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post #61 of 449
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Originally Posted by russr View Post

I'm finding it difficult to decide between this and the HD HomeRun Prime. I like the idea of not being tethered to the device through USB and instead watching TV through my wireless N network, but it's hard to know how well that will work.

If all you have is WiFi N then the choice has been made for you. The HD HomeRun Prime's minimum requirement is 100 Mbit Ethernet.
post #62 of 449
I emailed Hauppauge regarding my pre-order and they told me that my order has been delayed until the week of August 22nd
post #63 of 449
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

If all you have is WiFi N then the choice has been made for you. The HD HomeRun Prime's minimum requirement is 100 Mbit Ethernet.

Yes I know that they say that, but on their Facebook page they said that an HD channel uses at most 19mbps. They said that because cable providers compress signals, it is usually less...around 15mbps. Obviously a wireless N network can do either of those no problem. Maybe if you do three streams at once, it might be too much, but I don't know.
post #64 of 449
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Originally Posted by russr View Post

Obviously a wireless N network can do either of those no problem. Maybe if you do three streams at once, it might be too much, but I don't know.

No, you can't count on N to sustain that rate without dropouts. You should also assume that you'll be pulling in a minimum of two streams since you will more than likely be watching one show live will recording another, or two recording at once.
post #65 of 449
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

No, you can't count on N to sustain that rate without dropouts. You should also assume that you'll be pulling in a minimum of two streams since you will more than likely be watching one show live will recording another, or two recording at once.

I guess I'll have to do some throughput tests between by wireless N laptop and my wired desktop.
post #66 of 449
Dear Hauppauge Customer,

Thank you for your order for the WinTV-DCR-2650. We are experiencing a delay in manufacturing due to an issue with the plastic casing, which has set back the delivery time to you by a few weeks. We are currently expecting to ship you your order by the week of August 22nd.

Again. We are very sorry for this delay and we appreciate your patience.
________________________________________

*sigh
post #67 of 449
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Originally Posted by monkeymania View Post

Dear Hauppauge Customer,

Thank you for your order for the WinTV-DCR-2650. We are experiencing a delay in manufacturing due to an issue with the plastic casing, which has set back the delivery time to you by a few weeks. We are currently expecting to ship you your order by the week of August 22nd.

Again. We are very sorry for this delay and we appreciate your patience.
________________________________________

*sigh.

Exact same message word for word that I got... doh!
post #68 of 449
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

No, you can't count on N to sustain that rate without dropouts. You should also assume that you'll be pulling in a minimum of two streams since you will more than likely be watching one show live will recording another, or two recording at once.

Why can't you? I have streamed HD quality video from my laptop to my htpc. Highest Bit Rate? No, but still HD and still excellent video quality. I don't remember the bit rate but its usually H.246 anyway or Xvid hardly demanding on a network, even Wireless G.

I think the HomeRunHD Prime would be fine over Wireless N as long as it was better than a 150Mbps network and the router has been released in the last 2 years. Seems faster ones come out every 6-8 months...

Linksys E1200 easily does 50Mbps Up and Down link, that's plenty for this.

I am actually tired of hearing from people that live in brick wall homes, concrete floors, live in a crowded Brownstone on the Eastern Seaboard, etc. In other words areas hostile to WiFi. I don't live in such a home, I live in Earthquake country, stick built, wood frame, warm weather means no insulation in the walls. WiFI passes right through, full power all but to the most rear section of the house. The router itself is at the front of the house, I can pick it up very good outside the house, in fact in my car my G1 picks up the Wifi.

Where I'm sitting now, get full signal strength to my HTPC, this laptop I'm typing on and the TMO G1.

I am going with Wireless N, I am not going to crawl around in the attic to run Cat5/Cat6 cable, when whatever I do does not require anything near Gigabit LAN.

Sorry but most of us are NOT streaming RAW Blu Ray across a network, you are in the minority if you do. Most people have a Blu ray Player or PS3.

