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post #1141 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post

As to the family, they can go, but can we see the wife naked a few more times? wink.gif

LOL! biggrin.gif ...You have a strong point here wink.gif
post #1142 of 1773
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Originally Posted by HD Hockey Guy View Post

Dar Adal is going to blossom next season I think as the reason Quinn didn't finish Brody off when he had him in his sights. We never saw the moment of him changing his mind and I think a play was put in motion by someone above him, not just a soldier breaking orders after he was more than willing to stick a knife in Brody and was ready to shoot him in the limo too.

This is a nice theory, and the way Quinn was filmed (to my eyes, he was becoming more empathetic with Carrie and Brody as he stalked Brody for the shot) might have been intentional misdirection by the writers to hide the fact that his order came from above. All the writers would need to do next season is show us a flashback of Quinn receiving the stand down order just before he executes the shot. Also, his threat against Estes fits with this theory, as they would want to keep Brody alive to be the fall guy for the explosion, but not tip their hand to Estes.

Having written all that, I don't expect the story will play out that way. Usually the most clever internet plot guesses are better than what actually occurs on a show.
post #1143 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

This is a nice theory, and the way Quinn was filmed (to my eyes, he was becoming more empathetic with Carrie and Brody as he stalked Brody for the shot) might have been intentional misdirection by the writers to hide the fact that his order came from above. All the writers would need to do next season is show us a flashback of Quinn receiving the stand down order just before he executes the shot. Also, his threat against Estes fits with this theory, as they would want to keep Brody alive to be the fall guy for the explosion, but not tip their hand to Estes.
Having written all that, I don't expect the story will play out that way. Usually the most clever internet plot guesses are better than what actually occurs on a show.

No offense but how is that plot clever? Quinn is an accomplice to the bombing then? Why? F. Murray Abraham is the new global threat? I'm not buying that. Maybe it's just Quinn who is the most clever. wink.gif
post #1144 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Why is he being hinted at the logical mole? There's absolutely not one single glimpse of hint in the episode.

Have you been reading this thread? http://www.avsforum.com/t/1348543/homeland-on-sho/1080#post_22714560 They don't make sense though and as I said, I don't believe he is for a second and it would be a major flaw to write him that way now.

I also said if not Brody, can we be done with his FAMILY. I realize we are not done with him yet. If they want to write him as an off the grid man on the run trying to find the people responsible (did I just describe Jason Bourne?), then fine, but let's not have him sneaking back to the family house or calling to chit chat. It would be a waste imo.
post #1145 of 1773
I still think that somewhere down the line ,Mike is going to have a much bigger role in the whole picture.
Brody knows all there is to know about his wife and family being tied to Mike for 8 years.
Think this just goes away ?
I keep telling my wife since the first season that Mike is going to croak Brody eventually.
Lots of anger and blood to be spilled next year as this wraps up.
Brody cannot not pay for his murders committed.
Carrie is probably out the door as well since by not telling anyone what she knows, it's the same as being a liar
and in this case a national security threat.
Maybe Saul is the trigger man, or gives the order, after all is said and done.
And why would F.Murray do a cameo in the first place??
Lots to ponder on here but who or whom can you trust these days anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best show on television.
post #1146 of 1773
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Originally Posted by HD Hockey Guy View Post

Have you been reading this thread? http://www.avsforum.com/t/1348543/homeland-on-sho/1080#post_22714560

um yes I've read it and this particular post as well. smile.gif

...it makes zero sense though, so I'll say it again nothing hints at him being the mole in the finale. The fact that he's saying a prayer to honor the dead doesn't make him "deeply religious" rolleyes.gif. Besides it's not the first time he did it (somewhere in the first season but I don't remember when).

he goes away when the bomb is set off.
big deal. Someone from the CIA had to be there I guess. Besides he knew Carrie was most likely to be at the funeral. I'm not sure he wanted her dead...

