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post #1561 of 1773
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Originally Posted by KOA View Post

What kind of rounds are used by Quinn in the sniper rifle that you can hit someone in the arm and not blow their arm off or at least permanently lose the use of it if you survive?

I think he just clipped her.
post #1562 of 1773
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

I think he just clipped her.

Which caused her to go to the ground without making a noise, not scream out in pain. Seems unlikely to me.
post #1563 of 1773
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Originally Posted by KOA View Post

What kind of rounds are used by Quinn in the sniper rifle that you can hit someone in the arm and not blow their arm off or at least permanently lose the use of it if you survive?

Well, of course they were the Magic TV Bullets(TM), previously known as Magic Movie Bullets(TM).
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Originally Posted by lobosrul View Post

Which caused her to go to the ground without making a noise, not scream out in pain. Seems unlikely to me.

She did scream, and the Lawyer-Assassin turned around because he heard it, but then ignored it anyway.
post #1564 of 1773
Almost goes into shock and Miss Carrie doesn't miscarry? Will she be eating raw liver soon?
post #1565 of 1773
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post

Well, of course they were the Magic TV Bullets(TM), previously known as Magic Movie Bullets(TM).
She did scream, and the Lawyer-Assassin turned around because he heard it, but then ignored it anyway.

I thought he heard "something", maybe her falling. I don't recall a scream. I will definitely re-watch that scene.
post #1566 of 1773
There was definitely a scream/grunt.... Loud enough that our assassin was alerted.
post #1567 of 1773
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Originally Posted by KOA View Post

Almost goes into shock and Miss Carrie doesn't miscarry? Will she be eating raw liver soon?

Can you please explain what type of shock did she almost go into? She was CAOX3 and moving all extremities.The cussing at them is the key point. There was minimal blood loss to her shoulder arm area. I have seen women in their second and third trimester in traffic collisions and they are tough. In reality they would have taken her off the job for insubordination a long time ago. Not to mention the psych history.
post #1568 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Can you please explain what type of shock did she almost go into? She was CAOX3 and moving all extremities.The cussing at them is the key point. There was minimal blood loss to her shoulder arm area. I have seen women in their second and third trimester in traffic collisions and they are tough. In reality they would have taken her off the job for insubordination a long time ago. Not to mention the psych history.

So, you guys are discussing shock in a TV show like it relates to something real?

A pregnant CIA Agent gets shot on purpose with her knowledge before it happens?

Really? This Happens? Some idiot writes this stuff and you consider it and discuss it?

Really, I'm curious.
post #1569 of 1773
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

So, you guys are discussing shock in a TV show like it relates to something real?

A pregnant CIA Agent gets shot on purpose with her knowledge before it happens?

Really? This Happens? Some idiot writes this stuff and you consider it and discuss it?

Really, I'm curious.

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post #1570 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Can you please explain what type of shock did she almost go into? She was CAOX3 and moving all extremities.The cussing at them is the key point. There was minimal blood loss to her shoulder arm area. I have seen women in their second and third trimester in traffic collisions and they are tough. In reality they would have taken her off the job for insubordination a long time ago. Not to mention the psych history.

When the agent says the hospital is on the line, Quinn says to let them know the victim has a gunshot to upper bicep with significant bleeding and it's possible an artery was clipped. Since Quinn was there and you weren't I'll have to go with Quinn's assessment and not yours about minimal blood loss. Also there was Quinn telling Carrie to breathe, take deep breaths to try to calm down her hysteria. Does this mean she was going into shock? Don't know, but there is that possibility with any gunshot victim with significant blood loss. Not sure if you followed up on all your pregnant accident victims throughout the rest of their pregnancies to make sure there were no negative repercussions but if you did, good for you. I mean that in a good way.

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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

So, you guys are discussing shock in a TV show like it relates to something real?

A pregnant CIA Agent gets shot on purpose with her knowledge before it happens?

Really? This Happens? Some idiot writes this stuff and you consider it and discuss it?

Really, I'm curious.

You felt like this was something worth commenting on? Welcome to the discussion.wink.gif
post #1571 of 1773
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

So, you guys are discussing shock in a TV show like it relates to something real?