Rant Over...
post #69 of 449
It's not the speed that's the issues, it's the connection persistence. 802.11x is subject to microdrops, resulting in retransmits, thus creating the illusion of bandwidth bottleneck and culminating in jerky playback. While the end-all resolution is "run a cable" you might be lucky enough to get away with wireless. Just do not skimp on equipment and do not expect live HDTV to work over 802.11g. I happen to be running one of my client PCs over 802.11n using DVBLogic's server network pack and 2 HD-PVRs and it works pretty well. However, it was horrible until I replaced the stock antennas on my router with 3 high gain antennas.
Good luck with everything!


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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post


Why can't you? I have streamed HD quality video from my laptop to my htpc. Highest Bit Rate? No, but still HD and still excellent video quality. I don't remember the bit rate but its usually H.246 anyway or Xvid hardly demanding on a network, even Wireless G.

I think the HomeRunHD Prime would be fine over Wireless N as long as it was better than a 150Mbps network and the router has been released in the last 2 years. Seems faster ones come out every 6-8 months...

Linksys E1200 easily does 50Mbps Up and Down link, that's plenty for this.

I am actually tired of hearing from people that live in brick wall homes, concrete floors, live in a crowded Brownstone on the Eastern Seaboard, etc. In other words areas hostile to WiFi. I don't live in such a home, I live in Earthquake country, stick built, wood frame, warm weather means no insulation in the walls. WiFI passes right through, full power all but to the most rear section of the house. The router itself is at the front of the house, I can pick it up very good outside the house, in fact in my car my G1 picks up the Wifi.

Where I'm sitting now, get full signal strength to my HTPC, this laptop I'm typing on and the TMO G1.

I am going with Wireless N, I am not going to crawl around in the attic to run Cat5/Cat6 cable, when whatever I do does not require anything near Gigabit LAN.

Sorry but most of us are NOT streaming RAW Blu Ray across a network, you are in the minority if you do. Most people have a Blu ray Player or PS3.

Rant Over...
post #70 of 449
Right, I wasn't talking about rated speeds. With two or three shows being viewed/recorded and someone starts the microwave or you get a call on a cordless phone or maybe your neighbor turns on a baby monitor, not to mention hundreds of other factors that can interrupt a WiFi signal ... That's why wireless isn't listed as a minimum requirement for the HD Homerun.

Anyway, this thread is about the Hauppauge so I'll leave it at that.
post #71 of 449
Thanks for the info guys. I can't wait till these units start shipping so we can see some reviews.
post #72 of 449
Woo hoo! Got an email yesterday saying the unit will be shipping soon. Today the tracking says on a truck, will be delivered by EOD.

I'll try and set it up tonight. Will let you know how it goes!
post #73 of 449
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Originally Posted by monkeymania View Post

Woo hoo! Got an email yesterday saying the unit will be shipping soon. Today the tracking says on a truck, will be delivered by EOD.

I'll try and set it up tonight. Will let you know how it goes!

Cool and a bit weird because the HDHomeRun Prime 3CC units aren't shipping yet. In fact, the 3CC units were just shipped from China to SiliconDust today. I guess these units are a bit different.
post #74 of 449
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Originally Posted by monkeymania View Post

Woo hoo! Got an email yesterday saying the unit will be shipping soon. Today the tracking says on a truck, will be delivered by EOD.

I'll try and set it up tonight. Will let you know how it goes!

Lucky you! I still haven't received a shipping notice yet.
post #75 of 449
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

Sorry but most of us are NOT streaming RAW Blu Ray across a network, you are in the minority if you do. Most people have a Blu ray Player or PS3.

Rant Over...

In this forum this is probably not true. I think many here are streaming full res bluray rips from their home servers.
post #76 of 449
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Originally Posted by Babbitt 1080P View Post

In this forum this is probably not true. I think many here are streaming full res bluray rips from their home servers.

I do. My PS3 is a dust collector and I don't have a stand-alone Blu-ray player.
post #77 of 449
I did some tests on my wireless network which uses the DIR-655 router from D-Link and just the built-in wireless N card in my laptop. I got around 40-70mbps which is more than enough for a couple of HD channels at a time. If most HD channels are around 15mbps, then one could watch even 3 channels at a time over wireless N, though it may push it. I think two would be more than fine though with good signal.