Did not want Brody to die, what does he care, Brody after all was a terrorist.
He cares for justice and what's right. Brody was a terrorist yes but the truth is, he helped the CIA find Nazir. And he still didn't do it in the bunker, so yes he was wearing the vest, but... Saul has no reason to want Brody dead.

he his now deeply religious.
LOL! that's like saying all muslims are extremists. I'm not religious at all, but I respect people who are. Brody being a muslim doesn't make him more dangerous, Saul praying for the dead doesn't magically make him an extremist. How old is the clown who wrote this?

he masterminded this to blame on muslims.
Since when does he hate muslims?

Saul seems in awe of what he (they) have done.
Seriously! Even my daughter would have caught that he was overwhelmed by the situation and the possible loss of Carrie. In a glimpse of en eye, it's like he's the only one left at the CIA. He's not "in awe" rolleyes.gif

he got his wife back
yes because a little comfort from a loved one can't hurt in high moments of stress. It helps find not only comfort but also balance and perspective. I would qualify the last scenes as "high moments of stress" for these characters. wink.gif

he's now in charge of the CIA
And?...

Anyway... you get my point. wink.gif
Edited by Morpheo - 12/18/12 at 2:40pm
post #1147 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

This is a nice theory, and the way Quinn was filmed (to my eyes, he was becoming more empathetic with Carrie and Brody as he stalked Brody for the shot) might have been intentional misdirection by the writers to hide the fact that his order came from above. All the writers would need to do next season is show us a flashback of Quinn receiving the stand down order just before he executes the shot. Also, his threat against Estes fits with this theory, as they would want to keep Brody alive to be the fall guy for the explosion, but not tip their hand to Estes.
Having written all that, I don't expect the story will play out that way. Usually the most clever internet plot guesses are better than what actually occurs on a show.

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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

No offense but how is that plot clever? Quinn is an accomplice to the bombing then? Why? F. Murray Abraham is the new global threat? I'm not buying that. Maybe it's just Quinn who is the most clever. wink.gif

I didn't mean Adal would be the threat or behind the bombing, but that Adal would be playing a bigger picture beyond the scope of what we see here and now. Quinn is mysterious enough at this point that anything could happen involving him - even the bombing. It's open ended not knowing who he truly reports to aside from formerly Estes and Adal and who's pulling the strings above that. Just like Estes was a "bad guy" depending on how you see things, Adal and Quinn also have those qualities despite playing for the right team as far as we know.

That's all. And like Joseph says, with the way this story has gone thus far, I don't expect it to happen, it's just a theory that sort of would tie some of the events together that seem disconnected right now. As far as any of us knows, the writers kept things open to see what they could come up with until next season starts shooting. Plenty of ways this could play out.
post #1148 of 1773
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Originally Posted by HD Hockey Guy View Post

I didn't mean Adal would be the threat or behind the bombing, but that Adal would be playing a bigger picture beyond the scope of what we see here and now. Quinn is mysterious enough at this point that anything could happen involving him - even the bombing. It's open ended not knowing who he truly reports to aside from formerly Estes and Adal and who's pulling the strings above that. Just like Estes was a "bad guy" depending on how you see things, Adal and Quinn also have those qualities despite playing for the right team as far as we know.

Then I agree with you, and again I didn't mean to sound harsh in my previous post.
post #1149 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Me too but I must confess I would prefer handing that book to Kate Beckinsale or Mary-Louise Parker...I'm sure they both sing just fine wink.gif

Mary Louise Parker, really? eek.gif
post #1150 of 1773
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Mary Louise Parker, really? eek.gif

I find her very sexy and charming yes, and I like her voice! But don't worry I have plenty of other names in my collection... tongue.gif
post #1151 of 1773
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post

Agreed. That whole plot point was hard to swallow. And, who moved the SUV in plain sight of the guards?

Maybe it was someone with clearance who had access to the premises. After all, don't we all know there is a mole? Maybe it is a high ranking person.
post #1152 of 1773
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Originally Posted by dminches View Post

Maybe it was someone with clearance who had access to the premises. After all, don't we all know there is a mole? Maybe it is a high ranking person.

