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post #1021 of 1211
12/10/12 at 10:54pm
Homeland is one of the very few shows that doesn't give anything away in their previews...literally they show mostly boring scenes...I'm glad they do it this way as most shows might show a bit too much...the stuff that Homeland does show is also designed to make you think 1 thing but it's usually not what it appears to be
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post #1022 of 1211
12/11/12 at 3:26am
I'm going to be very disappointed if Kiefer Sutherland is not in the finale or Carries doesn't show her Super Agent tights. smile.gif

I see that others noticed that the FBI (or whoever) is cutting corners in it's budget to help the economy by not providing night vision goggles for its men, cutting back on training, and keeping PETA off its back by not using dogs. Also, Carrie must wear some special secret perfume that makes terrorists not do things they normally would do - Nazir should have easily killed her like the ops guy.

The captioned pics are a hoot! smile.gif

Now that the VP is dead, there's no reason why Finn can't turn himself in and get back on the good side of Dana and they can go on happily ever after.

The only thing that is more or less believable is that Clare Danes is not really pregnant during the shooting of the episodes. They make sure the baby bump doesn't get shown.
Edited by PooperScooper - 12/11/12 at 3:39am
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post #1023 of 1211
12/11/12 at 6:25am
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They gave away too much in the previews.

I'm not sure... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Who is the dead marine? Certainly not Brody. Mike?...
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post #1024 of 1211
12/11/12 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post


I'm not sure... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Who is the dead marine? Certainly not Brody. Mike?...

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Are you sure it is a marine?   Didn't the US bury Osama Bin Laden at sea, in white?   It could just be Nasir.   

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post #1025 of 1211
12/11/12 at 6:42am
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Are you sure it is a marine?   Didn't the US bury Osama Bin Laden at sea, in white?   It could just be Nasir.   

oh I didn't remember that, did they?

...About Brody and his liabilities...I still continue to think that he has plenty of leverage to spare his life, the drone, the fact that he helped about Nazir, okay there's also the VP "incident" wink.gif but still... Quinn will have second thoughts. I agree with Titus, the previews usually suggest something that ends up radically different in the actual episode... Estes has to go goddammit tongue.gif
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post #1026 of 1211
12/11/12 at 6:44am
As for the spoiler in the preview, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I thought that the shroud wrapped body being interred at sea was most likely Brody's.

I couldn't believe that Abu Nazir left Carrie alive, either. The best reason for Carrie's survival is that Carrie is played by the star of the show.smile.gif
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post #1027 of 1211
12/11/12 at 6:46am
...there's one detail that bothers me. How did exactly Saul find out about Estes/Quinn's agenda regarding Brody? Simply after his little chat with F. Murray Abraham? I must have missed something cause I kept wondering during his meeting with Estes.
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post #1028 of 1211
12/11/12 at 6:47am
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As for the spoiler in the preview, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I thought that the shroud wrapped body being interred at sea was most likely Brody's.

No way. Season 3 has already been ordered. wink.gif
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post #1029 of 1211
12/11/12 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

people nitpicking about the minute details about this show (or any show) need to realize that this is a television show...television shows are meant to entertain people...it's not about getting every factual detail correct...go read an autobiography for that...do you realize how boring TV shows would be if they stuck to reality

Funny that shows like Boarwalk Empire somehow manage to stay within the rules of the environment they have created. It's called continuity and well written and produced shows have it in spades. It is not hard to throw in a k-9 unit and some night vision goggles and have them STILL not find him. It's not hard to direct the scene and have the entire tactical team stumble onto his hiding place and then see him fleeing and corner him to the same ending with no change to the plot. It is lazy to shoot the scene the way they did and it's irritating for a show based on today's real life issues and even stealing from real storylines. I expect more from a show that wins awards. This isn't Game of Thrones for crying out loud where you can just spin it out as "magic". Did Brody become a Islamic Wizard and cast a spell on his phone to prevent it from being monitored?

People deserve and expect more for $3 million per episode.
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post #1030 of 1211
12/11/12 at 7:15am
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Originally Posted by HD Hockey Guy View Post

It is not hard to throw in a k-9 unit and some night vision goggles and have them STILL not find him. It's not hard to direct the scene and have the entire tactical team stumble onto his hiding place and then see him fleeing and corner him to the same ending with no change to the plot.

