Any idea? tnx

Reduce the gain on the external amplifer.

post #4028 of 4227
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Reduce the gain on the external amplifer.

It's impossible. In this configuration it works as a pure amplifier without any control (gain).
post #4029 of 4227
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Originally Posted by gnoto View Post

It's impossible. In this configuration it works as a pure amplifier without any control (gain).

The other simple option would be signal attenuators. They go in-line between the processor/receiver and amplifier and cut the signal by a fixed amount. Some were posted on one thread or another around here just a few days ago, and cut by 12 dB.
post #4030 of 4227
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gnoto View Post

I have a Denon AVR-4520 with the two front channels (FL & FR) amplified by an external amplifier (I use the pre-out of the Denon).
After calibration, both are set to -12db (hardware limitation) and I think this is not good.
Any idea? tnx

^Hi gnoto, welcome.

I don't know if you are using Audyssey Pro or not, but that is actually immaterial to solving this sort of problem, which has been discussed several times on the main Audyssey thread. There is a FAQ with your questionhere.

Basically, you are right, this is not good because with your current config/uration and attendant gain structure those channels currently at -12 may not be at reference, because the trim on those channels is maxed. The correct trim may need to be be -13, -14, etc. The only way to know if they are correct and just how far off they are is to measure. I'd use test tones and an SPL meter to measure all channels (except the sub, ignore that for this test). If the meter says all channels are outputting just about the same SPL, your situation is really not a problem per se.

If the meter says FR/L are too loud by a small amount, say 1-2dB, you could then simply trim up all the other channels including the sub that amount in the AVR. This will have no adverse effect.

As referenced in the FAQ, a more precise solution that several folks have used and especially recommended if the difference is greater than 1-2dB, is to use what was just mentioned, a line level attenuator on the interconnect from pre to amp. This will bring the trims up off the -12 floor to somewhere closer to mid-range 0, and will therefore allow Autosetup to set all channels to exact reference when you rerun it.
post #4031 of 4227
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Originally Posted by gnoto View Post

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Reduce the gain on the external amplifer.

It's impossible. In this configuration it works as a pure amplifier without any control (gain).

 

Line attenuators (pads) will the job for you simply and cheaply. Read this Audyssey FAQ answer and there are links to some pads in it:

 

e)6.   What do I do if my trim levels are at the limits of their adjustment ('maxed out')?

 

 

EDIT: I had <readahead> set to OFF, so I didn't see SoM's excellent reply.

post #4032 of 4227
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^Hi gnoto, welcome.

I don't know if you are using Audyssey Pro or not, but that is actually immaterial to solving this sort of problem, which has been discussed several times on the main Audyssey thread. There is a FAQ with your questionhere.

Basically, you are right, this is not good because with your current config/uration and attendant gain structure those channels currently at -12 may not be at reference, because the trim on those channels is maxed. The correct trim may need to be be -13, -14, etc. The only way to know if they are correct and just how far off they are is to measure. I'd use test tones and an SPL meter to measure all channels (except the sub, ignore that for this test). If the meter says all channels are outputting just about the same SPL, your situation is really not a problem per se.

If the meter says FR/L are too loud by a small amount, say 1-2dB, you could then simply trim up all the other channels including the sub that amount in the AVR. This will have no adverse effect.

As referenced in the FAQ, a more precise solution that several folks have used and especially recommended if the difference is greater than 1-2dB, is to use what was just mentioned, a line level attenuator on the interconnect from pre to amp. This will bring the trims up off the -12 floor to somewhere closer to mid-range 0, and will therefore allow Autosetup to set all channels to exact reference when you rerun it.

Tnx a lot.
Yes, I'm using Audyssey Pro.
I will try with the first solution (measure with SPL meter). It's not necessary to do a new measure session, right? (also if I've to trim the sub).
post #4033 of 4227
Thread Starter 
^No new calibration is required unless you add the attenuators.

The goal is to have all chs playing the same SPL. The sub is harder to measure accurately so that is why I suggested just measuring the sats to see how far off the FR/L are from the other sat chs. Then, if you do a trim correction by raising the sats that are low till they match the FR/L, simply add that same dB trim correction to the sub ch.
post #4034 of 4227
I had to use attenuators (pads) with my Integra DHC 80.3 with the ONKYO PA-MC5500 amp and 4 ohm speakers. I was running out of trim levels and I use the Harrison Labs Attenuators 12db and got my trims into the 0 and +2 range. I did not have this issue with 8 ohm speakers.
post #4035 of 4227
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

I have left a message with Audyssey Tech every day since last Friday about my install issue (post #3995) with Pro and haven't gotten a response from them. Also sent a email and no reply. This is poor customer service from Audyssey!