Regardless, no one would be allowed to park an unattended vehicle in that area - it's such a blatant security breach it's laughable.
post #1153 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

Regardless, no one would be allowed to park an unattended vehicle in that area - it's such a blatant security breach it's laughable.

For all you know that car could have been there for 30 seconds before the explosion. I doubt people could legally park in front of the Oklahoma city government building either (although I don't know for sure).
post #1154 of 1773
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Originally Posted by dminches View Post

For all you know that car could have been there for 30 seconds before the explosion. I doubt people could legally park in front of the Oklahoma city government building either (although I don't know for sure).

agree with you hear we are putting way too many assumptions about how things went down.....Hopefully next year well get to see some fo teh security tape (if there is any) and see how long\ what actually happened......
post #1155 of 1773
Saul was on the ship to bury Abu Nazir at sea, so he couldn't have moved the car. One of the CIA agents, can't recall his name is a Moslem and he could be the mole, I guess. The entire funeral/explosion scene seems ridiculous. There would be secret service on the property since the vice president's wife was there. As some of you have noted in past posts, this show has suspended all reality, much like 24, so trying to guess the next moves of the writers is fun, yet fruitless.

Finally, keep Morena, lose the clothes!
post #1156 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

I find her very sexy and charming yes, and I like her voice! But don't worry I have plenty of other names in my collection... tongue.gif

She was super sexy when she was on the West Wing as the extremist for women's rights and dating Josh. That's when I noticed her quirky, sexy streak. I miss that show - solid writing of characters.

I just read this review of the finale; http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/63908/homeland-season-2-episode-12-the-choice

I think it's damn good writing. So good I wish he was on the show's staff.
Edited by HD Hockey Guy - 12/19/12 at 7:06am
post #1157 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

I find her very sexy and charming yes,

When I first saw her on the West Wing, I thought the character as she portrayed her was the most charming character I had ever seen in TV or film.
post #1158 of 1773
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Originally Posted by FOPA View Post

Finally, keep Morena, lose the clothes!

See the movie Death in Love.
post #1159 of 1773
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Originally Posted by FOPA View Post

Saul was on the ship to bury Abu Nazir at sea, so he couldn't have moved the car. One of the CIA agents, can't recall his name is a Moslem and he could be the mole, I guess. The entire funeral/explosion scene seems ridiculous. There would be secret service on the property since the vice president's wife was there. As some of you have noted in past posts, this show has suspended all reality, much like 24, so trying to guess the next moves of the writers is fun, yet fruitless.
Finally, keep Morena, lose the clothes!

Widow. Not quite the same, but I was surprised to learn recently that Obama's (half) sister has zero security assigned to her.
post #1160 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post

When I first saw her [Mary Louise Parker] on the West Wing, I thought the character as she portrayed her was the most charming character I had ever seen in TV or film.

I agree! Mary Louise Parker a fine actress, funny, smart, and charming. As if that weren't enough, she's beautiful. I have loved her Showtime series, Weeds. Parker is also a Tony Award winning Broadway theater actress.
post #1161 of 1773
Random thoughts:

This was great television.

I thought it odd when Saul's wife brought up Carrie in their conversation. With all that had happened since she left and in the midst of a reconcilliation Carrie is the one person she seems concerned about.It made me wonder about the reasons behind their breakup, which never was fully explained...did Carrie have a role in it?

I don't suppose with Brody gone there is any chance Carrie and Jessica could find comfort in each others arms? Just saying...
post #1162 of 1773
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Originally Posted by FOPA View Post

Saul was on the ship to bury Abu Nazir at sea, so he couldn't have moved the car. One of the CIA agents, can't recall his name is a Moslem and he could be the mole, I guess. The entire funeral/explosion scene seems ridiculous. There would be secret service on the property since the vice president's wife was there.

