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post #1321 of 1773
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Originally Posted by lflorack View Post

Peter Quinn's discussion with Saul near the end of this episode has me wondering about what has him so upset that he wants out after this 'case' (other than killing the child). Quinn asked what are we doing here more than once during that talk.

You'll rememeber that Quinn also decided not to kill Brody last season. Along with that, we still don't know who leaked Brody's confession to the media either. At the time, I automatically figured it was the terrorists. But, now that I think about it more, it may have been the CIA. If so, they already know that the recorded confession was for the aborted assasination attempt on the VP -- and NOT for the CAI bombing. They could have released the recording in an attempt to kill Brodie during the manhunt to finish what Quinn didn't want to do -- meanwhile protecting the agency. Throwing Carrie under the bus could be to protect her as well as - you guessed it - protecting the Agency.

If I combine those points and Saul's increasingly bad mood about his role protecting the agency, a lot of what' we've been watching may have been created by the CIA (and Saul) - all of it put into play to protect themselves. After all, they already know about Brody being turned and yet they didn't tell anybody.

We'll see I guess.
I see it all as a ruse to get her next to Brody.
post #1322 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Will2007 View Post

Hmmm...I never considered that it was anyone but the CIA who deliberately leaked Brody's confession to the media. As the original SSD card was taken from Abu Nazir's bag in the raid, and the CIA had it the whole time, who else could have leaked it?

I made the assumption that what the CIA obtained from Abu Nazir's bag was a copy -- mostly because I also assumed that there are many additional copies floating around.
post #1323 of 1773
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Originally Posted by NorthJersey View Post

I was wondering, is it a coincidence there are so many British actors in this series? The series appears to be filmed in North Carolina

What's your connection between Britain and North Carolina?
post #1324 of 1773
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

He was great in Dead Like Me too. But I always remember him from The Princess Bride. And in fact, if you have this first episode on DVR, go back to the part where they show all of the messy scribbling on the pad from crazy lady wink.gif On the bottom right part of the page there is something written that was like the classic line from that movie-- you killed my father "prepare to die!" cool.gif
I will definitely go back and check that episode for the princess bride reference. Gotta love some Inigo Montoya.

"My name is Inigo Montoya...prepare to die."
post #1325 of 1773
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

He was great in Dead Like Me too. But I always remember him from The Princess Bride. And in fact, if you have this first episode on DVR, go back to the part where they show all of the messy scribbling on the pad from crazy lady wink.gif On the bottom right part of the page there is something written that was like the classic line from that movie-- you killed my father "prepare to die!" cool.gif

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Originally Posted by THeCozen1 View Post

I will definitely go back and check that episode for the princess bride reference. Gotta love some Inigo Montoya.

"My name is Inigo Montoya...prepare to die."

A lot of people don't know, or don't remember, that Mandy Patinkin was a big time Broadway musical theater star before anybody other than Broadway fans had ever heard of him. He is a remarkably talented guy.
post #1326 of 1773
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


A lot of people don't know, or don't remember, that Mandy Patinkin was a big time Broadway musical theater star before anybody other than Broadway fans had ever heard of him. He is a remarkably talented guy.
Yes wasn't he one of the stars of Evita?
post #1327 of 1773
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Originally Posted by acebreathe View Post

Yes wasn't he one of the stars of Evita?

Yes, in the original Broadway production. He was in Yentl on film...
post #1328 of 1773
Alien Nation since no one on here seems to remember it? My introduction to whom Mandy Patinkin was. wink.gif
post #1329 of 1773
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Originally Posted by acebreathe View Post

Yes wasn't he one of the stars of Evita?

Yep. Patinkin won a Tony for originating the role of Che in Evita in 1978.
post #1330 of 1773
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

Yes, in the original Broadway production. He was in Yentl on film...