We are having an ongoing problem similar to yours. On a DTR 80.3 we get through the first microphone position to all 7 speakers without issue,but on the second pass no sound from any speaker occurs even though the software keeps moving forward to the next speaker until finally it fails. Standard Audyssey works fine for all 8 positions. One of our techs has DTM 80.3 with similar issues. We have been working with Integra as the problem would seem to be on their end. Let's keep in touch on any progress made towards a resolution.
Thanks
Edited by ddingle - 3/18/13 at 11:22am
post #4036 of 4227
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We are having an ongoing problem similar to yours. On a DTR 80.3 we get through the first microphone position to all 7 speakers without issue,but on the second pass no sound from any speaker occurs even though the software keeps moving forward to the next speaker until finally it fails. Standard Audyssey works fine for all 8 positions. One of our techs has DTM 80.3 with similar issues. We have been working with Integra as the problem would seem to be on their end. Let's keep in touch on any progress made towards a resolution.
Thanks

Audyssey has had me clear the Integra several times and reinstall Pro from the web site. Still the same issue with the chirp and 2nd position of the LSurr. XT32 works just fine with no issues. Another email to them today to see what they want to do.
Edited by bsoko2 - 3/18/13 at 2:10pm
post #4037 of 4227
I think I will stay with my now twice-repaired 5508 and abandon my thinking that I might be better off with a 5509/80.3. ...

Jeff
post #4038 of 4227
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I think I will stay with my now twice-repaired 5508 and abandon my thinking that I might be better off with a 5509/80.3. ...

Jeff

 

I think that is a sensible decision Jeff, although my 5509 works perfectly with Pro and has done since day 1.

post #4039 of 4227
The folks at Audyssey seem to be either too busy or simply do not care. My question about the MAC address change has not yet been answered.
post #4040 of 4227
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Originally Posted by audio1246 View Post

The folks at Audyssey seem to be either too busy or simply do not care. My question about the MAC address change has not yet been answered.

techsupport@audyssey.com

Yes, the MAC changed when the HDMI board changed. (Networking is on the same board.) Yes, they will cancel you old license and issue a new one that you will need to assign to the new MAC address.

"Where" did you ask?

Jeff
post #4041 of 4227
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Originally Posted by audio1246 View Post

The folks at Audyssey seem to be either too busy or simply do not care. My question about the MAC address change has not yet been answered.

 

Sadly, your experience seems to be reported more and more. I hope you get a resolution soon.

post #4042 of 4227
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Sadly, your experience seems to be reported more and more. I hope you get a resolution soon.

Not that I have a clue, but is it conceivable that either Luke is on vacation, or they've downsized?
post #4043 of 4227
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Originally Posted by ddingle View Post



We are having an ongoing problem similar to yours. On a DTR 80.3 we get through the first microphone position to all 7 speakers without issue,but on the second pass no sound from any speaker occurs even though the software keeps moving forward to the next speaker until finally it fails. Standard Audyssey works fine for all 8 positions. One of our techs has DTM 80.3 with similar issues. We have been working with Integra as the problem would seem to be on their end. Let's keep in touch on any progress made towards a resolution.
Thanks

I'm still waiting to hear from the tech again about my issue. So far they have been sticking to the script!
post #4044 of 4227
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

techsupport@audyssey.com

Yes, the MAC changed when the HDMI board changed. (Networking is on the same board.) Yes, they will cancel you old license and issue a new one that you will need to assign to the new MAC address.

"Where" did you ask?

Jeff

I emailed techsupport@audyssey.com
post #4045 of 4227
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Sadly, your experience seems to be reported more and more. I hope you get a resolution soon.

Not that I have a clue, but is it conceivable that either Luke is on vacation, or they've downsized?

 

I don't have a clue either, Stuart - but it seems to have been, unfortunately, a pattern for some time. I just think their focus as a company has shifted from stand-alone room correction to 'products' (into which category I also include the 'consumer' versions of MultEQ). Licensing MultEQ to high-volume AVR manufacturers is going to be highly profitable I suspect, compared with comparatively small numbers of Pro licensees. Just a guess on my part.  The purpose of a company is to maximise returns for its shareholders, so I can't really blame them if they have made this shift of focus, although it leaves those customers who have paid several hundred dollars feeling neglected, I admit. It's a shame because their customer service used to be impeccable. 

post #4046 of 4227
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Not that I have a clue, but is it conceivable that either Luke is on vacation, or they've downsized?

Vacation maybe. Plus the email address Keith posted is an older one and not used much. I know because I used it and was given a different one to use. We don't really know where the OP asked, and I am not rushing to judgement. And I am certainly not throwing anyone under the bus without more details on their non-responsiveness, if in fact they are..
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I don't have a clue either, Stuart - but it seems to have been, unfortunately, a pattern for some time. I just think their focus as a company has shifted from stand-alone room correction to 'products' (into which category I also include the 'consumer' versions of MultEQ). Licensing MultEQ to high-volume AVR manufacturers is going to be highly profitable I suspect, compared with comparatively small numbers of Pro licensees. Just a guess on my part.  The purpose of a company is to maximise returns for its shareholders, so I can't really blame them if they have made this shift of focus, although it leaves those customers who have paid several hundred dollars feeling neglected, I admit. It's a shame because their customer service used to be impeccable. 

