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post #1381 of 1773
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I'm pretty sure they are. Notice the prayer mat, mimicking her father's behavior?

Dana as the new terrorist!

in all seriousness the show needs to kill off Brody...they are stretching the show thin trying to shoehorn in the Brody's at all costs when it would serve the story best to have him die...the soapy Brody/Carrie love story is so ridiculous on a number of levels but the show seems to have made this the focus

I hope the new season can really begin this coming week as the first few episodes seemed to have been nothing but a prologue with Carrie in the nuthouse and Brody MIA until last week
post #1382 of 1773
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

Dana as the new terrorist!

in all seriousness the show needs to kill off Brody...they are stretching the show thin trying to shoehorn in the Brody's at all costs when it would serve the story best to have him die...the soapy Brody/Carrie love story is so ridiculous on a number of levels but the show seems to have made this the focus

I really don't think their love story is the focus right now. Personally I don't want Brody killed off, I think he's a very interesting character since he reflects both the fear of terrorism, the limits of "faith" even if it's the only thing that keeps one going, and , yes, the love that drives him (for Carrie, for his family,etc). He is imo one of the most conflicted characters (to say the least! wink.gif) I've seen on TV and that makes him fascinating. Besides when you have lead actors of that caliber (I'm thinking mostly of Claire Danes, Damian Lewis and Mandy Patinkin) I see no reason to fix this unbroken formula smile.gif. Their relationship is only one aspect of their characters, and frankly, I think all of our choices and decisions over the course of our lives are made out of "love" and commitment, to someone or something. Whether they're the right ones or not is not the point, but Carrie and Brody are very "rich" characters who both have to deal with the impossbile situations they're put in. It's when they decide to kill him off that the show could become just another conventional "spy thriller" with flawed good guys trying to take down flawed bad guys repeatedly... - hopefully they won't. If they kill him off, what about Carrie? After all another agent could take her place. Then the show would slowly be on its way to meaninglessness.
post #1383 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

It's when they decide to kill him off that the show could become just another conventional "spy thriller" with flawed good guys trying to take down flawed bad guys repeatedly... - hopefully they won't. If they kill him off, what about Carrie? After all another agent could take her place. Then the show would slowly be on its way to meaninglessness.

Good points. cool.gif

Yeah, they could just kill 'em off and franchise the series.

Homeland: Miami. Homeland: LA. Homeland: Peoria.

I've never seen any version of CSI (not my thing). Just how many permutations of that formula are there, anyway?
post #1384 of 1773
Homeland posts second biggest audience ever despite storm of complaints from fans about miserable plotlines:

-Third season has been widely criticized as 'confusing' and a 'train wreck'
-Fans of the show have taken to Twitter to castigate the producers over what many have described as a 'train wreck'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2463632/Homeland-posts-2nd-biggest-audience-despite-complaints.html
post #1385 of 1773
I really wish people would stop using the euphemism "train wreck" for everything they don't like and reserve it for actual wrecked trains. Enough! rolleyes.gif
post #1386 of 1773
What a ridiculous complaint! The beginning of season 3 simply showed us the characters as they try to adapt to the situation and events that occured at the end of the last season. What did they expect? Saul as the big chief chasing terrorists around the globe giving instructions to his "assets" as if nothing happened? Carrie back to the CIA as if nothing happened? Brody's family completely left off the equation because they're "not relevant", as if nothing happened? Brody completely forgotten because you know, we just have to move on to the new threats? This is not Bourne and this is not 24! (which I love too by the way) mad.gif Had the writers done this, I'm sure the "fans" would have taken it to twitter to castigate the producers over the lack of continuity and character developement. rolleyes.gif
post #1387 of 1773
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Not the only one (solidarity dude!), but maybe the only New Yorker. wink.gif
biggrin.gif lol, funny and so true.

BTW, I mentioned in a previous post that Clark Johnson directed episodes 3 and 4 but that is not correct. He did 3 and 5.

