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post #1501 of 1773
I thought her brother took the news surprisingly well. In real life, he either would have hit her for abandoning them or shouted "Yahoo! Dibs on her room!"
post #1502 of 1773
But it seems this is the end of Dana's story, maybe we forget about the whole Brody family for a while until he returns to the US.

This gets rid of Dana's haters and Morena can stop hiding her belly they can't hide it anymore...

They could have written it on the show, instead of Carrie being the pregnant one.. oh well..
post #1503 of 1773
We need to keep track of the ridiculous things in this series, like Brody texting Nazir from the situation room or this very public ruse to oust Carrie, so that she can lure Javadi, the second in command of the Iranian intelligence, to sneak into the US.

Now we can add Javadi agreeing to spy on his own govt. for the US.

The leverage Saul had was that they have documented evidence of him stealing money from the Iranian govt, which would be punished by torture and a painful death.

So Javadi agrees to go to the country where the leverage Saul has would be most effective? Why wouldn't he fly that jet somewhere else and ask for asylum?

And Saul let him go without debriefing him on the state of Iran's nuclear weapons development, didn't he?

Now he appealed to Javadi on the grounds that this was ultimately a better thing for both their countries. But is it a better thing for Javadi, who turned from being a henchman for the Shah to the revolution instantly for the sake of self-preservation?
post #1504 of 1773
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

We need to keep track of the ridiculous things in this series, like Brody texting Nazir from the situation room or this very public ruse to oust Carrie, so that she can lure Javadi, the second in command of the Iranian intelligence, to sneak into the US.

Now we can add Javadi agreeing to spy on his own govt. for the US.

The leverage Saul had was that they have documented evidence of him stealing money from the Iranian govt, which would be punished by torture and a painful death.

So Javadi agrees to go to the country where the leverage Saul has would be most effective? Why wouldn't he fly that jet somewhere else and ask for asylum?
Maybe he will. This was Saul's gutsiest, and perhaps most foolish, move so far. That's what made this episode the best of the season so far (among other reasons).
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And Saul let him go without debriefing him on the state of Iran's nuclear weapons development, didn't he?
Did he, or didn't he? I think we won't find out until later.
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Now he appealed to Javadi on the grounds that this was ultimately a better thing for both their countries. But is it a better thing for Javadi, who turned from being a henchman for the Shah to the revolution instantly for the sake of self-preservation?
As we saw several times, Javadi is a master manipulator. We won't know until later if Javadi will actually turn against his country.

Three other things that astounded me about this episode, and how they were carefully crafted throughout this season:
1) Everyone, from Saul to the Senator to Abraham's character, don't really care that a baby's mother and grandmother were brutally murdered in Bethesda and the culprit was allowed to walk away with only a bloody nose, which shows how inured they've become to their own nonsense. Only Quinn and the new analyst are developing a conscience about what they're all doing.
2) In working with this monster, the strongest feeling Saul expressed was nostalgia for the "good old days" and it prompted him to finally try to reconcile with his wife. It was truly creepy.
3) The new analyst is a loose cannon. She is disgusted with the turn of events, yet they don't see it, and I predict she'll cause them a lot of well-deserved trouble later on.
post #1505 of 1773
One of my only complaints is that I can hardly remember an episode where Carrie didn't cry or almost cry. She's unstable...we get it.

Another issue I have is that the real world hierarchy of the intelligence agencies isn't reflected on the show. They completely ignore the existence of the Director of National Intelligence. Of course...I'm also bothered that Saul, as the acting head of an entire agency, has so little to do on the admin side and so much time for hands-on missions.

Also, I am absolutely certain that the Senator being nominated will never be confirmed. It would have too great of an impact on far too many central characters.
post #1506 of 1773
Did Saul's wife have something to do with the bombing? Just wondering.
post #1507 of 1773
OK, sorry, I'm really hoping Homeland gets back to the "Manchurian Candidate" theme, and am rooting that Sen. Lockhart (really great performance by the actor who plays him) = Raymond Shaw. Just my opinion, of course.
post #1508 of 1773
Great episode, just watched it. Guess Saul will be having company in his wife's bed. Though that Quinn would walk away from the whole job or destroy himself. Outstanding acting again by Mandy..
post #1509 of 1773
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Did Saul's wife have something to do with the bombing? Just wondering.

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What would be her motivation?
post #1510 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

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What would be her motivation?

There probably would be no rational motivation, but if she were unstable (and there's no indication she is), it could be to destroy the organization that destroyed her marriage. Saul is married to the CIA and she resents it.
post #1511 of 1773
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post


Three other things that astounded me about this episode, and how they were carefully crafted throughout this season:
1) Everyone, from Saul to the Senator to Abraham's character, don't really care that a baby's mother and grandmother were brutally murdered in Bethesda and the culprit was allowed to walk away with only a bloody nose, which shows how inured they've become to their own nonsense. Only Quinn and the new analyst are developing a conscience about what they're all doing.
2) In working with this monster, the strongest feeling Saul expressed was nostalgia for the "good old days" and it prompted him to finally try to reconcile with his wife. It was truly creepy.
3) The new analyst is a loose cannon. She is disgusted with the turn of events, yet they don't see it, and I predict she'll cause them a lot of well-deserved trouble later on.