I have a love-hate relationship with Yentl. Dramatically, it couldn't have been worse, with the 41 year old Barbra Streisand trying to credibly portray a young woman in her teens or early 20s who has disguised herself as a young man. That was painful. Aging Divas can get by with that sort of thing on opera stages but not on film. The film was saved, though, by Michel Legrand and Alan & Marilyn Bergman's beautiful songs sung equally beautifully by Streisand. Despite its weaknesses, I watch Yentl every time it shows up on TV in order to hear Streisand sing those lovely songs again for which Legrand and the Bergmans won an Oscar. If Patinkin did any singing in Yentl it couldn't have been much because I can't remember a bit of it.
post #1331 of 1773
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I have a love-hate relationship with Yentl. Dramatically, it couldn't have been worse, with the 41 year old Barbra Streisand trying to credibly portray a young woman in her teens or early 20s who has disguised herself as a young man. That was painful. Aging Divas can get by with that sort of thing on opera stages but not on film. The film was saved, though, by Michel Legrand and Alan & Marilyn Bergman's beautiful songs sung equally beautifully by Streisand. Despite its weaknesses, I watch Yentl every time it shows up on TV in order to hear Streisand sing those lovely songs again for which Legrand and the Bergmans won an Oscar. If Patinkin did any singing in Yentl it couldn't have been much because I can't remember a bit of it.

Agree with the hate relationship part. I'm embarrassed to admit that my introduction to Mandy Patinkin was way back in 1983 in Yentl at the movie theater. I was home on break from college and I think my parents dragged me to it. For a young straight male adult in 1983, a Barbara Steisand film was not exactly the height of cool. Anyway, he made an impression on me such that I remember him more from that film than from The Princess Bride, which when I first saw it thought, "Hey, that's the guy from Yentl." I kept that thought to myself.

He's awesome as Saul, and I can't imagine anyone else bringing to that role what he does. Carrie's final words to him in the most recent episode were perfect, but I think she's giving him short shrift. I think he really is trying to look out for her, keeping her from being prosecuted by DOJ for serious felony offenses, or at least helping lay the groundwork for some possible defenses for her.

Right now, she can't see that, but I suspect eventually she will come to understand what Saul is doing.

I really like Carrie and I especially like Saul. He's a man of deep conviction and principle, and he carries a quiet dignity and humility. He's not comfortable being a leader. He prefers to sit back away from the heat and in his comfort zone.
post #1332 of 1773

I've long been a Patinkin fan, from his Broadway/singing days to his (somewhat bipolar) acting career that followed.  He was always a joy to hear singing and his acting is often intense and intensely fun.  However, he tends to throw himself into these intense characters and then burn out just as the character reaches maximum interest.  This is followed by his leaving the show behind to "be with the family" or some such.  Chicago Hope's Dr. Jeffrey Geiger is my prime example.  Wonderful part, great acting, some singing, suddenly just leaves.  He has done this in other shows as well.  I hope Homeland is more to his liking and he sticks around.  And, if you've never heard him really sing, his Somewhere Over the Rainbow is outstanding and he includes the touching intro that is almost never used.  His tenor borders on the operatic.

post #1333 of 1773
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

  And, if you've never heard him really sing, his Somewhere Over the Rainbow is outstanding and he includes the touching intro that is almost never used.  His tenor borders on the operatic.

I have heard him sing, and he's wonderful.
post #1334 of 1773
My wife was a huge Streisand fan so we had to see Yentl. She fell in love with Mandy and said she would see him in anything. So I took her to Alien Nation...smile.gif

To put it mildly, it wasn't her usual type of film. She claimed she was tricked...biggrin.gif:
post #1335 of 1773
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

I've long been a Patinkin fan, from his Broadway/singing days to his (somewhat bipolar) acting career that followed.  He was always a joy to hear singing and his acting is often intense and intensely fun.  However, he tends to throw himself into these intense characters and then burn out just as the character reaches maximum interest.  This is followed by his leaving the show behind to "be with the family" or some such.  Chicago Hope's Dr. Jeffrey Geiger is my prime example.  Wonderful part, great acting, some singing, suddenly just leaves.  He has done this in other shows as well.  I hope Homeland is more to his liking and he sticks around.  And, if you've never heard him really sing, his Somewhere Over the Rainbow is outstanding and he includes the touching intro that is almost never used.  His tenor borders on the operatic.

