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post #841 of 4416
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

I just installed Audyssey 3.5 on my laptop to do my upgraded AVP (now XT32 Pro compliant).
When I did, the installer site said you had to install Net Framework 2.0 but when I tried I'd get a "won't run on 64 bit" error and it wouldn't install.
I installed the 3.5 anyways and calibrated the AVP. (It sounds great although I haven't had much time with it yet, plus it's in a different room than I had prior to the upgrade so it's hard to tell how much difference XT32 is making.)

Anyways, the pings seemed to be quicker, but everything else seemed dreadfully slow, the "transferring response" might have taken between 5 to 10 minutes for each position.
Plus the calculating and optimzing filters after seemed really slow as well. It's been a while since I've done a calibration but I don't recall it being anywhere near this slow.

Is this typical with XT32? Or could I be having an issue related to not being able to download Net Framework 2?

To give you a frame of reference, I timed a recent Pro calibration for my system. The results are attached. I have a 9.1 configuration (two subs), and I was using 11 measurement points. As you noted, the chirps are faster, but the data transfer is slower (more data with XT32). It took almost an hour to complete the calibration.

Edit: I forgot to mention, I have a Denon 4311 with the USB-to-Serial connection.
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post #842 of 4416
How do you get that table of results?
post #843 of 4416
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

How do you get that table of results?

I time each step with a stopwatch, enter the time into an Excel spreadsheet, and then cut and paste it into the forum posting.
post #844 of 4416
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

To give you a frame of reference, I timed a recent Pro calibration for my system. The results are attached. I have a 9.1 configuration (two subs), and I was using 11 measurement points. As you noted, the chirps are faster, but the data transfer is slower (more data with XT32). It took almost an hour to complete the calibration.

Edit: I forgot to mention, I have a Denon 4311 with the USB-to-Serial connection.

Yeah that seems about the same so I guess the Net Framework isn't the issue. It's just freaking slow.
post #845 of 4416
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

How do you get that table of results?

Ah, I thought it was an Audyssey thing; thanks
post #846 of 4416
I just got a good line on a used kit for a really sweet deal! If it pans out then sweet but if not, I don't have any problems buying new but $350 off sure would be sweet lol
post #847 of 4416
nice
post #848 of 4416
So Keith......any progress on getting your Pro Kit yet?

I'm just waiting on my W2 so I can file my taxes (electronically) and get my return before going Pro. Wondering which one of us will play guinea pig for the other? lol

I did finish all my acoustic treatments and boy what a difference they made! Excited to see what Pro will do to my room now that it's properly treated, setup, and fine tuned.
post #849 of 4416
He's waiting for the firmware release that adds Pro capability to his unit.
post #850 of 4416
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

I did finish all my acoustic treatments and boy what a difference they made! Excited to see what Pro will do to my room now that it's properly treated, setup, and fine tuned.

What exactly did you do?
post #851 of 4416
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

So Keith......any progress on getting your Pro Kit yet?

Not yet. I am waiting for Onkyo to release the required FW for the 5509/80.3. Allegedly this month.

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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

I'm just waiting on my W2 so I can file my taxes (electronically) and get my return before going Pro. Wondering which one of us will play guinea pig for the other? lol

Probably you before me I'd think. I have to wait for the FW and then order the Pro Kit and then wait for it to arrive from the USA.

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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

I did finish all my acoustic treatments and boy what a difference they made! Excited to see what Pro will do to my room now that it's properly treated, setup, and fine tuned.

I think you have made a fantastic journey in a short time - from where you were when you first asked for advice in this thread and the Audyssey thread.
post #852 of 4416
Well, I missed the kit for the $200 plus taxes but I did find a kit for $400, save myself a bit anyways. Now all I'll need is the new 80.3 firmware to come out!
post #853 of 4416
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Originally Posted by westmd View Post

What exactly did you do?

Went from a room in which there were absolutely no acoustic panels or bass traps (bare drywall) and my subwoofers were placed based on most convenient spots to a room that has heavy acoustic paneling treatment and bass traps in the front corner, along with the subwoofers being placed based on where they interacted best with the room together (using a crude but still effective method, i.e. subwoofer crawl).

The effect was that with Audyssey XT 32 in my room before any treatments/proper placement the sound was awesome but a tad on the harsh side because of uninhibited reflections. This caused a little bit of listening fatigue and a really bad echo (in the 100-300Hz region, like a loud *thwap* sound) off one of my side walls from my center speaker (even though the speaker was almost a foot from the front wall). Before all my room treatments I would rate the sound in my room 7.5/10 with just XT 32 doing all the work.
Now that I am finished getting the room treated and setup properly I would rate the sound as 9.25/10. The overall sound is warm which has zero effects of listening fatigue, bass is tight and punchy without lingering or booming, and absolutely no hints of reverb off the side/back walls (no more *thwap* sound from the center speaker).

