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Another Pro con is the excessive smoothing that may be hiding significant response irregularities.
post #902 of 5257
Hi,

Just purchased a Denon 4311 and am contemplating buying a pro kit. Was wondering if anyone has ever discussed/considered renting these kits, or perhaps a group getting together to purchase one and share?

Mike
post #903 of 5257
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Originally Posted by elinter View Post

Hi,

Just purchased a Denon 4311 and am contemplating buying a pro kit. Was wondering if anyone has ever discussed/considered renting these kits, or perhaps a group getting together to purchase one and share?

Mike

If you lived next door, that might work. However, if you were to share with Markus, that might be cumbersome.
post #904 of 5257
Mike, try to find a home theater enthusiast group in your area. There used to be a thread here for that. With you being close to DC, I'd think it likely that there are such groups and also likely that someone has a kit.

Jeff
post #905 of 5257
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

If you lived next door, that might work. However, if you were to share with Markus, that might be cumbersome.

And he'd still have to buy a Licence of course.
post #906 of 5257
I am in the process of joining the "Pro" group. The kit is on order. AVR is a Denon AVR-A100 which I bought almost a year ago.

Room is 12x20x8 and is well treated with GIK Monster bass traps and side wall reflection absorption via ATS panels.

Speakers are 4 Klipschorns, one in each corner, a Belle Klipsch center, two pairs of Klipsch Heresys (one pair for side surround, one pair for wides for DSX), a pair of Kipsch RB-81s for heights, 4 Hsu ULS-15 subs, and an old Velodyne FSR-18 sub. With all that in the room there is still room for three recliners and an equipment rack.

Anyway, the sound with XT32 is very nice indeed, but since I bought the A100 the nagging question was "what if I had the Pro kit?" Anyway, I will chime in with my impressions in a few days.

With all the room treatments, I may not notice as much improvement as other folks. REW waterfall and sub FR plots look nice already. But my main goal is the ability to use custom curves via the Pro kit plus any other benefits that the customization allows.

I am sure I will have questions along the way and thank you in advance for your help.
post #907 of 5257
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Originally Posted by hjones View Post

I am in the process of joining the "Pro" group. The kit is on order. AVR is a Denon AVR-A100 which I bought almost a year ago.

Room is 12x20x8 and is well treated with GIK Monster bass traps and side wall reflection absorption via ATS panels.

Speakers are 4 Klipschorns, one in each corner, a Belle Klipsch center, two pairs of Klipsch Heresys (one pair for side surround, one pair for wides for DSX), a pair of Kipsch RB-81s for heights, 4 Hsu ULS-15 subs, and an old Velodyne FSR-18 sub. With all that in the room there is still room for three recliners and an equipment rack.

Anyway, the sound with XT32 is very nice indeed, but since I bought the A100 the nagging question was "what if I had the Pro kit?" Anyway, I will chime in with my impressions in a few days.

With all the room treatments, I may not notice as much improvement as other folks. REW waterfall and sub FR plots look nice already. But my main goal is the ability to use custom curves via the Pro kit plus any other benefits that the customization allows.

I am sure I will have questions along the way and thank you in advance for your help.

As someone who is soon going to buy a Pro Kit (as soon as the Onkyo 5509 is enabled for it via new Firmware) I will be very interested to read of your findings and the differences the Kit makes in your room. I too am very happy with XT32 but also share your nagging doubt "what if I had the Pro Kit?".

As soon as the nagging doubt creeps in, it's just a matter of time before the credit card creeps out
post #908 of 5257
Hjones, our systems are quite similar. My room is 16x20x10, has a lot of ATS panels, and RealTraps bass traps. While I only have 3 ULS-15's, it's only a matter of time before I commit to a fourth. And I have a Denon 4311. My project over the last several weeks has been to upgrade from a 7.1 system to an 11.1 system, which should be finished within the next several days.

I purchased the Pro kit two years ago, and have never regretted it. Being able to measure more than 8 positions, being able to choose optimized crossovers, saving and re-loading measurements, etc. have been a very important part of fine-tuning my system. My old Denon 4308, which now anchors the system in my bedroom, is also Pro-ready, so I have a license for it as well.

