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post #241 of 1211
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

I agree. It's been far too cleverly written so far to make everything suddenly fall so easily into place. And I like that.

Yep - The girl, landing zone, Walker could all be misdirection. Brody is still in play.

Carrie blew it when she mentioned the tea and left the house to recover. She gave Brody time
to compose a script and manipulate her.
post #242 of 1211
Thread Starter 
I like this gif.

(off topic, sort of)
post #243 of 1211
Well, looks like Brody is definitely involved to some degree.
post #244 of 1211
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

Well, looks like Brody is definitely involved to some degree.

Yeah. What a ending.

Awesome episode. Very emotional with everybody's relationships.
post #245 of 1211
Very interesting twist at the end there.

Too bad Tom's wife couldn't keep her mouth shut.
post #246 of 1211
Continues to be great. Loved the surprise ending and re-seeding the doubt. Just really well done stuff.
post #247 of 1211
You can begin to see now how they can keep all the characters strong for more than 1 season. Wish all TV was as good as this show.
post #248 of 1211
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

Well, looks like Brody is definitely involved to some degree.

It just affirmed for us that Brody is in the long game. They turned 2 POWs not just one it seems . Both had missions of high value targets. What gets me is the long stare at the capital. This almost echoed what we saw Brody do after a long run shortly after his return.
post #249 of 1211
But Brody wants to quit, but why and go tell them in person instead of not doing whatever he was going to do..

So Brody was the long game sleeper and public figure and Walker just a plain old assassin it seems..
post #250 of 1211
It's an interesting plot to consider having 2 possibly turned - one short term, active assassin type to attract all the attention; one long term who has been possibly cleared and may become the Manchurian Candidate after that party to expose him to future political position.
post #251 of 1211
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

It's an interesting plot to consider having 2 possibly turned - one short term, active assassin type to attract all the attention; one long term who has been possibly cleared and may become the Manchurian Candidate after that party to expose him to future political position.

Or one (Walker) a distraction while our very own Angela Lansbury handles Brody right into Congress.

Dick Johnson. Was that really his name?
post #252 of 1211
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Originally Posted by nlk10010 View Post

Or one (Walker) a distraction while our very own Angela Lansbury handles Brody right into Congress.

Yeah, it really now makes you wonder about whether Linda Purl's character is somehow Brody's future control doesn't it? If she takes out a deck of cards and asks Brody to play a little game of solitaire, look out
post #253 of 1211
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Great episode tonight.

They sure did lots of memories of Brody teaching Nasir's son. Sad what happened too.
post #254 of 1211
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

Great episode tonight.

They sure did lots of memories of Brody teaching Nasir's son. Sad what happened too.

There's a big hole in the logic there though. Nazir knew he was a prime target for an air strike, yet he surrounded himself with innocent kids and people. I have some trouble accepting that Brody bought into all that.

Great episode however.
post #255 of 1211
Do we really even know for sure that was Nazir's son? Could have all been an elaborate plot to use Brody's vulnerabilities, since torture hadn't worked.
post #256 of 1211
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Originally Posted by Pagali View Post

Do we really even know for sure that was Nazir's son? Could have all been an elaborate plot to use Brody's vulnerabilities, since torture hadn't worked.

Based on Nazir's genuine grief when he and Brody were draping the boy for burial, my guess is that it was indeed his son. I liked the way that they used Nazir's "confirming Brody's devotion" as a device to fill in a lot of the back story. Did you all catch Saul's suggestion about what to do if the Saudi diplomat didn't "cooperate"? His casual "elegantly lift and interrogate" was pretty chilling. Would the CIA go so far as to rendition a foreign diplomat?
As bats%$t crazy as Carrie is, her argument to the Iman about the consequences for his community if another attack occured was very compelling and quite poignent. The writing has been so crisp and with so many hooks that leave you wanting the show to go longer than it's episode length. We don't know what Brody's true mission is and I suspect that we won't until sometime during the second season.
post #257 of 1211
Considering their relationship, there's no way that a small boy would have kept the secret that he wasn't Nazir's son from Brody.

Maybe Brody doesn't really have a "mission" other than to be a plant in whatever capacity he winds up in.
post #258 of 1211
His mission is to be close to the future President of the United States. Maybe it is to be his VP.........
post #259 of 1211
Anyone recognize Billy Smith (Agent Hall) from "Brotherhood" (Moe)? Took me a while. Looks like he's dropped quite a few pounds. Hope it was intentional.
post #260 of 1211
That was Moe from Brotherhood?? I gotta go back and check his ear....
He must have dropped 40 lbs!! It is perfectly logical for Nazir to surround himself with children and the elderly. He knows it will give "his enemies" pause, or so he thought...
post #261 of 1211
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Originally Posted by Ray Lucca View Post

That was Moe from Brotherhood?? I gotta go back and check his ear....
He must have dropped 40 lbs!! It is perfectly logical for Nazir to surround himself with children and the elderly. He knows it will give "his enemies" pause, or so he thought...

And if a Smart Bomb happens to blow up the compound and kill women and children in the process, it makes for a wonderful internal and external propoganda tool. Look at how Nazir used the boy's death to get into Bordy's psyche even more. Let's face it, the cynical use of human tragedies is no stranger to terrorist organizations or those who try to checkmate them. The series is speaking to a level of honesty that is indeed rare on TV.
post #262 of 1211
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Originally Posted by Ray Lucca View Post

That was Moe from Brotherhood?? I gotta go back and check his ear....