Should have listened from everyone from the start because it's true: the best money you could invest in your room is proper treatment and setup. It does wonders! Hence why I am very excited to add Pro now that my room is accounted for one hundred and ten percent.
post #854 of 4416
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I think you have made a fantastic journey in a short time - from where you were when you first asked for advice in this thread and the Audyssey thread.

Thanks Keith. It's definitely borderline embarrassment when I look at how I used to have my room setup but it's all good now. Would never go back to just "winging" it and putting all the responsibility on Audyssey if I were to ever move into a different room/location in the future. It's just a truly awesome sound now. I find myself skipping movies I haven't even seen in my collection just to watch old ones that I know have a good soundtrack because it's almost like watching them again for the first time now. It has really made watching movies an awesome experience and justifies all I went through learning/trial and error/money/time to get here.

Can't wait to see what Pro will do to put the "icing" on the cake
post #855 of 4416
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Well, I missed the kit for the $200 plus taxes but I did find a kit for $400, save myself a bit anyways. Now all I'll need is the new 80.3 firmware to come out!

Where are you finding it for $400?
post #856 of 4416
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Originally Posted by pstrisik View Post

Where are you finding it for $400?

Pretty sure he was talking about obtaining a second hand used kit from someone, and not a new one from a Audyssey retail seller.
post #857 of 4416
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Went from a room in which there were absolutely no acoustic panels or bass traps (bare drywall) and my subwoofers were placed based on most convenient spots to a room that has heavy acoustic paneling treatment and bass traps in the front corner, along with the subwoofers being placed based on where they interacted best with the room together (using a crude but still effective method, i.e. subwoofer crawl).

The effect was that with Audyssey XT 32 in my room before any treatments/proper placement the sound was awesome but a tad on the harsh side because of uninhibited reflections. This caused a little bit of listening fatigue and a really bad echo (in the 100-300Hz region, like a loud *thwap* sound) off one of my side walls from my center speaker (even though the speaker was almost a foot from the front wall). Before all my room treatments I would rate the sound in my room 7.5/10 with just XT 32 doing all the work.
Now that I am finished getting the room treated and setup properly I would rate the sound as 9.25/10. The overall sound is warm which has zero effects of listening fatigue, bass is tight and punchy without lingering or booming, and absolutely no hints of reverb off the side/back walls (no more *thwap* sound from the center speaker).

Should have listened from everyone from the start because it's true: the best money you could invest in your room is proper treatment and setup. It does wonders! Hence why I am very excited to add Pro now that my room is accounted for one hundred and ten percent.

Which receiver / processor are you using?
post #858 of 4416
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Originally Posted by westmd View Post


Which receiver / processor are you using?

Integra DTR-70.3
post #859 of 4416
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Thanks Keith. It's definitely borderline embarrassment when I look at how I used to have my room setup but it's all good now. Would never go back to just "winging" it and putting all the responsibility on Audyssey if I were to ever move into a different room/location in the future. It's just a truly awesome sound now. I find myself skipping movies I haven't even seen in my collection just to watch old ones that I know have a good soundtrack because it's almost like watching them again for the first time now. It has really made watching movies an awesome experience and justifies all I went through learning/trial and error/money/time to get here.

Can't wait to see what Pro will do to put the "icing" on the cake

The really important thing, in the case of your experience, is that you listened to all the advice you were given, asked all the questions you could, studied the subject and then went and implemented the advice. So many people just refuse to listen to the advice they have asked for. I am so happy for you that you are so happy!
post #860 of 4416
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Originally Posted by pstrisik View Post

Where are you finding it for $400?

Ya it's a used kit. I got my quote for $700 with taxes from my dealer
so $400 plus the license is looking pretty good! lol
I was 15 mins to late for the $200 local kit. Damn traffic!!!
post #861 of 4416
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Ya it's a used kit. I got my quote for $700 with taxes from my dealer
so $400 plus the license is looking pretty good! lol
I was 15 mins to late for the $200 local kit. Damn traffic!!!

Ahh, of course! I've not had any luck finding a used kit anywhere (not too likely where I live).
post #862 of 4416
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Ya it's a used kit. I got my quote for $700 with taxes from my dealer
so $400 plus the license is looking pretty good! lol
I was 15 mins to late for the $200 local kit. Damn traffic!!!

nice find, but a tad too late. Cant believe he didnt hold it for you.
post #863 of 4416
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

nice find, but a tad too late. Cant believe he didnt hold it for you.