Everyone left when Carrie asked them to go back in. There were just these 4 guys packing their stuff... If there were dogs it's not unrealitic to think that they were already gone with the rest of the guys..?
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post #1031 of 1211
12/11/12 at 7:42am
But wouldn't the trained dogs have been able to detect an abnormality around the secret wall where Nazir was hiding? If Carrie can spot it with her (eagle) eyes you would think dogs would be able to smell the presence of a human in that area.
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post #1032 of 1211
12/11/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

No way. Season 3 has already been ordered. wink.gif

Assuming Brody survives the Season 2 finale, I wonder what the writers can do to keep the character relevant. But then I thought the same thing after Season 1 but was pleasantly surprised by how the writers incorporated Brody into Season 2. If Brody is still alive, maybe they can do it again in Season 3.
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post #1033 of 1211
12/11/12 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Assuming Brody survives the Season 2 finale, I wonder what the writers can do to keep the character relevant. But then I thought the same thing after Season 1 but was pleasantly surprised by how the writers incorporated Brody into Season 2. If Brody is still alive, maybe they can do it again in Season 3.

For now, I'm convinced the finale preview is deceiving... They can't possibly spoil it like this in a preview... we'll see... smile.gif
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post #1034 of 1211
12/11/12 at 10:36am
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But wouldn't the trained dogs have been able to detect an abnormality around the secret wall where Nazir was hiding? If Carrie can spot it with her (eagle) eyes you would think dogs would be able to smell the presence of a human in that area.



Wait a minute stop right there, logic and normal tactical procedures don't apply anymore on this show. For example it's okay to break silence and split up from your team while talking to an agent with no protective gear on because they want her to be "seen" easier without it! I truly believe that some of the posters on here are so in love with "Carrie" and the show that they refuse to see it is slowly turning into another "24". The first season was suspenseful and should have been the end of Brody then and there. The show was realistic then but not now, Just my 2 cents
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post #1035 of 1211
12/11/12 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Assuming Brody survives the Season 2 finale, I wonder what the writers can do to keep the character relevant. But then I thought the same thing after Season 1 but was pleasantly surprised by how the writers incorporated Brody into Season 2. If Brody is still alive, maybe they can do it again in Season 3.

My feeling was there was enough character to develop any storyline with a core of Saul, Carrie, Estes and now Quinn (who has become more interesting than I anticipated) and the newly introduced Dar Adul as an emerging storyline to take the black ops stuff to a whole next level and leave Brody a finished chapter. Frankly his family stuff is wearing thin and this show thrived when it focused on politics conflicting against intelligence while both chasing terrorism in a different direction. Plenty to do there if they wanted and abandon the Brody stuff as it's played itself out. Other good shows were never afraid to kill off key characters.
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post #1036 of 1211
12/11/12 at 11:48am
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My feeling was there was enough character to develop any storyline with a core of Saul, Carrie, Estes and now Quinn (who has become more interesting than I anticipated) and the newly introduced Dar Adul as an emerging storyline to take the black ops stuff to a whole next level and leave Brody a finished chapter. Frankly his family stuff is wearing thin and this show thrived when it focused on politics conflicting against intelligence while both chasing terrorism in a different direction. Plenty to do there if they wanted and abandon the Brody stuff as it's played itself out. Other good shows were never afraid to kill off key characters.

But he's not a key character, he's the most important character of the show, with Carrie. The others are key characters. ymmv wink.gif
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post #1037 of 1211
12/11/12 at 11:52am
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My feeling was there was enough character to develop any storyline with a core of Saul, Carrie, Estes and now Quinn (who has become more interesting than I anticipated) and the newly introduced Dar Adul as an emerging storyline to take the black ops stuff to a whole next level and leave Brody a finished chapter. Frankly his family stuff is wearing thin and this show thrived when it focused on politics conflicting against intelligence while both chasing terrorism in a different direction. Plenty to do there if they wanted and abandon the Brody stuff as it's played itself out. Other good shows were never afraid to kill off key characters.

I agree that the Brody storyline seems played out. My interests in him have been his divided loyalties between his country and Abu Nazir, and between his love for Carrie and loyalty to his wife. I just don't see how that can continue with any hope of continuity. Going forward, there may be something more to be done with Nazir's fellow terrorist, the female reporter. It's now become clear that she is as crazy and ruthless as Nazir was.
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post #1038 of 1211
12/11/12 at 11:59am
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Wait a minute stop right there, logic and normal tactical procedures don't apply anymore on this show. For example it's okay to break silence and split up from your team while talking to an agent with no protective gear on because they want her to be "seen" easier without it!

Yes, one of several things that bother me this season in particular.
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I truly believe that some of the posters on here are so in love with "Carrie" and the show that they refuse to see it is slowly turning into another "24". The first season was suspenseful and should have been the end of Brody then and there. The show was realistic then but not now, Just my 2 cents

Interesting point here. It seems as if most Homeland fans either feel that there are so many great things about the show that they're OK with a little plot implausibility, or feel that the degree to which you have to suspend your disbelief is damaging the show for them.
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post #1039 of 1211
12/11/12 at 12:41pm
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Funny that shows like Boarwalk Empire somehow manage to stay within the rules of the environment they have created. It's called continuity and well written and produced shows have it in spades. It is not hard to throw in a k-9 unit and some night vision goggles and have them STILL not find him. It's not hard to direct the scene and have the entire tactical team stumble onto his hiding place and then see him fleeing and corner him to the same ending with no change to the plot. It is lazy to shoot the scene the way they did and it's irritating for a show based on today's real life issues and even stealing from real storylines. I expect more from a show that wins awards. This isn't Game of Thrones for crying out loud where you can just spin it out as "magic". Did Brody become a Islamic Wizard and cast a spell on his phone to prevent it from being monitored?
People deserve and expect more for $3 million per episode.