Yep:
post #1336 of 1773
Patinkin was also great in the defunct series "Dead Like Me". Check it out.
post #1337 of 1773
Thread Starter 
bobby94928,
That was amazing! Thanks for sharing smile.gif
post #1338 of 1773
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

I've long been a Patinkin fan, from his Broadway/singing days to his (somewhat bipolar) acting career that followed.  He was always a joy to hear singing and his acting is often intense and intensely fun.  However, he tends to throw himself into these intense characters and then burn out just as the character reaches maximum interest.  This is followed by his leaving the show behind to "be with the family" or some such.  Chicago Hope's Dr. Jeffrey Geiger is my prime example.  Wonderful part, great acting, some singing, suddenly just leaves.  He has done this in other shows as well.  I hope Homeland is more to his liking and he sticks around.  And, if you've never heard him really sing, his Somewhere Over the Rainbow is outstanding and he includes the touching intro that is almost never used.  His tenor borders on the operatic.

First, you are right that Patinkin's high tenor voice is a joy to listen to. On top of that, he has great taste. He does tend to burn out and leave shows, which always makes whatever show it was less appealing. Consider Criminal Minds, for example. He has been wonderful as Saul in Homeland. I hope he sticks around.
post #1339 of 1773
That performance sent chills up my spine. What a beautiful voice! Does he still have the same range, 24 years later?
post #1340 of 1773
Just think if Saul sang that to Carrie. She would have flipped her polarity in a microsecond.

That said it was amazing for a last minute fill in! I feel like checking iTunes.
post #1341 of 1773
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Best episode of the season. The first 30 minutes as all about Brody in Venezuela!

Loved the ending, cringe worthy. Both Brody and Carie are in their own hell, curled up in the corner of the room all drugged up.

That Venezuelan lady was pretty. The show needs more of her tongue.gif
post #1342 of 1773
One of the best episodes of the series, IMO.
And a whole hour without any teenagers. eek.gif
post #1343 of 1773
agreed, great episode. i was stoked to see the awesome erik dellums (homicide: life on the street, the wire) playing the creepy dr. graham.
post #1344 of 1773
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

One of the best episodes of the series, IMO.
And a whole hour without any teenagers. eek.gif

LOL.. exactly, this wasn't the typical DC family drama tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by kittycarole View Post

agreed, great episode. i was stoked to see the awesome erik dellums (homicide: life on the street, the wire) playing the creepy dr. graham.

That's where I knew him from, I knew I recognized him from somewhere. What's up with them supplying Brody with free heroin?
post #1345 of 1773
Ridiculous episode. Doesn't explain how he got to Venezuela or how he got shot.

Guess this episode fills this season's quota for exotic locale and danger.

That and paralleling Carrie and Brody both in captivity.

You can forget about this show ever tying up loose ends. They're making all kinds of tangles and knots to keep Brody on the show at all costs.
post #1346 of 1773
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Ridiculous episode. Doesn't explain how he got to Venezuela or how he got shot.

Guess this episode fills this season's quota for exotic locale and danger.

That and paralleling Carrie and Brody both in captivity.

You can forget about this show ever tying up loose ends. They're making all kinds of tangles and knots to keep Brody on the show at all costs.

Very good point. Although, he was shot by the Colombians.
post #1347 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

Best episode of the season. The first 30 minutes as all about Brody in Venezuela!

Loved the ending, cringe worthy. Both Brody and Carie are in their own hell, curled up in the corner of the room all drugged up.

That Venezuelan lady was pretty. The show needs more of her tongue.gif

Indeed. She's stunning. Her Father warned Brody not to touch her, so you know there's going to be trouble.

I tried to find her on IMDB, but couldn't. Who is she?
post #1348 of 1773
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post

Indeed. She's stunning. Her Father warned Brody not to touch her, so you know there's going to be trouble.

I tried to find her on IMDB, but couldn't. Who is she?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0306357/

https://twitter.com/xmartinagarciax
post #1349 of 1773
If they don't want 10M then what do they want with Brody?
post #1350 of 1773
So they draw an explicit parallel to his time in Iraq and of course, Carrie is going through her mental issues again, trying to keep a lid on the crazy.

The writers seem to like putting the hero and heroine through torturous situations repeatedly.
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