Ya it was a guy who was just selling all his stuff. He didn't really have anything of interest other than the pro kit. I didn't think I would need him to hold it for me, we exchanged emails, agreed that I would come down and check it out in the morning. The other guy who bought it was just leaving when I got there along with a bunch of other stuff. Maybe the guy just threw it in with the deal I dunno. After I seen that the other guy had it, I just left.
Sent the guy an email telling him thanks for wasting my time and I hoped someone one day, does the exact same thing to him lol

Then I found the other kit on Red Flag Deals in the for sale section! sweet!
post #864 of 4416
Hi,

I currently have DHC-80.3 which is not installer ready yet. Audyssey XT32 does a good job but frequency response is no where ruler flat. I wonder if it's worth getting the pro kit ?
post #865 of 4416
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

Hi,

I currently have DHC-80.3 which is not installer ready yet. Audyssey XT32 does a good job but frequency response is no where ruler flat. I wonder if it's worth getting the pro kit ?

What are you using to determine that the FR is not flat? Can you post your graphs and methods?
post #866 of 4416
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

Hi,
I currently have DHC-80.3 which is not installer ready yet. Audyssey XT32 does a good job but frequency response is no where ruler flat. I wonder if it's worth getting the pro kit ?

Hi. Welcome. I see from glancing over your "find more posts by" that you are trying to optimize your HT, just got some new subs, have REW, etc. Great!
Keith (kbarnes701) asks for some graphs and that would be very helpful, along with some more detail about what part of the curve you want flatter. If this is irt LF, describe how you did your sub placement. A pic of the room showing speakers and subs and a gear list would be useful, too.

As to your question, I think of Pro as bringing accuracy and refinement to XT32. Many folks who have invested in the sort of equipment you have and are putting in the time you are seem to appreciate what Pro brings to the equation and I've seen no reports of dissatisfied customers. So to be clear, Pro uses XT32's power more effectively by use of a better mic, more computing power and customization of filters to the xover, ranking xovers for best splice with the sats and allowing custom curves. But it is not a multipliplier of EQ power. If you have room problems that XT32 can't reduce to your satisfaction, those may well have to be addressed by speaker/sub/MLP placement and room treatments to give XT32 (and Pro) .
post #867 of 4416
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

My money is on "ears."

I wondered. But SoM has dug deeper and discovered REW is in the frame. The graphs will be helpful to see where the OP might go next. And, as I am in the learning curve for measuring, any experience from others is currently being avidly consumed by me.
post #868 of 4416
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I wondered. But SoM has dug deeper and discovered REW is in the frame. The graphs will be helpful to see where the OP might go next. And, as I am in the learning curve for measuring, any experience from others is currently being avidly consumed by me.

Yes, that was probably a premature assessment on my part. I hope he posts his measurements, his interpretation of the measurements and then his expectation on why it should measure ruler flat.

Jeff
post #869 of 4416
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Yes, that was probably a premature assessment on my part. I hope he posts his measurements, his interpretation of the measurements and then his expectation on why it should measure ruler flat.

Jeff

Yes, me too. Then we can sit back while markus explains it all

EDIT: wrong thread - m isn't in this one is he? Yet
post #870 of 4416
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Hi. Welcome. I see from glancing over your "find more posts by" that you are trying to optimize your HT, just got some new subs, have REW, etc. Great!
Keith (kbarnes701) asks for some graphs and that would be very helpful, along with some more detail about what part of the curve you want flatter. If this is irt LF, describe how you did your sub placement. A pic of the room showing speakers and subs and a gear list would be useful, too.

As to your question, I think of Pro as bringing accuracy and refinement to XT32. Many folks who have invested in the sort of equipment you have and are putting in the time you are seem to appreciate what Pro brings to the equation and I've seen no reports of dissatisfied customers. So to be clear, Pro uses XT32's power more effectively by use of a better mic, more computing power and customization of filters to the xover, ranking xovers for best splice with the sats and allowing custom curves. But it is not a multipliplier of EQ power. If you have room problems that XT32 can't reduce to your satisfaction, those may well have to be addressed by speaker/sub/MLP placement and room treatments to give XT32 (and Pro) .

OK, So I have attached my frequency response using REW. I have also attached pics of my layout.

My layout I have as follows:
Mains: CM8's
Center: CM Center
Surrounds: CM1's
Subs: 2 JL F112's (These are placed diagonally as shown in pics)
Behind sofa: 3 4" bass trap panels
Front right (corner) : GIK Pillar bass trap

Ideally, I would like the frequency response over 60Hz to be flatter but don't know if this is possible...

I have very limited space where I can place subs... in the end, I placed subs where it was most convenient...

Note: My BW speakers are ported... I've been told to seal the ports and re-try to dial in phase. Never really used foam plugs... and I can't find them... so I re-ordered them to see if it makes any difference. Also, when dialing in the phase knob... In the end, I found if I dialed the highest SPL at 80Hz cross over in main listening position I got the best frequency response.
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