Chris K. still responds to posts on the FB Audyssey Tech thread. I comment there occasionally. Some of those posts might be helpful for more technical questions that Chris can choose (or not) to answer.

My guess is that you're right. Given that they have a relatively finished product with MultiEQ Audyssey, they might just be in a maintenance mode in the product lifecycle from their POV, especially since the number of Pro licenses is likely tiny (a few thousand?). You don't have the volume, or the degree of line extension/enhancements, that an Oppo might have for their BluRay players, so effectively devoting 8/5, let alone 24/7 live resources to Audyssey support is a cost center compared to putting the same time and energy into wireless speakers, licensing for mobile platforms, headphones etc.

Also, given that you've got five or more years of back history on Audyssey 101, and a small community of PITA "enthusiasts" to provide support on those forums (i.e. us), it's unfortunately a good business decision for a small company to move away from live support or working with AVR manufacturers to make niche improvements to their software (sorry, but the SubEQ multi-sub bug falls into that when you're small). Of course, I'd be happy to be wrong.

At least bsoko2 isn't dealing with offshore customer service! Even as things stand, I'd much rather have the support that Audyssey currently provides than the customer service of a certain major airline. Try setting up a business trip using miles, and find that EVERY link that is provided on their website as bookable flights can't be confirmed when you go through multiple screens. Turns out that their offshore support folks told me that I should not book int'l flights with their partners using miles on the website, only make live calls to reservations to verify which flights actually have real, vs. 'notional', seats available. True story from last week! And from what a friend told me, it's been that way for at least two years. Ugh...
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I don't have a clue either, Stuart - but it seems to have been, unfortunately, a pattern for some time. I just think their focus as a company has shifted from stand-alone room correction to 'products' (into which category I also include the 'consumer' versions of MultEQ). Licensing MultEQ to high-volume AVR manufacturers is going to be highly profitable I suspect, compared with comparatively small numbers of Pro licensees. Just a guess on my part.  The purpose of a company is to maximise returns for its shareholders, so I can't really blame them if they have made this shift of focus, although it leaves those customers who have paid several hundred dollars feeling neglected, I admit. It's a shame because their customer service used to be impeccable. 

Chris K. still responds to posts on the FB Audyssey Tech thread. I comment there occasionally. Some of those posts might be helpful for more technical questions that Chris can choose (or not) to answer.

My guess is that you're right. Given that they have a relatively finished product with MultiEQ Audyssey, they might just be in a maintenance mode in the product lifecycle from their POV, especially since the number of Pro licenses is likely tiny (a few thousand?). You don't have the volume, or the degree of line extension/enhancements, that an Oppo might have for their BluRay players, so effectively devoting 8/5, let alone 24/7 live resources to Audyssey support is a cost center compared to putting the same time and energy into wireless speakers, licensing for mobile platforms, headphones etc.

Also, given that you've got five or more years of back history on Audyssey 101, and a small community of PITA "enthusiasts" to provide support on those forums (i.e. us), it's unfortunately a good business decision for a small company to move away from live support or working with AVR manufacturers to make niche improvements to their software (sorry, but the SubEQ multi-sub bug falls into that when you're small). Of course, I'd be happy to be wrong.

At least bsoko2 isn't dealing with offshore customer service! Even as things stand, I'd much rather have the support that Audyssey currently provides than the customer service of a certain major airline. Try setting up a business trip using miles, and find that EVERY link that is provided on their website as bookable flights can't be confirmed when you go through multiple screens. Turns out that their offshore support folks told me that I should not book int'l flights with their partners using miles on the website, only make live calls to reservations to verify which flights actually have real, vs. 'notional', seats available. True story from last week! And from what a friend told me, it's been that way for at least two years. Ugh...

 

Good post, Stuart. All concurred.

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Not that I have a clue, but is it conceivable that either Luke is on vacation, or they've downsized?

Vacation maybe. Plus the email address Keith posted is an older one and not used much. I know because I used it and was given a different one to use. We don't really know where the OP asked, and I am not rushing to judgement. And I am certainly not throwing anyone under the bus without more details on their non-responsiveness, if in fact they are..

 

IIRC Jeff, he used the email address you gave him eek.gif  I’d still try that one I have though - maybe that will actually go direct to someone's inbox.... 

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Good post, Stuart. All concurred.

^^ My wife posted on FB that our dogs could be CS supervisors for that major airline. At least they have the right attitude....

Still, even if not as responsive or transparent as they used to be in the past, I'd take Audyssey's FAQ and available online resources over those of certain competing parametric EQ devices that require one to jump through hoops to 'improve' or replace what Audyssey can do. The day that you have to start looking up voltage output for your subs, think about how to strip speaker wires to make them RCA convertible, and wade through two forums and 50+ pages of posts to get a basic answer, is the day that you appreciate what you have, to a degree. And if you can tolerate more back-patting, you're a big part of that.
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