They shot the "Tower of Babel" scenes in San Juan. Clark wanted to film it on location, at the actual building in Venezuela but Showtime wouldn't go for that cool.gif
post #1388 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

What a ridiculous complaint! The beginning of season 3 simply showed us the characters as they try to adapt to the situation and events that occured at the end of the last season. What did they expect? Saul as the big chief chasing terrorists around the globe giving instructions to his "assets" as if nothing happened? Carrie back to the CIA as if nothing happened? Brody's family completely left off the equation because they're "not relevant", as if nothing happened? Brody completely forgotten because you know, we just have to move on to the new threats? This is not Bourne and this is not 24! (which I love too by the way) mad.gif Had the writers done this, I'm sure the "fans" would have taken it to twitter to castigate the producers over the lack of continuity and character developement. rolleyes.gif

well said morpheo.
post #1389 of 1773
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post


They shot the "Tower of Babel" scenes in San Juan. Clark wanted to film it on location, at the actual building in Venezuela but Showtime wouldn't go for that cool.gif

that's what really made those scenes stand out to me...the location was almost like another character...Homeland has filmed on location every season...parts of the first 2 seasons were filmed in Israel and some of the later episodes of Season 3 were filmed in Morocco

here's more about the actual Tower of David building...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/homeland-brody-tower-of-david-torre-de-david-caracas
post #1390 of 1773
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I really wish people would stop using the euphemism "train wreck" for everything they don't like and reserve it for actual wrecked trains. Enough! rolleyes.gif
Agreed, , My pet -peeve ...
I never want to hear anyone say the idiotic terms "Man-Cave", or "Va-Jay-Jay", ever, ever again ..
.. OK, back to our normally scheduled discussion .... smile.gifsmile.gif
post #1391 of 1773
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

North Korea more precisely...

Anyway I also don't know why Brody is shaving his head, he is still recognized like immediately as a wanted terrorist , he should sport a beard at least, Patinkin style..

Or a la Fielding Mellish
post #1392 of 1773
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

that's what really made those scenes stand out to me...the location was almost like another character...Homeland has filmed on location every season...parts of the first 2 seasons were filmed in Israel and some of the later episodes of Season 3 were filmed in Morocco

here's more about the actual Tower of David building...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/homeland-brody-tower-of-david-torre-de-david-caracas
Thanks for the link. wink.gif I got my Tower names mixed up redface.gifwink.gif
post #1393 of 1773
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Originally Posted by kittycarole View Post

i agree. i haven't understood all the backlash against the dana character this season. i am fascinated by her. especially her secretive intrigue with brody's prayer mat.

I'm fascinated by why she's getting so much screen time. She's like the Theon of Homeland. Enough!

Why is daddy gangster so keen on keeping Brody alive. Owing a favor is one thing, but this is going above and beyond. I would give him some cash and wish him well. Get him the hell away from my smoking hot daughter.

Just once, I'd like to see a tv show / movie pretend to fix a gun shot wound properly, as opposed to just digging around to fish out the bullet. You're just making a bigger whole, idiot!
post #1394 of 1773
I hope this season really takes off tonight...they do the exact same Carrie is off her meds/in the nuthouse story every single season and it's getting tiresome...Claire Danes crazy face is great but after seeing it 500 times I'm getting tired of it...literally every season has told this story...I don't need to see them try and diffuse a major terrorist attack every season but the way they are doing it this year is also not the way to shake things up...the show will be headed down cancellation road if they don't start picking up the pace and quality soon
post #1395 of 1773
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

I'm fascinated by why she's getting so much screen time. She's like the Theon of Homeland. Enough!

your reference was lost on me. but after a quick google i think i get the point you were trying to make.

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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

I hope this season really takes off tonight...

i thought last week's episode got us moving along quite well.
post #1396 of 1773
Thread Starter 
wow. A little slow but the ending was great.

So.. Her being in the hospital due to Saul and the agency was all a ploy to get the meeting?
post #1397 of 1773
"Game On" A perfect title.
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

So.. Her being in the hospital due to Saul and the agency was all a ploy to get the meeting?

It's my impression that Saul is the only one who knows about this, and the CIA is actively trying to get Carrie. There isn't really any other way to play it for Saul.
post #1398 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

wow. A little slow but the ending was great.

So.. Her being in the hospital due to Saul and the agency was all a ploy to get the meeting?

Have to admit, I never saw that one coming! Glad Ron Temple wasn't on this thread to spoil the surprise like in the Strike Back thread. tongue.gif
post #1399 of 1773
I don't know, it's a bit farfetched as texting from the situation room or terrorists gunning down CIA in PA and Nazir coming into the US and causing havoc.