Ultimately though, the DCR-2650 is a USB 2.0 device so it's kinda moot.
post #78 of 449
Any word on an internal version of these? I'd love to replace my HVR-1250 with one.
post #79 of 449
I have some real world experience to relate on this. Everyone's home is different. M experience is also different as it it Ceton Based. With a couple of very good antenna I had reasonable perfrormance wireless with HD cable.

I was using a D-Link DIR-825.. in range which was most of on a one-story 1800 sq ft ranch it worked fine. There were dead zones. I was encouraged by this so I bought a Netgear 4000 which is a 450mbs router. Bad move the Netgear will not handle the Ceton streams smoothly enough to not get stutter and breakup in Windows. Either router plays ATSC off HD Homeuruns without breaking a sweat.

So can it be done yes.. but it is vodoo. My recipe would be to have very high quality nics, powerful external antennas possibly with amplifiers. I was using only one Notebook for testing and it has the intel 6250 in it which is a top of the line 300mbs nic. When the 450mbs wireless nics become readily available my Netgear 4000 might manage it with its internal only antennas.

I am confident given enough antenna and amp the D-link 825 would manage at least one stream through out the house and out on the patio as I have seen it work on the patio for hours and then not work at all out there. Multiple streams simultaneously I have to see that one with my own eyes.

I don't know why but I am guessing the DRM attached makes the HD Cable streams much more timing critical.
post #80 of 449
Unboxing & Initial Impressions


Hi all,

I figured I'd give a quick write-up of the unboxing and installation. Unboxing was rather straightforward (see attached pics). I was pleasantly surprised to see the device is pretty small.


Installation

The instructions look like they were photocopied, not very thorough. They say to run the Digital Cable Advisor in WMC, then plug in the 2650 and Windows will discover and install drivers. After 3 attempts, including rebooting both devices, Windows never installed the driver. After tinkering for a few minutes, I tried the device settings screen in control panel, and buried in the menu's selected "have windows search for a new driver." It found it! Dunno why it didn't work in the first place, especially after repeated attempts. Oh well. Once it did that, got all green lights on the 2650 and were up and running. (Curiously Hauppauge included a CD with the driver. I'm wondering if Windows found a driver here to use since it was in the drive when I was running through that process. Also -- on the CD is a copy of the HDHRP beta driver. Thought that was funny.)

After going through the WMC TV setup, things looked good. It found all my channels which I was concerned about from reading the HDHRP threads. Lag time is workable - it's not as quick as I had hoped, but I wouldn't call it slow. I immediately started recording two shows just to test it out - works great! (though I must say, I sort of wish I had more tuners )

All in all a pretty easy setup. From beginning to end, it took maybe 20 minutes. Most of that was due to the driver issue which had I begun by inserting the disc, probably would have been much shorter.

I must say -- having FiOS is superb. Coming from a TiVo, I already had a cablecard on my account. So last night while setting up the 2650, all I had to do was hot swap the cablecard and it worked. No device pairing. No customer service torture.
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post #81 of 449
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Originally Posted by monkeymania View Post

Unboxing & Initial Impressions


Hi all,

I figured I'd give a quick write-up of the unboxing and installation. Unboxing was rather straightforward (see attached pics). I was pleasantly surprised to see the device is pretty small.


Installation

The instructions look like they were photocopied, not very thorough. They say to run the Digital Cable Advisor in WMC, then plug in the 2650 and Windows will discover and install drivers. After 3 attempts, including rebooting both devices, Windows never installed the driver. After tinkering for a few minutes, I tried the device settings screen in control panel, and buried in the menu's selected "have windows search for a new driver." It found it! Dunno why it didn't work in the first place, especially after repeated attempts. Oh well. Once it did that, got all green lights on the 2650 and were up and running. (Curiously Hauppauge included a CD with the driver. I'm wondering if Windows found a driver here to use since it was in the drive when I was running through that process. Also -- on the CD is a copy of the HDHRP beta driver. Thought that was funny.)