Yes, it is he. Seems to have improved his lot in life, now he gets to kill people legally.

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Originally Posted by Cal1981 View Post

And if a Smart Bomb happens to blow up the compound and kill women and children in the process,

Not a smart bomb in this instance, but a drone strike. We should assume that the operator of the drone had a clear view of the village before firing.
post #263 of 1211
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

Anyone recognize Billy Smith (Agent Hall) from "Brotherhood" (Moe)? Took me a while. Looks like he's dropped quite a few pounds. Hope it was intentional.

Yes! He did look familiar but I couldn't place him.

I'm liking the way they're filling in the back story on Brody. And, they're keeping their options open.

larry
post #264 of 1211
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post


I'm liking the way they're filling in the back story on Brody. And, they're keeping their options open.

larry

Agree - looks like an easy transition to next season with Brody playing his way up and Carrie making the same mistakes.
post #265 of 1211
I've liked this show all along and love the way they have overcome what I feared was a built-in limitation on how far they could carry it. These are writers that know what they are doing - the exact opposite of the "lazy writing" referred to in other threads on shows like Terra Nova, etc. It proves you can take an apparently difficult situation and make it work, if the writers are up to the job. These folks most definitely are. The actors are terrific as well.
post #266 of 1211
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Considering their relationship, there's no way that a small boy would have kept the secret that he wasn't Nazir's son from Brody.

Maybe. How did Issa he know he was supposed to be Nazir's son? Perhaps Nazir told Brody in English before Issa could understand it, and if Brody never used the words "father" or "son" in Issa's presence later, there might not have been an issue.

Even if he were Nazir's son, I think it's plausible that a ruthless leader like Nazir would sacrifice his son for the cause, just so he could further bring Brody into his plot.

The scene after the bombing must have been very expensive - to set up that huge set w/ all the wreckage, smoke, and extras. It reminded me of something I'd see in a film, not a TV series.

One thing that was implausible to me was how the thugs kidnapped Brody. I understand that Nazir had to bring him in so he could renew Brody's conviction to the cause but they:
1) Attacked him in a public grocery store parking lot (it looked like the underground lot at Whole Foods on P St NW, BTW). In DC, it's not likely that a place like that would be empty;
2) Beat and kicked him, then smacked him with a tire iron. They could easily have killed him, yet he woke up later seemingly no worse for wear beyond a few grimaces;
3) Leaving him to return to his wife bruised and after being missing for a whole day. The "mugged" story was plausible, but who would believe why he didn't call? "I didn't want to worry you."

I feel like the writing was a bit sloppy there.
post #267 of 1211
dougette,

Do you have children? It's not that easy. It's strange that you would say that he would sacrifice his son. Last one I read that was willing to do that was a man named Abraham in some book called the Bible.IIRC most of the stories I recall about real terrorists the "sons" are right there as young adults with their fathers fighting along side. Unless they are blown up along with their fathers as they are not far away in a house as most families are. The way he kisssed him goodbye was indicative of a father losing a son.I really don't believe that he would kiss a stranger's child that had signed up for the cause.The real parents of the child would have been there for the shrouding and burial. Just my opinion.
post #268 of 1211
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post

Maybe. How did Issa he know he was supposed to be Nazir's son? Perhaps Nazir told Brody in English before Issa could understand it, and if Brody never used the words "father" or "son" in Issa's presence later, there might not have been an issue.

Even if he were Nazir's son, I think it's plausible that a ruthless leader like Nazir would sacrifice his son for the cause, just so he could further bring Brody into his plot.

The scene after the bombing must have been very expensive - to set up that huge set w/ all the wreckage, smoke, and extras. It reminded me of something I'd see in a film, not a TV series.

One thing that was implausible to me was how the thugs kidnapped Brody. I understand that Nazir had to bring him in so he could renew Brody's conviction to the cause but they:
1) Attacked him in a public grocery store parking lot (it looked like the underground lot at Whole Foods on P St NW, BTW). In DC, it's not likely that a place like that would be empty;
2) Beat and kicked him, then smacked him with a tire iron. They could easily have killed him, yet he woke up later seemingly no worse for wear beyond a few grimaces;
3) Leaving him to return to his wife bruised and after being missing for a whole day. The "mugged" story was plausible, but who would believe why he didn't call? "I didn't want to worry you."

I feel like the writing was a bit sloppy there.

Good point. I cringed when the thug used the tire iron. No way Brody isn't hurt badly from that whack. Looked like they hit his hand; no broken bones?
post #269 of 1211
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

dougette,

Do you have children? It's not that easy. It's strange that you would say that he would sacrifice his son. Last one I read that was willing to do that was a man named Abraham in some book called the Bible.IIRC most of the stories I recall about real terrorists the "sons" are right there as young adults with their fathers fighting along side. Unless they are blown up along with their fathers as they are not far away in a house as most families are. The way he kisssed him goodbye was indicative of a father losing a son.I really don't believe that he would kiss a stranger's child that had signed up for the cause.The real parents of the child would have been there for the shrouding and burial. Just my opinion.

1) Sorry, but that's a bit naive. Have you missed all the news over the past 10 years or so about families sending their kids to be human bombs?

2) Yes; I'm a father.

3) My username is dougotte, which is a mashup of my first and last names.

Doug
post #270 of 1211
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post

Have you missed all the news over the past 10 years or so about families sending their kids to be human bombs?

I'd hate to be the pilot of that bomb run. The return flight would be peaceful, but the flight to the drop zone in a plane packed full of kids would be a nightmare.
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