Fact that they had to explain it, tack on this little behind the scenes featurette patting themselves on the back for the con is also dubious.

They could get the Iranian killed because he's running operations on his own (like attacking Langley without the approval of Iranian leadership) but they want to try to capture him instead?

And now he's going to take the bait and fly into the US?
post #1400 of 1773
Well the plot unfolds. Its about time, the show was losing me.
post #1401 of 1773
Sorry but I thought it was brilliant writing.
post #1402 of 1773
Would the CIA really go to these lengths to try to capture this guy alive?

In reality, if he was one of the top guys in Iranian intelligence, he probably wouldn't leave Iran. Maybe go to a friendly country but go to Venezuela and apparently he's going to go to the US?


The CIA killed people involved with the Langley bombing. The first time they'd get a crack at him, they'd probably have him killed by a drone or special ops team, not do some cheesy undercover sting.
post #1403 of 1773
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Would the CIA really go to these lengths to try to capture this guy alive?

In reality, if he was one of the top guys in Iranian intelligence, he probably wouldn't leave Iran. Maybe go to a friendly country but go to Venezuela and apparently he's going to go to the US?


The CIA killed people involved with the Langley bombing. The first time they'd get a crack at him, they'd probably have him killed by a drone or special ops team, not do some cheesy undercover sting.

A drone strike on Iranian soil against one of their top guys would almost certainly lead to war, the President would never approve it. Like Saul said, they can release the fact he's been skimming money to the Iranians, and then they'd line him up and shoot him; they still have that in their "back pocket". But, to get him to the US to be interrogated could be an absolute gold mine to the CIA. Would the CIA really do this, no I don't think so. But, with the desperate situation they've been left in on the show, its reasonably believable TV I think.
post #1404 of 1773
That's the point, he wouldn't leave Iran.

Or go anywhere where the govt. might allow US to conduct drone strikes, such as the Sudan.

Plus, they didn't try to capture Osama Bin Laden. They decided to kill on sight and dispose of the body, not try to capture him alive.

They killed the 6 targets with extreme prejudice. If he was stupid enough to leave Iran, they'd try to take him out.

Capture him to torture him?
post #1405 of 1773
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

I hope this season really takes off tonight...

well at least the season now has a clear direction...the twist was nice...I'm still not fully invested in this Javadi character because we know nothing about him except through info dumps...it's not like he's been on the show for a few seasons...he's literally this seasons new big bad guy but I don't feel it in the same way as Abu Nazir...Nazir had a face and a real connection with our characters

this Dana story is worse then anything Kim Bauer ever did on 24...so now this new boyfriend is some secret killer? rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

here is an excellent interview with showrunner Alex Gansa detailing last night's twist as well as addressing a lot of viewers complaints about Season 3 in general...

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/21/homeland-season-3-interview/

“This season will begin to pick up [the] pace now,” showrunner Alex Gansa told EW in a postmortem interview. “By the time we move into the last five episodes, we’ll be back in breakneck speed again. In the writer’s room, we’ve been playing a long con too.”
post #1406 of 1773
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post



this Dana story is worse then anything Kim Bauer ever did on 24...so now this new boyfriend is some secret killer? rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif
No, no, no! This is a good thing! Hopefully he'll kill her and then we'll be done with her. wink.gifbiggrin.gif
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post #1408 of 1773
Now that there's finally an interesting new direction I hope Dana and her psycho boyfriend fade into the mist. If not a murder suicide will do.
post #1409 of 1773
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Got to agree with the Hollywood Reporter. From my perspective the last two episodes were "snoozers". I am hopeful the next episode will regain some of the intensity from season one. If not, it will be much harder to make time to watch this show
post #1410 of 1773
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This article seems to be saying that Carrie was in on the plan all along. My impression was that Saul didn't fully reveal his plan to Carrie until he came to visit her in the psych ward ("F**k you, Saul" scene). So when Carrie was watching in disbelief at Saul throwing her under the bus on TV, that was real shock and betrayal on her face.

EDIT: Just read an interview with the producer confirming that Carrie was in this from the beginning. Ehh... I don't know how I feel about this now.
Edited by cuzzin - 10/21/13 at 8:21pm
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