A pregnant CIA Agent gets shot on purpose with her knowledge before it happens?

Really? This Happens? Some idiot writes this stuff and you consider it and discuss it?

Really, I'm curious.
Almost as believable as them releasing the guy behind an attack on the CIA...Pretty outrageous no matter how Saul spins it. The next CIA Director was up in arms about this and is painted as a 'stereotypical' politician a***bag but let's face it; it's a fairly ludicrous concept.
post #1572 of 1773
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Originally Posted by mikeny View Post

Almost as believable as them releasing the guy behind an attack on the CIA...Pretty outrageous no matter how Saul spins it. The next CIA Director was up in arms about this and is painted as a 'stereotypical' politician a***bag but let's face it; it's a fairly ludicrous concept.

Yes, and so is the premise behind Carrie as a CIA agent. As anyone who has had a security clearance for a substantial amount of time should know, having a severe mental illness like bipolar disorder-II, especially once it becomes known to the government, is a disqualifying condition and will get your clearance revoked for good. You ain't getting it back, either, meds or no meds. The folks in charge of clearances don't care whether you think you have it under control or not. Diagnosed? No clearance for you.
post #1573 of 1773
Look at the potential scandals.

The case officer ****s the guy who was suspected of being a terrorist and went on to kill the VP.

The acting CIA director apprehends a very high up Iranian intelligence official, who is suspected of masterminding an attack on the CIA. Then he lets them go.


None of this would stand public scrutiny. Whoever is in charge of the CIA would lose his job and Congress would probably do the Church hearings again.

Hell this stuff would probably make people forget about Mossadeq and Allende when it came to scandalous CIA actions.
post #1574 of 1773
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Originally Posted by KOA View Post

When the agent says the hospital is on the line, Quinn says to let them know the victim has a gunshot to upper bicep with significant bleeding and it's possible an artery was clipped.

Okay lets get a few facts straight. We are watching a television drama written by people that either use assistants or do their own research (hopefully) on the proper techniques. Quinn would have nothing to do with advising a hospital on the patient's injuries. It is the job of the Paramedics in the Ambulance who just so happen to have direct contact with the hospsital which would then be alerted of needing a surgical team to standby. It's called base station contact and trauma center criteria!


Since Quinn was there and you weren't I'll have to go with Quinn's assessment and not yours about minimal blood loss.

During my time as Firefighter/Paramedic possibly 20- 30 shootings, some fatalities some not. See attached article. It was a Pasadena Fire Paramedic unit that was first onscene on this incident. Totally beyond what you saw on Homeland.

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-02-06/news/mn-10492_1_san-marino


If an 'artery was clipped, as I said before her LOC level of consciousness would start to decline due to insufficient blood flow to her brain. Since you are using Quinn as the highest medical authority onscene, if that is true where is the direct pressure on the artery? I'm sure most people remember that from basic and advanced first aid classes?


Also there was Quinn telling Carrie to breathe, take deep breaths to try to calm down her hysteria. Does this mean she was going into shock?

In simple terms,
Shock is defined basically as the failure of the cardiovascular system to provide adequate blood flow to the body"


She was upset like any other person who is anxious after being shot he is trying to calm her down. Carrie is usually level headed and never losses her patience or coll in a situation correct? wink.gif




Not sure if you followed up on all your pregnant accident victims throughout the rest of their pregnancies to make sure there were no negative repercussions but if you did, good for you. I mean that in a good way.

Just the serious ones that we were curious about. You have to remember you move on to the next call and not dwell on the previous. Why do you think we get PTSD?
Edited by Sharp1080 - 11/21/13 at 7:53pm
post #1575 of 1773
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Originally Posted by mikeny View Post

Almost as believable as them releasing the guy behind an attack on the CIA...Pretty outrageous no matter how Saul spins it. The next CIA Director was up in arms about this and is painted as a 'stereotypical' politician a***bag but let's face it; it's a fairly ludicrous concept.