Please share your experiences when you get the kit. And the participants in this thread will be ready to assist you in getting up to speed as quickly as possible. At some time, I would enjoy hearing your approach to calibrating 5 subs using XT32!
post #909 of 5257
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Please share your experiences when you get the kit. And the participants in this thread will be ready to assist you in getting up to speed as quickly as possible. At some time, I would enjoy hearing your approach to calibrating 5 subs using XT32!

Will do. As far as the sub calibration, the ULS Quad is set up on the front 12 foot (screen wall), spaced about 30 or so inches apart. Two are in front of the main K'horns, the other two are immediately to the sides of the Belle center. I read that putting them 1/4 to 1/2 wavelenght apart allows coupling, so each pair is coupled to each other. The Velodyne is in the left rear corner. One of the Denon's sub outputs feeds the Hsus, the other feeds the Velo.

With my older Denon 5805 and its first generation Audyssey, I never could get the Velo to "play nice" with the Hsus no matter where I put it. Big suckout in the 30-40 Hz range. With XT32 that disappeared - huge improvement, I assume due to the separate time alignment with the dual sub outs. Will be nice to see what improvements the Pro kit will make. Hope there are some noticable ones, what with spending the $s on it.

By the way, for REW I used a Soundblaster X-Fi PCI express card in my laptop. I presume that is sufficient for the Pro kit, right?
post #910 of 5257
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Originally Posted by hjones View Post


By the way, for REW I used a Soundblaster X-Fi PCI express card in my laptop. I presume that is sufficient for the Pro kit, right?

All you need is the laptop and a USB port. The Pro Kit does not require a sound card.
post #911 of 5257
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All you need is the laptop and a USB port. The Pro Kit does not require a sound card.

Depends on the unit to be calibrated. Might be a network connection.

Jeff
post #912 of 5257
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

All you need is the laptop and a USB port. The Pro Kit does not require a sound card.

OK, good to know. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Depends on the unit to be calibrated. Might be a network connection.

Jeff

our 5508s use ethernet to connect?
post #914 of 5257
5508 uses network connection to calibrate with Audyssey Pro. 80.2 as well. Don't know about 5507/80.1.
post #915 of 5257
Im assuming the consumer supplies the cat 5/6 cable from the unit to the pre pro
post #916 of 5257
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Im assuming the consumer supplies the cat 5/6 cable from the unit to the pre pro

Yes. And laptop to ethernet switch, too. Wifi is not recommended.
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ok. laptop which runs the audyssey software? to audyssey pro unit? to pre pro?

sorry.
post #918 of 5257
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

ok. laptop which runs the audyssey software? to audyssey pro unit? to pre pro?

sorry.

Software runs on networked laptop. Target receiver/processor is networked.
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post #920 of 5257
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Originally Posted by elinter View Post

Just purchased a Denon 4311 and am contemplating buying a pro kit. Was wondering if anyone has ever discussed/considered renting these kits, or perhaps a group getting together to purchase one and share?

If you lived next door, that might work. However, if you were to share with Markus, that might be cumbersome.

I've thought about this too. I don't think you necessarily have to be next door for this to be feasible, it's not like you need to calibrate that often. This could work with just shipping the hardware as needed. I'd be in if there were several others interested.
post #921 of 5257
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Originally Posted by Darin View Post

I've thought about this too. I don't think you necessarily have to be next door for this to be feasible, it's not like you need to calibrate that often. This could work with just shipping the hardware as needed. I'd be in if there were several others interested.

I've often though this could be a good idea, shouldn't matter to Audyssey since they would likely sell more licenses.

Maybe SoundofMind can edit one of his originating posts to include members willing to share their kits, and where they're located. Participants can then link up via PM?

I'd be willing to be a "sharer".
post #922 of 5257
Just one more thing to throw out here ... licenses would need to be purchased by the kit owner, i.e. the person to which it is registered. And that person would need to administer the licenses and the keys. The keys could be assigned to units anywhere, but the administrator would need to refresh the keys every 30 days and email them to the person who is using the kit at the time.

Jeff
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

shouldn't matter to Audyssey since they would likely sell more licenses.

Exactly. I wouldn't pay $700 for the (likely marginal) increase over what "standard" Audyssey can do. I also wouldn't pay someone to come out and do what I'd prefer to do myself. But $150 + a split of kit is a little easier to swallow. I know there are some who can drop $700 for it, but there are probably more of us who can't justify it unless it's a lot less. I would expect that those who are already OK with paying $700 would probably the same people who wouldn't consider saving a few bills worth the hassle of sharing, so I wouldn't expect sharing would erode any existing business.