Exactly.  That saved me a lot of typing.  This is the problem with the ridiculous non-reality plots points in otherwise well written shows (not just Homeland).  These errors of omission/commission are unnecessary and usually lazy writing - as in this case and this episode especially.  That whole Swat team search was so full of "never would happens" that it seriously damages the tension of the plot. 

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post #1040 of 1211
12/11/12 at 1:04pm
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Exactly.  That saved me a lot of typing.  This is the problem with the ridiculous non-reality plots points in otherwise well written shows (not just Homeland).  These errors of omission/commission are unnecessary and usually lazy writing - as in this case and this episode especially.  That whole Swat team search was so full of "never would happens" that it seriously damages the tension of the plot. 

Carrie just tags along with one tac team guy, moments after the audience was conspicuously told that "these guys always work in pairs" or something to that effect. Carrie and the dude hold back to check out behind that equipment cage thing and dude never thinks to radio ahead to his team? Yeah, right.
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post #1041 of 1211
12/11/12 at 4:44pm
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Carrie just tags along with one tac team guy, moments after the audience was conspicuously told that "these guys always work in pairs" or something to that effect.

Perfect example. Lazy writing.
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post #1042 of 1211
12/11/12 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

I'm not sure... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Who is the dead marine? Certainly not Brody. Mike?...

Well, they showed Brody getting a passport pic, so clearly he knows they have a hit out on him. The body being buried at sea is probably the VP. Was he in the Navy/Marines? Either way I'm guessing it was his wish to be buried at sea.

.. I forget what else, but it seemed to lay out the entire finale in the previews.
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post #1043 of 1211
12/11/12 at 6:05pm
the body being buried at sea is clearly meant to represent Abu Nazir...they are mirroring the exact way that Bin Laden was buried...they killed Bin Laden and then according to Muslim practices placed him on a white sheet and dumped his body in the ocean...why would they bury a Marine or the Vice President in the ocean for?

now it could, like I said earlier, be misleading as the previews generally want us to think 1 thing but in reality is something altogether different

as far as Homeland straying from reality in Season 2 did no one see last year's finale where the suicide bomb just magically malfunctioned?...that was literally one of the most corny plot devices of all time
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post #1044 of 1211
12/11/12 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

.why would they bury a Marine or the Vice President in the ocean for?

Same reason Neil Armstrong was buried at sea. By request.

There were far to many sailors in full dress present for the burial of a terrorist.
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post #1045 of 1211
12/11/12 at 7:34pm
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Same reason Neil Armstrong was buried at sea. By request.
There were far to many sailors in full dress present for the burial of a terrorist.

at the 40 second mark of the trailer they are performing a Muslim prayer at the funeral with Saul present...so unless the VP was Muslim it has to be Nazir...the only other thing it could be is 2 separate funerals intercut in the trailer, one for the VP and one for Nazir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozs9dy-Z8-c
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post #1046 of 1211
12/11/12 at 7:38pm
OK, enough! I can't even visit this thread anymore because you've ruined the finale for me.......
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post #1047 of 1211
12/11/12 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

at the 40 second mark of the trailer they are performing a Muslim prayer at the funeral with Saul present...so unless the VP was Muslim it has to be Nazir...the only other thing it could be is 2 separate funerals intercut in the trailer, one for the VP and one for Nazir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozs9dy-Z8-c

I missed the Muslim prayer - and that was definitely on board a ship. When the body was dumped, there were only half a dozen sailors there - somehow my mind filled in the blanks and I pictured the deck of the ship full.
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post #1048 of 1211
12/11/12 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

OK, enough! I can't even visit this thread anymore because you've ruined the finale for me.......

Glad no one mentioned the second shooter on the grassy knoll at 53 seconds. smile.gif
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post #1049 of 1211
12/11/12 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

...there's one detail that bothers me. How did exactly Saul find out about Estes/Quinn's agenda regarding Brody? Simply after his little chat with F. Murray Abraham?

Yes and he lets Estes know he'll make waves if they carry out the hit. Cut to ep 11 and Saul is framed to keep him quiet (we think)
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post #1050 of 1211
12/12/12 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

as far as Homeland straying from reality in Season 2 did no one see last year's finale where the suicide bomb just magically malfunctioned?...that was literally one of the most corny plot devices of all time

A corny plot device doesn't necessarily defy logic.
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