Equally silly is a DCI being directly involved with an OPP.
post #1576 of 1773
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

- I knew that Saul's wife lover was fishy since the beginning, now confirmed
You need to state those things before it's revealed, it's more fun that way wink.gif
post #1577 of 1773
if you guys didn't like tonight's episode, perhaps this isn't the show for you. biggrin.gif
post #1578 of 1773
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Originally Posted by kittycarole View Post

if you guys didn't like tonight's episode, perhaps this isn't the show for you. biggrin.gif
++ Tonight's show was very compelling, not withstanding Carrie continuing to do reckless things that could blow operations up. The episode covered a lot of ground
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post #1579 of 1773
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kittycarole View Post

if you guys didn't like tonight's episode, perhaps this isn't the show for you. biggrin.gif

Agreed. Episode was fantastic!

Loved Brody's rehabilitation with the marines. Starting to exercise from the ground up is awesome. Memories tongue.gif

Dana is a b****. That scene was sad, she was so mean towards her dad.
post #1580 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

Agreed. Episode was fantastic!

Loved Brody's rehabilitation with the marines. Starting to exercise from the ground up is awesome. Memories tongue.gif

Dana is a b****. That scene was sad, she was so mean towards her dad.

Wasn't Dana shown to be in disbelief that Brody was the CIA bomber last season due to her final conversation with him? You'd think maybe his own family might be a bit more sympathetic given that he was tortured and brainwashed for EIGHT YEARS.

Anyways, that was mostly a terrifically good episode, can't wait to see it all plays out.
post #1581 of 1773
Dana also knows about the suicide vest, so its not just about the CIA bombing.
post #1582 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

Agreed. Episode was fantastic!

Loved Brody's rehabilitation with the marines. Starting to exercise from the ground up is awesome. Memories tongue.gif

Dana is a b****. That scene was sad, she was so mean towards her dad.

Those guys weren't Marines, they are a CIA tactical team, and may have been in real life at one time Delta team and or Seals.
I sure though 16 days was a quick recovery from where he started, its just TV. Yes sometimes people can have a hardness of hart
but if Brody makes it out, and the truth is know it may help with the trust issues.
post #1583 of 1773
Good episode, just watched it.. Another Carrie disobeys Saul moment. How many millions of viewers wanted Brody to slap his daughter? What a brat. Good surveillance of the Senator and Sauls wifes boyfriend. .
post #1584 of 1773
Dana reacted as most girls that age would react. Their minds are "small" as my buddy used to say. I'm sure some of you must have teen aged daughters? They go through a stage like that sometimes. Slapping her these days would land you in jail. If he had slapped her that would just drive her further away. Not a damn thing he could do but let her vent!
post #1585 of 1773
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Not a damn thing he could do but let her vent!

Should he not come back from his trip (that's a possibility*) she's gonna have all the time she needs to regret it.




*I certainly hope he does come back.
post #1586 of 1773
Brody must feel like Michael Corleone:

"Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in"
post #1587 of 1773
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Originally Posted by kittycarole View Post

if you guys didn't like tonight's episode, perhaps this isn't the show for you. biggrin.gif

That's my situation so I'm out.
post #1588 of 1773
As over the top as it often was, I loved this week's show. I thought the scene in which Saul confronted the senator with the evidence that the senator had used an Israeli intelligence officer to bug Saul's house was wonderful. I loved Saul's explanation that he didn't expose the senator because doing so would humiliate Saul's wife and harm the Agency. Very smart, very moving! I also loved the scene between Brody and Dana. I couldn't decide who I felt sorriest for. Although Brody had finally decided not to kill a room full of people with a suicide vest, he had earlier, either directly or indirectly, taken other innocent lives. Dana understands this at some level, I think, which is why she has decided to turn her back on her father, despite her love for him. All of that was operatically intense, a classic tragedy. Brody is doomed, I think, I just hope that Carrie doesn't go down with him.
post #1589 of 1773
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

That's my situation so I'm out.

wow. really, daryl? may i ask what it was that did it in for you?
post #1590 of 1773
Although I thought this week's episode was good, I have an issue with the fact that they told Brody about their high level asset that they had turned. It seems like such a big deal that the CIA was able to do that, why would they risk giving that information to Brody....who only a few weeks before was an unstable junkie? Who knows what situation he might be in and give up that information. And why did Brody even need to know about Javadi....his mission over there was related to his boss, not Javadi himself.

Yeah I know...I'm probably reading too much into it. smile.gif
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