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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

licenses would need to be purchased by the kit owner ... but the administrator would need to refresh the keys every 30 days and email them to the person who is using the kit at the time.

I wouldn't expect the first part to be an issue. I'm kind of surprised about the second part. Why do they have to be refreshed? Sounds like of tedious for the pro calibrators. What happens if your pay someone to do this for you, then they go out of business? But regardless, still doesn't seem like a showstopper.
post #924 of 5257
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Originally Posted by Darin View Post



I wouldn't expect the first part to be an issue. I'm kind of surprised about the second part. Why do they have to be refreshed? Sounds like of tedious for the pro calibrators. What happens if your pay someone to do this for you, then they go out of business? But regardless, still doesn't seem like a showstopper.

I'm just the messenger. Pro calibrators are likely calibrating and then not going back for a while. Tedious is as I use it ... to load alternate calibrations for the two sets of surrounds that I have. Dipoles at 90° for cinema and concerts and monopoles at ITU 120° for SACD/DVD-A MCH music.

Your other questions are best addressed to Audyssey. Tedious or not, I wouldn't be without a kit.

Jeff
post #925 of 5257
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I'm just the messenger.

I know, I'm just trying to understand how it all works, as I've never really looked in to it before. I came to the thread to see if there were any "rental" solutions, and discovered others are thinking the same. So based on your last comment, do I understand correctly that the keys only really need to be updated to make modifications, as opposed to every 30 days just to keep it "activated"? If so, that doesn't sound like a big deal. Seems like that could be part of the process someone goes through when they decide they need it and do what's needed to get it shipped to them. Seems like people could even set up an email account the whole group has access to, so an individual could request the key update when they need the kit. But again, I'm not familiar with their processes, I'm just thinking out loud.
post #926 of 5257
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Originally Posted by Darin View Post

I know, I'm just trying to understand how it all works, as I've never really looked in to it before. I came to the thread to see if there were any "rental" solutions, and discovered others are thinking the same. So based on your last comment, do I understand correctly that the keys only really need to be updated to make modifications, as opposed to every 30 days just to keep it "activated"? If so, that doesn't sound like a big deal. Seems like that could be part of the process someone goes through when they decide they need it and do what's needed to get it shipped to them. Seems like people could even set up an email account the whole group has access to, so an individual could request the key update when they need the kit. But again, I'm not familiar with their processes, I'm just thinking out loud.

Hey, no thinking allowed.

Keys are good for 30 days. If you only calibrate (or load calibrations) every six months, then you'd only need to refresh every six months. It's done on the Audyssey Installer website ... log in, navigate to the license maintenance page, click refresh and copy the key. I keep a text file on my laptop desktop with the most recent key and the expiration date. From that I copy-and-paste into the Pro software when I want to load calibrations.

Jeff
post #927 of 5257
I ran a fresh calibration yesterday after installing DSX Heights and Wides. Now that I have the maximum number of speakers (at least for now...), I timed the calibration in order to provide my fellow forum members an idea of how long it takes to run a Pro Calibration. In my case, with 14 measurement positions, it now takes slightly longer than 1.5 hours. The results are in the attachment.

Couple of notes:

- The times don't include the set-up and tear-down time for the cables, microphone, etc., which can add about 10 minutes to the beginning and end of the calibration, after you get good at it.

- The times reflect a Denon USB-to-Serial connection. AVR's that use a network connection might have different times for the data transfers.

- I used 14 measurement points. If you use more or less, you can adjust the numbers.

- The first measurement takes slightly longer because of the two-sub measurements, and the fact that some positions require a couple of sets of chirps as Audyssey adjusts the volume.
LL
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I just got my kit in the mail, If there is anyone in Winnipeg that wants to give it a try, I'm happy to let them use it for their system.
post #929 of 5257
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I just got my kit in the mail, If there is anyone in Winnipeg that wants to give it a try, I'm happy to let them use it for their system.

That's very generous of you.

Anyone taking you up on your offer though should know that they would still have to buy a $150 license from Audyssey for whatever pro ready receiver or pre-pro they have.
post #930 of 5257
I just had another thought here that I don't know the answer to ... MultEQ Pro will need to be be passed around with the kit and be installed on every user's laptop. I don't recall if there is a registration process and/or any restrictions by Audyssey that would prevent that ....

Jeff
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