Some viewers said that the two-tiered assassination distraction/bomb vest plot from last season was disturbing because it showed a way that smart terrorists could conceivably thwart many levels of our security. I bet they found this season's terrorist plot reassuring since it showed a make-believe incompetent CIA with virtually no security at all.

How many times was CTU attacked on 24? Twice? smile.gif
post #1163 of 1773
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Originally Posted by dminches View Post

For all you know that car could have been there for 30 seconds before the explosion. I doubt people could legally park in front of the Oklahoma city government building either (although I don't know for sure).

And one would have to be slow on the uptake to believe that the parking lot of the CIA would not be completely secured, even more so during this cermony. Not believable.
post #1164 of 1773
and now, we wait.


post #1165 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post

That's not a plot possibility, it's a loon conspiracy mindset.

I agree. The idea that Saul is working for a foreign agency -- of an ally -- that's had no part in the show so far is pretty farfetched. And also, I hate to say, vaguely anti-Semitic. If Saul was Catholic or Hindu, nobody would claim he was working for the Vatican or India.
post #1166 of 1773
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Originally Posted by FOPA View Post

Saul was on the ship to bury Abu Nazir at sea, so he couldn't have moved the car. One of the CIA agents, can't recall his name is a Moslem and he could be the mole, I guess. The entire funeral/explosion scene seems ridiculous. There would be secret service on the property since the vice president's wife was there. As some of you have noted in past posts, this show has suspended all reality, much like 24, so trying to guess the next moves of the writers is fun, yet fruitless.
Finally, keep Morena, lose the clothes!

In bold is what they wanted you to think, you are linking someones religious affiliation to being a terrorist......The original red herring for the agent wanted you to do just that since thats what Carrie thought, she used profiling and just thought well he is Muslim\Moslem so its a possibility...Sort of a tounge in cheek poke at all those who say oh they are Muslim\Moslem so they MUST be connected somehow to terrorism.....When in fact this was just a plot device to distract the audience and the main characters fromt he fact that Nazir never left....Take a look at the interview with the producers and I believe they answer the question about the agent and his supposed connection to everything...
post #1167 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

I agree. The idea that Saul is working for a foreign agency -- of an ally -- that's had no part in the show so far is pretty farfetched. And also, I hate to say, vaguely anti-Semitic. If Saul was Catholic or Hindu, nobody would claim he was working for the Vatican or India.

Besides, both jews and arabs are semites... wink.gif

And like you said, the idea of Saul working for Mossad is laughable. I didn't know Mossad could be a threat to its most precious ally...


...Speaking of Saul, was it in the series premiere that he had a meeting with some guy in a suit (can't remember his name), and that guy told to him "jew and at the CIA..." or something in that line, with a somewhat sarcastic tone? And Saul simply replied, "American". I liked that.
post #1168 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

...Speaking of Saul, was it in the series premiere that he had a meeting with some guy in a suit (can't remember his name), and that guy told to him "jew and at the CIA..." or something in that line, with a somewhat sarcastic tone? And Saul simply replied, "American". I liked that.

It was when he was trying to sneak the video out of Lebanon and they were searching his case at the airport. The guy asked him "Are you a Jew?"

Saul grimaced and said "American."
post #1169 of 1773
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Random thoughts:

I don't suppose with Brody gone there is any chance Carrie and Jessica could find comfort in each others arms? Just saying...

LOL great minds think alike! biggrin.gif
post #1170 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

And like you said, the idea of Saul working for Mossad is laughable. I didn't know Mossad could be a threat to its most precious ally...

Get ready to start laughing.

Jonathan Pollard was sentenced to life in prison after being convicted for passing classified information he collected as a civilian analyst to Israel.

Defense Department analyst Lawrence A. Franklin was sentenced to twelve years in jail for passing classified military information onto an Israeli diplomat and pro-Israeli lobbyists.

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“It’s a complicated relationship,” said Joseph Wippl, head of the CIA’s office of congressional affairs. “They [Israel] have their interests. We have our interests. For the US, it’s a balancing act.”
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