After going through the WMC TV setup, things looked good. It found all my channels which I was concerned about from reading the HDHRP threads. Lag time is workable - it's not as quick as I had hoped, but I wouldn't call it slow. I immediately started recording two shows just to test it out - works great! (though I must say, I sort of wish I had more tuners )

All in all a pretty easy setup. From beginning to end, it took maybe 20 minutes. Most of that was due to the driver issue which had I begun by inserting the disc, probably would have been much shorter.

I must say -- having FiOS is superb. Coming from a TiVo, I already had a cablecard on my account. So last night while setting up the 2650, all I had to do was hot swap the cablecard and it worked. No device pairing. No customer service torture.

Is there any kind of diagnostic software like the Ceton?
post #82 of 449
I don't believe so. There seemed to be some pretty decent diagnostic tools in WMC, but I didn't play around too much in there since I didn't have to.
post #83 of 449
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Originally Posted by monkeymania View Post

I don't believe so. There seemed to be some pretty decent diagnostic tools in WMC, but I didn't play around too much in there since I didn't have to.

The HD HomeRun Prime comes with diagnostic tools and a diagnostic webpage for the device. I'm assuming that this device should have the same since it is essentially the same thing.
post #84 of 449
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Originally Posted by russr View Post

The HD HomeRun Prime comes with diagnostic tools and a diagnostic webpage for the device. I'm assuming that this device should have the same since it is essentially the same thing.

yeah the cetons is excellent, i would think there would have to be some kind of tool..i ordered 2 of these
post #85 of 449
Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeymania View Post

Unboxing & Initial Impressions

Hi all,

I figured I'd give a quick write-up of the unboxing and installation. Unboxing was rather straightforward (see attached pics). I was pleasantly surprised to see the device is pretty small.

Installation

The instructions look like they were photocopied, not very thorough. They say to run the Digital Cable Advisor in WMC, then plug in the 2650 and Windows will discover and install drivers. After 3 attempts, including rebooting both devices, Windows never installed the driver. After tinkering for a few minutes, I tried the device settings screen in control panel, and buried in the menu's selected "have windows search for a new driver." It found it! Dunno why it didn't work in the first place, especially after repeated attempts. Oh well. Once it did that, got all green lights on the 2650 and were up and running. (Curiously Hauppauge included a CD with the driver. I'm wondering if Windows found a driver here to use since it was in the drive when I was running through that process. Also -- on the CD is a copy of the HDHRP beta driver. Thought that was funny.)

After going through the WMC TV setup, things looked good. It found all my channels which I was concerned about from reading the HDHRP threads. Lag time is workable - it's not as quick as I had hoped, but I wouldn't call it slow. I immediately started recording two shows just to test it out - works great! (though I must say, I sort of wish I had more tuners )

All in all a pretty easy setup. From beginning to end, it took maybe 20 minutes. Most of that was due to the driver issue which had I begun by inserting the disc, probably would have been much shorter.

I must say -- having FiOS is superb. Coming from a TiVo, I already had a cablecard on my account. So last night while setting up the 2650, all I had to do was hot swap the cablecard and it worked. No device pairing. No customer service torture.

Thanks for the write up and pics! Can't wait to get mine!
post #86 of 449
Anyone else received their dcr-2650's our received shipping notices from hauppauge?
post #87 of 449
I haven't heard about mine shipping yet, ordered from Amazon. I keep hoping to hear something seeing today is the start to the week of August 22nd. Hopefully it'll ship soon though.
post #88 of 449
This is truly brilliant! I also love how it's an external box (at least, for my setup). I already have a 2250 and would like to keep it so I can get 4 tuners on at least the basic cable channels.
post #89 of 449
With devices like this (and the HDHRP and Ceton external),

what are the chances of turning nettops into full fledged Media Centers? Besides being slow, do you think they could handle 1 or 2 tuner streams?
post #90 of 449
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Originally Posted by monkeymania View Post

With devices like this (and the HDHRP and Ceton external),

what are the chances of turning nettops into full fledged Media Centers? Besides being slow, do you think they could handle 1 or 2 tuner streams?

I would think it really depends on the nettop. It seems some of the newer AMD based ones are better suited for the task.
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