All very good points. I suspect you are onto something with 3). Her grabbing the knife as Javadi passed by was a bit of foreshadowing, I suppose.
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Another issue I have is that the real world hierarchy of the intelligence agencies isn't reflected on the show. They completely ignore the existence of the Director of National Intelligence. Of course...I'm also bothered that Saul, as the acting head of an entire agency, has so little to do on the admin side and so much time for hands-on missions.

Yes, the latter does seem highly implausible, as anyone who has worked in government or any bureaucracy for that matter can attest.
post #1512 of 1773
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

I'm also bothered that Saul, as the acting head of an entire agency, has so little to do on the admin side and so much time for hands-on missions.
In fairness, that complaint could be leveled at almost any show on TV or in the Movies. The mundane parts of jobs are pretty much complete ignored.

People don't like scenes with Dana, imagine if we watched Saul filling out forms for 10 minutes wink.gif
post #1513 of 1773
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All very good points. I suspect you are onto something with 3). Her grabbing the knife as Javadi passed by was a bit of foreshadowing, I suppose.
Yes, the latter does seem highly implausible, as anyone who has worked in government or any bureaucracy for that matter can attest.
I believe it was a pair of scissors and not a knife.
post #1514 of 1773
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I believe it was a pair of scissors and not a knife.

Oops. You're right, it was.
post #1515 of 1773
Actually the show might improve if they put Quinn and the young analyst as the center of the show.
post #1516 of 1773
I guess I'm not the only one who didn't remember some characters' names, so I looked them up on IMDB:
F. Murray Abraham = Dar Adal
Sarita Choudhury = Mira Berenson
Nazanin Boniadi (young analyst) = Fara Sherazi

Actually, have we ever heard Fara's name on the show? I don't remember anyone addressing her by name.
post #1517 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Will2007 View Post

All very good points. I suspect you are onto something with 3). Her grabbing the knife as Javadi passed by was a bit of foreshadowing, I suppose.

I saw that move as complete personal distrust for Javadi and a self-defense move.

I thought the ep was okay but too much Carrie and Saul playing into Javadi's little mind games. I would think spies would be more callous and immune to that little game. Hated when Carrie stops Javadi from going on the plane to ask the question when she has no way of knowing whether he is telling her the truth. And she doesn't say look into my eyes like Saul does as if that is going to help.
post #1518 of 1773
I actually appreciate many of the problems others have with the show.

To often in these shows, the government, organizations and protagonists behave "perfectly" and with precision that quite frankly doesn't exist in the real world.
post #1519 of 1773
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post

Nazanin Boniadi (young analyst) = Fara Sherazi

Actually, have we ever heard Fara's name on the show? I don't remember anyone addressing her by name.

I believe Saul did refer to her by her first name at least once one or two episodes back.
post #1520 of 1773
Fav moment was Saul and Adar punking the Senator in the conference room.
Lights out was sweet wink.gif

Still have many problems with this show, but spy games and no Brody family really helped
this episode.
post #1521 of 1773
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post

I guess I'm not the only one who didn't remember some characters' names, so I looked them up on IMDB:
F. Murray Abraham = Dar Adal
biggrin.gif When we're watching it my house we refer to him as Salieri.

BTW-- You notice-- Clark Johnson as the detective. wink.gif

Alpha House premiers this Friday on Amazon.com streaming. First three episodes free then it's for Prime members only. Funny smart stuff. Give it a shot cool.gif
post #1522 of 1773
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

BTW-- You notice-- Clark Johnson as the detective. wink.gif
i did notice. i squeed and yelled meldrick!

i bet i'm the only one here that knows nazanin boniadi from the soap general hospital. ha!
post #1523 of 1773
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

biggrin.gif When we're watching it my house we refer to him as Salieri.

BTW-- You notice-- Clark Johnson as the detective. wink.gif

Alpha House premiers this Friday on Amazon.com streaming. First three episodes free then it's for Prime members only. Funny smart stuff. Give it a shot cool.gif
Definitely, also with John Goodman!
post #1524 of 1773
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

biggrin.gif When we're watching it my house we refer to him as Salieri.

Bet he has no problem with that I.D.
post #1525 of 1773
I knew she was very pretty even though they make her plain looking on the show. The "analyst" cleans up nicely!

post #1526 of 1773
She looks good " plain " too.
post #1527 of 1773
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

One of my only complaints is that I can hardly remember an episode where Carrie didn't cry or almost cry. She's unstable...we get it.
She's pregnant now too... the physical and psychological effects of pregnancy can make even the strongest women cry and act out- imagine that stress on top of her usual fragile condition? eek.gif
post #1528 of 1773
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She's pregnant now too... the physical and psychological effects of pregnancy can make even the strongest women cry and act out- imagine that stress on top of her usual fragile condition? eek.gif

Agreed, and considering that she threw out her meds again, I thought she was fairly stable this week.
post #1529 of 1773
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

She's pregnant now too... the physical and psychological effects of pregnancy can make even the strongest women cry and act out- imagine that stress on top of her usual fragile condition? eek.gif

There is a scenario where she is NOT pregnant. If you google Thorazine and false urine pregnancy results you will see hits. Now what is the probability of that scenario, I don't know but it is something the writers could throw in if they wanted to.
post #1530 of 1773
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Originally Posted by zalusky View Post

There is a scenario where she is NOT pregnant. If you google Thorazine and false urine pregnancy results you will see hits. Now what is the probability of that scenario, I don't know but it is something the writers could throw in if they wanted to.

interesting...
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